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In Order to Control Gas Pipelines to Europe, Putin Needs to Conquer ALL of Ukraine
Reaganite Republican ^ | 03 March 2014 | Reaganite Republican

Posted on 03/03/2014 10:16:08 AM PST by Reaganite Republican

Otherwise, rump Ukraine will simply shut the taps...
 
 
 
 
h/t FReeper Meatloaf


TOPICS: Government; History; Military/Veterans; Politics
KEYWORDS: gas; pipelines; russia; ukraine; viktoryanukovich; yuliatymoshenko

1 posted on 03/03/2014 10:16:09 AM PST by Reaganite Republican
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To: AdvisorB; ken5050; sten; paythefiddler; gattaca; bayliving; SeminoleCounty; chesley; Vendome; ...

-ping-


2 posted on 03/03/2014 10:16:40 AM PST by Reaganite Republican
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To: Reaganite Republican

Not true. Russia has recently built South Stream and North Stream pipelines, which can carry gas without transiting Urkaine.

Putin realized Ukraine will be unstable, and acted accordingly.

Russia can strangle Ukraine economically if it wants to, but it doesn’t want to, and it would hurt Russia, too.


3 posted on 03/03/2014 10:18:01 AM PST by LowTaxesEqualsProsperity
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To: Reaganite Republican

In hindsight it looks like NBC had it just right in its pre-Olympic hymn to Russia.

Listen closely to the voice-over and think how closely it fits today’s events.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rWBXonEeGnM


4 posted on 03/03/2014 10:18:52 AM PST by plangent
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To: Reaganite Republican

All the gas ORIGINATES in Russia. Why do they need to control Ukraine? They cna just shut down the pipelines at the border with Ukraine.


5 posted on 03/03/2014 10:22:53 AM PST by Cowboy Bob (They are called "Liberals" because the word "parasite" was already taken.)
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To: LowTaxesEqualsProsperity

Putin can control the pipelines in Western Ukraine by cutting off gas to Western Europe every time it gets really cold. He doesn’t need to occupy them to control the pipelines.


6 posted on 03/03/2014 10:24:22 AM PST by jimbo123
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To: Reaganite Republican

Putin does not wish to control all of the Ukraine. He just wants control of Crimea so he can control the development of new pipelines to Europe that link existing pipelines to new pipelines from recently discovered gas and oil plays in the Israel, Turkey , Cyprus and the Middle East.


7 posted on 03/03/2014 10:24:54 AM PST by rdcbn
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To: Cowboy Bob

How are they going to market their product to Europe then... LPG terminals/tankers?

Better start building ships...


8 posted on 03/03/2014 10:25:32 AM PST by Reaganite Republican
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To: Reaganite Republican

Russia is also the source of Ukraine’s gas. And the pipelines are the source of Ukraine’s income. So shutting them hurts Ukraine more than Russia.

Actually, Russia has in the past shut off the gas to Ukraine because of debt and because some of the gas transmitted to Europe disappears on its way through Ukraine. As a consequence Russia has been building pipelines that bypass Ukraine just to give it some alternatives.


9 posted on 03/03/2014 10:25:57 AM PST by marron
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To: LowTaxesEqualsProsperity

I was in the Czech Republic five years ago when they where scrapping and the gas flow fell to zero... all came though Ukraine via Slovakia and then on to Prague


10 posted on 03/03/2014 10:26:48 AM PST by Reaganite Republican
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Ping, he will not stop, he will keep going to secure his only big source of hard currency.


11 posted on 03/03/2014 10:27:40 AM PST by crosslink (Moderates should play in the middle of a busy street)
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12 posted on 03/03/2014 10:28:44 AM PST by DJ MacWoW (The Fed Gov is not one ring to rule them all)
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To: LowTaxesEqualsProsperity
Russia could even be MORE of a petroleum superpower once the eastern Siberia and Sakhalin oil and natural reserves really open up in the next 20 years. No wonder why Russia may try to cut a deal with Norway over shipping natural gas to the rest of Europe and may even cut a deal with Japan on returning the westernmost four of the Kuril Islands in return for guaranteed Japanese buy of Russian natural gas and oil.
13 posted on 03/03/2014 10:34:25 AM PST by RayChuang88 (FairTax: America's economic cure)
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To: Reaganite Republican

North Stream and South Stream pipelines. Outside Ukraine.


