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America’s police more likely to Menace and Intimidate than Protect and Serve
Coach is Right ^ | 3/2/14 | Doug Book

Posted on 03/02/2014 8:26:06 AM PST by Oldpuppymax

“In the military mind set, the “drug war” has moved from metaphor to real life, with American streets as the “front,” American citizens as the “enemy” and law enforcement officers as the warriors.

At the direction of Congress, the Pentagon has spent the past 20 years providing military hardware free of charge to police departments throughout the nation, all for the stated purpose of fighting the War on Drugs. Billions of dollars worth of “surplus” military grade equipment has been transferred, literally enabling law enforcement in towns both large and small to serve warrants, control crowds and “keep the peace” with ordnance originally purposed for the annihilation of a foreign enemy. In the first three years of this federal collaboration between the Department of Defense and the Department of Justice (1994-1997) “…the Pentagon distributed 3,800 M-16s, 2,185 M-14s, 73 grenade launchers...

(Excerpt) Read more at coachisright.com ...


TOPICS: Conspiracy; Government; Politics; Society
KEYWORDS: confrontationwatch; donutwatch; feos; lawenforcement; leosoutofcontrol; militarizedpolice; pentagon; swatteams; warondrugs
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1 posted on 03/02/2014 8:26:06 AM PST by Oldpuppymax
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To: Oldpuppymax

Its been months since I saw a cop in my little town.


2 posted on 03/02/2014 8:31:01 AM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: Oldpuppymax

The toughest battle to win is when a nation wages war on itself and is encouraged to do so by a corrupt regime.

When the lead starts flying, loyalties dissolve, reality .. and chaos ensues.

Those who set the stage should be at the front.. instead they hide behind badges and warrants.. and boots.


3 posted on 03/02/2014 8:35:26 AM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi - Revolution is a'brewin!!!)
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To: cripplecreek

We went from a one city constable town to a full time police force.

Mostly they just hide and pounce on drivers to git their loot for city coffers since the city drove most of the down town business away.


4 posted on 03/02/2014 8:40:22 AM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Sometimes you need 7+ more ammo. LOTS MORE.)
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To: Oldpuppymax
Wake up America. Heavy armored vehicles with machine guns are not needed for civilian law enforcement.
5 posted on 03/02/2014 8:40:48 AM PST by Logical me
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To: Oldpuppymax
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BTdhVxva5KU

If it's true that "assault weapons" are "weapons of war" and don't belong on the streets of America, why do the police need them? Who are the police at war with?

Who indeed?

6 posted on 03/02/2014 8:41:28 AM PST by kiryandil (turning Americans into felons, one obnoxious drunk at a time (Zero Tolerance!!!))
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To: Logical me

Another platform plank that would get my vote. If someone would run for president saying they would take all the military weapons from the cops they’d get my vote. But I’ve never heard a politician or a talk show “mouth” who doesn’t suck up to cops.


7 posted on 03/02/2014 8:44:54 AM PST by VerySadAmerican (".....Barrack, and the horse Mohammed rode in on.")
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar

We used to have a 5 man force but there was no real point.

Unfortunately to remain a viable township we have to have police protection which meant contracting with the county and paying them for nothing.


8 posted on 03/02/2014 8:48:23 AM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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9 posted on 03/02/2014 8:50:24 AM PST by null and void (<--- unwilling cattle-car passenger on the bullet train to serfdom)
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To: cripplecreek

Thank God you are getting all the governance you are paying for!


10 posted on 03/02/2014 8:51:28 AM PST by null and void (<--- unwilling cattle-car passenger on the bullet train to serfdom)
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To: null and void

Can you please add me to the JBT ping list?


11 posted on 03/02/2014 8:51:29 AM PST by Kevmo ("A person's a person, no matter how small" ~Horton Hears a Who)
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To: Logical me

Most gun-rights advocates are quick to repudiate the “you don’t need that” argument...when it is directed at them.


