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Bitcoin owners find safe place for digital currency: on paper
CNBC ^ | 27 February 2014

Posted on 02/28/2014 7:10:00 AM PST by Errant

Some savvy bitcoin investors have a solution to cyberthieves and instability shaking online exchanges: They print out their virtual savings and hide them in the real world.

The shuttering this week of bitcoin exchange Mt.Gox and fears that hundreds of millions of dollars worth of the virtual currency have been lost or stolen are pushing investors to tighten their security.

Touted by advocates as a new, digital type of money that could one day replace real-world cash, bitcoins can also be stored like traditional currencies, locked up in a safe, or hidden in a shoe box.

Enthusiasts around the world use online exchanges to conveniently buy and sell bitcoins, but bitcoin savings can also be kept closer to home.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Computers/Internet; Society
KEYWORDS: bitcoin; bitcoinstatement; crypto; currency; safe
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1 posted on 02/28/2014 7:10:00 AM PST by Errant
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2 posted on 02/28/2014 7:10:32 AM PST by Errant (Surround yourself with intelligent and industrious people who help and support each other.)
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To: Errant
Bitcoins can even be “stored” within your memory. The lack of control terrifies financial authorities and law enforcement:

-No central authority or bank is required. Therefore they cannot control, inflate or skim the money supply.

-NOBODY has the power to seize your bitcoin and it can be anonymously retrieved by anyone in the world who has your key.

-Unlike banks, bitcoin cannot be touched without somehow extracting the key from your mind. Nobody will even know how much money you have.

3 posted on 02/28/2014 7:21:38 AM PST by varyouga
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To: Errant

“stored like traditional currencies, locked up in a safe, or hidden in a shoe box”

That should keep them from being stolen, eh?


4 posted on 02/28/2014 7:22:01 AM PST by I want the USA back (Media: completely irresponsible traitors. Complicit in the destruction of our country.)
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To: I want the USA back
That should keep them from being stolen, eh?

It will from 'hackers' any way... ;)

Posted so that others will know of this other option.

5 posted on 02/28/2014 7:24:38 AM PST by Errant (Surround yourself with intelligent and industrious people who help and support each other.)
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To: varyouga
-Unlike banks, bitcoin cannot be touched without somehow extracting the key from your mind


6 posted on 02/28/2014 7:27:06 AM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (If Barack Hussein Obama entertains a thought that he does not verbalize, is it still a lie?)
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To: varyouga
The lack of control terrifies financial authorities and law enforcement:

There will be much turmoil and gnashing of teeth, but if civilization remains, this new crytocurreny technology will be a part of it.

7 posted on 02/28/2014 7:27:45 AM PST by Errant (Surround yourself with intelligent and industrious people who help and support each other.)
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To: varyouga

In spite of those great points, it still appears the biggest con is the lack of security from hackers.

It’s not going to be widely adopted if it’s not secure. Especially if it goes poof in ways that the average joe cannot easily understand and take precautions against.


8 posted on 02/28/2014 7:32:59 AM PST by Valpal1 (If the police can t solve a problem with violence, they ll find a way to fix it with brute force)
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To: Errant

You give each Bitcoin its own password which you only know and keep elsewhere.

Yes, super secure. Even if they get the paper, they can’t get your Bitcoin.

AND, unlike dollar bills, you can have as many copies of your paper Bitcoin as you want.......


9 posted on 02/28/2014 7:34:20 AM PST by Arlis
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To: Arlis
You give each Bitcoin its own password which you only know and keep elsewhere.

That's an idea, or you could alter say the first 10 numbers of your hard copy by maybe 10 lower on the ACII table. Lots of ways to make it practically impossible to decipher.

10 posted on 02/28/2014 7:44:32 AM PST by Errant (Surround yourself with intelligent and industrious people who help and support each other.)
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To: Valpal1
In spite of those great points, it still appears the biggest con is the lack of security from hackers.

I agree that currently there is a basic level of tech expertise needed to protect the coins from hackers. The security is there, as this article points out, it just isn't refined enough for a non-tech person to implement easily.