12 posted on 03/02/2014 8:52:48 AM PST by HartleyMBaldwin
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To: Oldpuppymax

Ever since the so-called War On Drugs (WOD) and, now, the War On Terror (WOT) — actually more like the War On The Bill of Rights) — began, our civilian cops have been undergoing MILITARY training. The “authorities” gentle it down with the prefix “Para” but those “dynamic entry” teams would be more at home in Baghdad than Boston. (Well, unless they hit John Kerry’s front door at 3 am, Boston might not be a good example.) Watch “Dallas SWAT” for a dose of how it works.

I have long thought that that sort of activity within the ranks of otherwise “civilian” law enforcement was a push by those with an agenda to bypass posse comitatus for purposes BEYOND the WOD/WOT and other currently criminal behavior.

That the mass of that shrinking minority – the American citizen (thank you Mr. Open Borders Bush and Total Amnesty Obama) – has NOT objected to this erosion of personal liberty does NOT bode well for the future of freedom here.

I wonder what sort of body count of innocent grandmothers and others it will take before folks begin to grasp that they might be more at risk from the cops than the criminals and bring the situation back under control?

My Uncle Bob (R.I.P.) would be horrified.

My Uncle Bob was a 30-year veteran of a police force in suburban Cleveland. He was best man at my wedding in 1962. He served in an era when MOST cops embodied the now frequently hollow motto emblazoned on police units all over this country: “TO PROTECT AND SERVE.”
 
The last 10 years of his career were spent as the chief Juvenile Detective in his department. When he died, a number of the young men whose lives he had touched years before came forward to tell how his timely and sometimes tough-love intervention turned them around.
 
I know that many officers STILL try to live that creed today. I also know that there are officers out there who, despite the rulings by the Supremes that they have no obligation to specific, individual citizens (see Warren v. DC for some fascinating and frightening reading on that), would stand between one of us and a bullet – and have.
 
Having said that, I must also lament that SOME cops are “cowboys.” Too many are simply power driven megalomaniacs who would have dropped on the OTHER side of the law had their lives drifted a degree or two off the course they did take. It is these clowns who give credence to the wry bit of “humor” that there is no situation than cannot be made worse by the presence of the cops.
 
I believe this to be especially true of far too many federal law enforcement types who have allowed their egos and hubris to become as bloated as the bureaucratic federal behemoth they serve. (See footnote below).  Their mandate is no longer to “…protect and serve” the citizens who pay their salaries: It is to crush any meaningful resistance to a growing body of procedures, regulations and policies – too frequently enforced under severely tortured interpretations of the underlying legislative enactments (if any) – and often put in place by executive fiat. The massively abused SEIZURE statutes – laws the author of which now seeks to RESCIND! — spring to mind.
 
 
And one cannot but help to wonder how the clear to anyone with half a brain criminality of the Clintons and now Obama – and their subsequent avoidance of any penalty – has played into the problem? There now seems to be a bright line between the easy, highly flexible, slap-on-the-wrist law for the rich and powerful and the rigidly enforced law against even the tiniest victimless “crimes” committed by those of us further down the food chain. Does anyone in his right mind believe THAT will NOT engender added disrespect for ALL law?
 
Could those things be a large part of the problem in some of the highly disturbing – and DEADLY (on BOTH sides) – confrontations we have witnessed over the past decade or so? Gordon Kahl, Ruby Ridge, OK City, Waco, Beck… This list WILL lengthen and we’d all better pray that WE will be spared.
 
Roman historian Tacitus warned that one could tell the level of corruption in a society by the NUMBER of its laws. Anyone doubt the level of corruption here?
Am I the only one who thinks we’re long overdue a serious review of the NUMBERS of laws under which we are now forced to exist – and which are increasingly used not to assure our safety or well-being, but to COMMAND AND CONTROL us and KEEP US IN LINE.
 
Only the most tyrannical and power-crazed members of law enforcement could possibly object to that.
 
The modern counterparts of my uncle would not object.
 
It is THEY, after all, who are most likely to catch that bullet – probably fired by someone who has symbolically screamed to himself “I’M MAD AS HELL AND I’M NOT GONNA TAKE IT ANY MORE” — referred to earlier when they sally forth to serve that flimsy warrant or make that bogus arrest.
 
Dick Bachert (1999) Updated 12/2010
 
 FOOTNOTE:
At a cocktail party back in the late 80’s, I struck up a chat with a fellow — his name was Joe M. — whom I’d met on one or two previous events.  After my first encounter, Joe’s neighbor and my boss at the time told me that Joe was an alcoholic who had just retired from 25 years with the IRS.  Needless to say, I was guarded in expressing my political views to Joe as the IRS had helped my dad into an early grave in 1977 — at age 59 over an estate matter.   Joe was pretty deep into his cups at the function in question and began telling IRS “war stories.”  Most had to do with clear cases of criminal conduct by not very nice people.   Joe — who was a few years short of 60 — sounded to me like someone who enjoyed helping getting really bad people off the street and I asked why he’d retired early.  He told me that what he called “the service” had changed for the worse.  Then I asked him about the new people coming in.  He shook his head, actually teared up and said that many of them were “really bad.” I pressed.  “Really bad” meant incompetent?  “No — DANGEROUS,” he responded “they like to hurt people.” 
 
It was then that I think I understood why Joe drank.

Dick Bachert


13 posted on 03/02/2014 9:01:58 AM PST by Dick Bachert (Ignorance is NOT BLISS. It is the ROAD TO SERFDOM! We're on a ROAD TRIP!!)
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To: Oldpuppymax

Well I know what my agency uses an “armored personnel carrier” for...it gets parked in the front yard of a violent suspect while he is hiding inside so they can talk over the PA system to him without taking lead.

Pretty oppressive huh?

Grenade launchers..ahaha..that’s a joke. Any agency that got one of those it went to their Arson/Bomb squad as a training aid. Find one story where a city agency used flippin grenade launcher.


14 posted on 03/02/2014 9:02:31 AM PST by TheErnFormerlyKnownAsBig (I am the Tea Party bully who took Mitch McConnell's milk money.)
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To: Oldpuppymax

Obama’s Brown Shirts in reserve?


15 posted on 03/02/2014 9:12:31 AM PST by Don Corleone ("Oil the gun..eat the cannoli. Take it to the Mattress.")
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16 posted on 03/02/2014 9:16:48 AM PST by RedMDer (May we always be happy and may our enemies always know it. - Sarah Palin, 10-18-2010)
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To: Oldpuppymax

the only way the police of this country can redeem themselves is to disband the police unions.


17 posted on 03/02/2014 9:20:04 AM PST by raybbr (Obamacare needs a death panel.)
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To: Oldpuppymax
we don't even have a cop where i live... only the occasional Sheriff or Trooper cruising through and in the 14years i've live here, i've seen one, ONE Sheriff on my street/road

not saying there haven't been more, but none i've seen

guess it's part of the reason i live here

18 posted on 03/02/2014 9:20:06 AM PST by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -vvv- NO Pity for the LAZY - 86-44)
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To: Oldpuppymax

I grew upin a town on Lake Michigan. When we were teenagers we would go to a remote area of the beach build a little fire,make a pass at the girls...go swimmming. Maybe even drink a little beer and smoke weed. Good times really. Now the cops track down the kids with night vision goggles and arrest them.


19 posted on 03/02/2014 9:23:53 AM PST by Blackirish
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To: Dick Bachert
why does the name Henry Bowman come to mind???
20 posted on 03/02/2014 9:26:57 AM PST by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -vvv- NO Pity for the LAZY - 86-44)
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar

“Mostly they just hide and pounce on drivers to git their loot for city coffers since the city drove most of the down town business away.”

Don’t tell me, Progressives, right? Have they mentioned light rail as a plan to bring the downtown back? How about lots of Greenways and bike paths with art in the median?

Sorry, just ranting.


21 posted on 03/02/2014 9:30:49 AM PST by dljordan (WhoVoltaire: "To find out who rules over you, simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize.")
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To: Oldpuppymax

I’m sure there are good cops here and there.

But on the whole, the police force here in America only protects and serves - ITSELF and its governmental bosses.

Period.


22 posted on 03/02/2014 9:36:01 AM PST by joethedrummer
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To: VerySadAmerican
But I’ve never heard a politician or a talk show “mouth” who doesn’t suck up to cops.