In the Mt. Gox case, folks left their coins in accounts at the exchange itself. Gox's super slow and eventually frozen withdrawal policies prevented people from transferring their balances to their personal wallets (and to paper, thumbdrives, minds, etc). Basically, it was Mt. Gox's wallet that was hacked, not those of the individual owners.

Gox was a bank-robbery rather than a pick-pocket or home invasion.

When I use the exchanges, I leave balances in my account for the shortest time period possible. The quicker I can get my coins under my personal control, the better. As I was learning about this stuff, I specifically stayed away from Gox due to complaints about how slow their withdrawals were. It was a red flag for me then.
11 posted on 02/28/2014 7:46:56 AM PST by mmichaels1970
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To: FReepers

Donate!

12 posted on 02/28/2014 7:57:09 AM PST by DJ MacWoW (The Fed Gov is not one ring to rule them all)
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To: mmichaels1970
http://www.theverge.com/2013/12/19/5183356/how-to-steal-bitcoin-in-three-easy-steps
13 posted on 02/28/2014 8:01:45 AM PST by Cementjungle
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

I agree 100%. Even the most secure safe can be opened with the threat of violence.

But that’s still more secure and private than using banks who can seize 100% of your money instantly. With anonymous accounts, nobody can even know how many you have.

The fella that ran Silk Road likely has many more millions stashed away that the feds will never find.


14 posted on 02/28/2014 8:05:47 AM PST by varyouga
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To: varyouga
-Unlike banks, bitcoin cannot be touched without somehow extracting the key from your mind. Nobody will even know how much money you have.

Au contraire, my FRiend.

"Mt. Gox, once the world's biggest bitcoin exchange, filed for bankruptcy protection in Japan on Friday, saying it may have lost nearly half a billion dollars worth of the virtual coins due to hacking into its faulty computer system."

Mt. Gox files for bankruptcy, blames hackers for losses

15 posted on 02/28/2014 8:18:32 AM PST by UCANSEE2 (I just messed up my tagline. Sorry for the inconvenience.)
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To: Valpal1

“In spite of those great points, it still appears the biggest con is the lack of security from hackers.”

Of course. That will always be a danger with an anonymous untraceable currency.

The thefts will likely prevent these currencies from ever stabilizing, being used as storage and going mainstream.

I think they will be mainly be used for anonymous money transfers through overseas exchangers. Most governments will go after the exchangers but a few will continue to operate in some obscure nations and do very well.


16 posted on 02/28/2014 8:18:56 AM PST by varyouga
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To: Valpal1
Especially if it goes poof in ways that the average joe cannot easily understand and take precautions against.

Like this?

Mt. Gox files for bankruptcy, blames hackers for losses

17 posted on 02/28/2014 8:21:25 AM PST by UCANSEE2 (I just messed up my tagline. Sorry for the inconvenience.)
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To: UCANSEE2

That’s because people were using Mt Gox like a bank for convenience and allowing them to hold on to the keys. It defeats the entire purpose of cryptocurrency.

If your key is not stored online, nobody can hack it.


18 posted on 02/28/2014 8:22:19 AM PST by varyouga
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To: Cementjungle
http://www.theverge.com/2013/12/19/5183356/how-to-steal-bitcoin-in-three-easy-steps

Just read the article. Step 1 of the three "easy steps" entails hacking into an online service that stores multiple wallets. Or, work as an insider at the online company to get access to their databases.

Piece of cake! Probably could do it over lunch. /s
19 posted on 02/28/2014 9:08:11 AM PST by mmichaels1970
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To: UCANSEE2
Mt. Gox files for bankruptcy, blames hackers for losses

At leat Mt. Gox wasn't TOO big too FAIL!

Now at least, mistakes will be fixed and the community at large will benefit. Contrast what happened here with what we're all facing may happen: GLOBAL economic collapse...

In the long run, free markets rule. The week, incompetent, lazy, and corrupt meet demise while the strong and innovative survive and prosper.

20 posted on 02/28/2014 10:20:27 AM PST by Errant (Surround yourself with intelligent and industrious people who help and support each other.)
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