Between the heavy armament and the SEIU union, police are morphing into the new Pretorian Guard, responsible to no one. In Ancient Rome, the Pretorians eventually accumulated enough power that they began to dictate who would be emperor and were complicit in the assassination of several emperors who earned their disfavor. Politicians are just showing their lizard-brain deference to those in power.

23 posted on 03/02/2014 9:44:24 AM PST by Flick Lives ("I can't believe it's not Fascism!")
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To: TheErnFormerlyKnownAsBig
Well I know what my agency uses an “armored personnel carrier” for...it gets parked in the front yard of a violent suspect while he is hiding inside so they can talk over the PA system to him without taking lead.
Pretty oppressive huh?

Like this?

24 posted on 03/02/2014 9:44:52 AM PST by Oatka (This is America. Assimilate or evaporate.)
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To: Blackirish

Yup. Live on Lake Michigan and the cops go after the teens here like crazy. Well, unless they play football or have the right last name.
Our former police chief actually was caught throwing a beer can out of his police vehicle. He did eventually get a littering charge.
No, absolutely no, respect for cops by me except the ones who actually help at accidents and that sort of thing. The ones here are out for revenue and donuts.


25 posted on 03/02/2014 9:50:22 AM PST by ozaukeemom (Is there even a republic left?)
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To: Chode

Because what’s currently going on in this now thoroughly screwed up country — especially Connecticut and New York — are heading straight into “Unintended Consequences” of massive and deadly proportions!

Then again, they may NOT be so unintended after all.


26 posted on 03/02/2014 9:50:47 AM PST by Dick Bachert (Ignorance is NOT BLISS. It is the ROAD TO SERFDOM! We're on a ROAD TRIP!!)
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To: Oatka

no....that’s a Humvee and poor tactics


27 posted on 03/02/2014 10:04:16 AM PST by TheErnFormerlyKnownAsBig (I am the Tea Party bully who took Mitch McConnell's milk money.)
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To: Logical me
Wake up America. Heavy armored vehicles with machine guns are not needed for civilian law enforcement.

No they are not, but I hope the police departments keep them well maintained, fueled, stocked with plenty of ammo, and ready to use.

We ourselves may very well need them in the upcoming days and since they are close at hand.................

28 posted on 03/02/2014 10:08:03 AM PST by Balding_Eagle (Over production, one of the top 5 worries for the American Farmer every year.)
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To: Oldpuppymax

They’re not Andy Taylor anymore.


29 posted on 03/02/2014 10:14:55 AM PST by bgill
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To: Oatka

..and by bad tactics I am meaning if you have a threat inside a house...police don’t use “covering fire” so posting up like that is not a necessarily smart...but that picture looks like the are moving through a neighborhood looking for a suspect on foot.

I’m not sure what the elements of that incident are....shooter running through a neighborhood or something I would guess.


30 posted on 03/02/2014 10:16:11 AM PST by TheErnFormerlyKnownAsBig (I am the Tea Party bully who took Mitch McConnell's milk money.)
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To: Oldpuppymax

America’s police more likely to Menace and Intimidate than Protect and Serve


I read the headline and it suddenly hit me - a theme I’d not really thought of.

You may have heard the phrase, “Liberals love the masses but hate people, while conservatives love people but hate the masses.” Well, the headline points to a police force that “protects and serves the masses” but heaven help the “people” that come in direct contact with them while doing their job.

i.e. a completely innocent person being harassed at a police checkpoint interfering with police “protecting” society at large, and even that protection is dubious.


31 posted on 03/02/2014 10:20:27 AM PST by cuban leaf
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To: Oldpuppymax

I know some FReepers watch the Walking Dead. One of the things that makes it “work” is a complete absence of government! Of course our heroes are decent people, but they have complete freedom (and responsibility) to do what they find best.


32 posted on 03/02/2014 10:24:43 AM PST by avenir (I'm pessimistic about man, but I'm optimistic about GOD!)
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To: Dick Bachert
the mutts in office would do well to at least have somebody read them the synopsis, or like you said, maybe it's NOT so unintended after all...
33 posted on 03/02/2014 10:26:21 AM PST by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -vvv- NO Pity for the LAZY - 86-44)
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To: TheErnFormerlyKnownAsBig

That’s a picture taken during the lock-down of Boston following the Boston marathon bombing.


34 posted on 03/02/2014 10:33:43 AM PST by AlmaKing
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To: Oldpuppymax

The ‘big’ question has gone from “Ginger or Maryann” to

“Will the US Military fire upon American citizens?”

I for one believe it is very possible they will.
At least back when I was in, the ‘target’ didn’t really matter. ‘They’ told us who the ‘bad guys’ were and, for the most part, the ‘bad guys’ were set upon.

Just to further it the Military is/are ‘well trained killers’, as is pointed out ‘the job is to kill people and break things.’

In the 30’s MacArthur had no problem dispersing the ‘Bonus Army’ and they were not only American citizens, they were Vets.

Even into the ‘50s ‘dungaree liberties’ were formed by bases to ‘show the townies’ what was what.


35 posted on 03/02/2014 10:35:24 AM PST by xrmusn (6/98 --In CNNs (feeble) mind, EVERYONE that doesnt ask for more Kool-Aid is bullying BO)
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To: TheErnFormerlyKnownAsBig

They were searching for the bomber in Boston. That pic has become a classic - I think it is stuff like that that are getting people ticked. Not the norm, but I fear it will be if it isn’t nipped in the bud.


36 posted on 03/02/2014 2:50:46 PM PST by Oatka (This is America. Assimilate or evaporate.)
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To: Oatka

Why are people mad about that.....the bombers were in full kiling mode...throwing homemade bombs....killing en masse....I dont get it....I know it was only two guys (then one) but they were literally waging a war in a neighborhood...is it so shocking that the people trying to catch the suspect were in a search mode like that picture shows?


37 posted on 03/02/2014 4:36:08 PM PST by TheErnFormerlyKnownAsBig (I am the Tea Party bully who took Mitch McConnell's milk money.)
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To: NormsRevenge

“Those who set the stage should be at the front.. instead they hide behind badges and warrants.. and boots.”

And government office doors, with armed guards.


38 posted on 03/02/2014 8:01:25 PM PST by Blue Collar Christian (Vote Democrat. Once you're OK with killing babies the rest is easy. <BCC><)
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To: TheErnFormerlyKnownAsBig
Why are people mad about that.....the bombers were in full kiling mode...throwing homemade bombs....killing en masse....I dont get it....I know it was only two guys (then one) but they were literally waging a war in a neighborhood...is it so shocking that the people trying to catch the suspect were in a search mode like that picture shows?

Wow.

Really? They were throwing bombs around? They were waging war in a neighborhood? Surely if they were doing that, there would be photographic evidence of same. The fact is, beyond the initial bombing, the only people waging war on anyone was the government itself.

39 posted on 03/03/2014 7:27:58 AM PST by zeugma (Is it evil of me to teach my bird to say "here kitty, kitty"?)
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To: TheErnFormerlyKnownAsBig
[SWAT member aiming at person taking photo in Boston bombing]

Why are people mad about that.....the bombers were in full kiling mode...throwing homemade bombs....killing en masse....I dont get it....I know it was only two guys (then one) but they were literally waging a war in a neighborhood...is it so shocking that the people trying to catch the suspect were in a search mode like that picture shows?

Sorry for delay - this fell between the cracks.

If it was just me, it could be written off as yet another paranoia attack, but this type of behavior reinforces the Them vs US scenario that so many in law enforcement seem to have today. The militarization of our police force, in a lot of peoples' minds, brings us that much closer to the Gestapo mindset. Actions like this reinforce that - and the fact that you see nothing wrong with it doesn't help.

40 posted on 03/15/2014 7:02:33 PM PDT by Oatka (This is America. Assimilate or evaporate.)
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To: Oatka

So if that is the wrong way for the police to search for a suspect in the marathon bombing....how would you say is the correct way?


41 posted on 03/16/2014 7:41:58 AM PDT by TheErnFormerlyKnownAsBig (I am the Tea Party bully who took Mitch McConnell's milk money.)
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To: TheErnFormerlyKnownAsBig

“Why are people mad about that”

Anyone, and I do mean ANYONE, who aims a weapon at me in that manner is going to die. Period.

“I don’t get it.”

You sure as hell don’t.


42 posted on 03/16/2014 7:54:06 AM PDT by Lurker (Violence is rarely the answer. But when it is it is the only answer.)
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To: Lurker

So I will as you too.....they were conducting a search for a marathon bombing suspect. Someone who had just completed a mass killing at the race, ambushed and killed an officer, possibly in possession of more bombs, had ran over his own brother while escaping.....what manner if search do you think is appropriate under those circumstances?


43 posted on 03/16/2014 8:19:28 AM PDT by TheErnFormerlyKnownAsBig (I am the Tea Party bully who took Mitch McConnell's milk money.)
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To: TheErnFormerlyKnownAsBig

Adherence to the US Constitution springs into my mind.


44 posted on 03/16/2014 10:08:11 AM PDT by Lurker (Violence is rarely the answer. But when it is it is the only answer.)
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To: Lurker

Can you describe to me what manner the police in that circumstance should have used to find the mass murder?

Dont get me wrong...I dont want to see tanks in the streets and snipers on the rooftops.

I am just trying to figure out, given those circumstances, how would someone prefer the police to find the suspect?


45 posted on 03/16/2014 10:28:53 AM PDT by TheErnFormerlyKnownAsBig (I am the Tea Party bully who took Mitch McConnell's milk money.)
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To: TheErnFormerlyKnownAsBig

I already answered that question. And I will repeat. Anyone, and I do mean ANYONE, pointing a weapon at my home in that manner is going to die.

Period. End of story.

So go tell your cop friends to pick a side.


46 posted on 03/16/2014 10:34:35 AM PDT by Lurker (Violence is rarely the answer. But when it is it is the only answer.)
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To: Lurker

I am being serious.

Given the action of the bombers and the circumstances as they were happening.....what type of search techniques should the police have employed?

I understand your point that you (and me) would not enjoy having the police rolling down are street pointing rifles at our houses...scanning the rooftops etc.

But it also obvious that what was shown in that picture is not what is commonplace in America....police do not drive around like that normally.

So my question still applies...


47 posted on 03/16/2014 10:52:18 AM PDT by TheErnFormerlyKnownAsBig (I am the Tea Party bully who took Mitch McConnell's milk money.)
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To: TheErnFormerlyKnownAsBig
So if that is the wrong way for the police to search for a suspect in the marathon bombing....how would you say is the correct way?

It sure as Hell wouldn't be by wannabe Gestapo pointing guns at people in windows. He aimed long enough for someone to take a picture. This was a bombing, not a sniper attack, yet when all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail.

The militarization of our police is the main culprit here. take a look at what the "police" look like today.


IMHO, this militarization of the police is an end-run on Posse Comitatus.

I can't understand why anyone would find it acceptable for the police to dress up exactly like the military. The cop in the original picture could easily pass for a combat infantryman.

A free society should not tolerate such an obvious attempt to intimidate the public, and that surely is what that "cop" is doing. Waaay outside the norm.

48 posted on 03/23/2014 4:10:57 PM PDT by Oatka (This is America. Assimilate or evaporate.)
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To: Oatka

Police do not patrol neighborhoods like that....those are special circumstances such as high risk search warrants......


49 posted on 03/23/2014 6:13:16 PM PDT by TheErnFormerlyKnownAsBig (I am the Tea Party bully who took Mitch McConnell's milk money.)
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To: TheErnFormerlyKnownAsBig
those are special circumstances such as high risk search warrants......

For the life of me, I cannot envision ANY event where police have to look like infantry. Riots? Civil Unrest? Call out the National Guard.

One problem (of many) with this militarization of the oilce is like what's happened with SWAT Teams. "When all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail." Hence we have thme kicking in doors for white collar crimes, or worse yet, shooting dogs and people when attacking the wrong house.

50 posted on 03/29/2014 1:04:13 PM PDT by Oatka (This is America. Assimilate or evaporate.)
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