14 posted on 03/03/2014 10:36:01 AM PST by LowTaxesEqualsProsperity
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To: Reaganite Republican

Just for the sake of insurance Putin needs to up the financing of the anti-fracking litigators in Britain, Germany and France


15 posted on 03/03/2014 10:36:24 AM PST by fella ("As it was before Noah so shall it be again,")
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To: Reaganite Republican

The Russians may stop putting gas INTO the pipelines on their end, thus forcing Europe into ignominious CAPITULATION.


16 posted on 03/03/2014 10:36:36 AM PST by 2harddrive
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To: crosslink; caww

Nick Robinson BBC tweets:
BREAKING Government will not curb trade with Russia or close London’s financial centre to Russians an official document reveals

https://twitter.com/bbcnickrobinson/status/440548106224939008


17 posted on 03/03/2014 10:39:42 AM PST by maggief
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To: GeronL; KC_Lion; thackney

Ping.


18 posted on 03/03/2014 10:43:49 AM PST by Army Air Corps (Four Fried Chickens and a Coke)
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To: LowTaxesEqualsProsperity

South Stream hasn’t been completed. Gazprom is estimating the pipeline will be completed in late 2015. The main part in the depths of the Black Sea remain to be finished. I wouldn’t be surprised if the completion date isn’t a bit optimistic.

http://www.gazprom.com/about/production/projects/pipelines/south-stream/


19 posted on 03/03/2014 10:43:55 AM PST by meatloaf (Impeach Obama. That's my New Year's resolution.)
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To: maggief

Veeeery interesting.


20 posted on 03/03/2014 10:44:31 AM PST by Army Air Corps (Four Fried Chickens and a Coke)
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To: maggief

This confirms that France,Italy and German got the phone call from Vlad. Transcript by me not real

Hello this is Vlad, Cold in your country? Gas may be shut off if market is closed. I have to go Bambi is on hold.


21 posted on 03/03/2014 10:45:05 AM PST by crosslink (Moderates should play in the middle of a busy street)
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To: marron

Ukraine can shut down the gas in the far west and still maintain flow for use inside the country. Check the map.


22 posted on 03/03/2014 10:45:15 AM PST by meatloaf (Impeach Obama. That's my New Year's resolution.)
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To: jimbo123

The problem with that is the financial repercussions. Russia’s oil and gas exports provide the income for 50% of its budget. How long can Russia cut off its nose to spite its face?


23 posted on 03/03/2014 10:48:25 AM PST by meatloaf (Impeach Obama. That's my New Year's resolution.)
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To: Reaganite Republican

Putin has a lot of options. Shame we don’t.....


24 posted on 03/03/2014 10:48:45 AM PST by varmintman
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To: LowTaxesEqualsProsperity

Even after completion, together they will have far less capacity to move the product.

They are not building them to replace Ukraine pipelines, but to supplement them with more product.


25 posted on 03/03/2014 10:48:46 AM PST by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: Reaganite Republican

I think Europe is more interested in buying the gas than Russia need to sell it. China may also prove to be an alternative market for Russia’s gas.


26 posted on 03/03/2014 10:49:52 AM PST by Cowboy Bob (They are called "Liberals" because the word "parasite" was already taken.)
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To: Reaganite Republican
Otherwise, rump Ukraine will simply shut the taps...

And freeze solid? Not likely.

Putin is way ahead, Russia has built additional pipelines, and has full control of all of 'em.

What Putin doesn't want is pipelines built for Saudi group suppliers through Syria and Turkey, and it is unlikely they will be built.

Russia could care less about Western Ukraine.

27 posted on 03/03/2014 10:52:45 AM PST by Navy Patriot (Join the Democrats, it's not Fascism when WE do it, and the Constitution and law mean what WE say.)
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To: Army Air Corps

More here:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3129063/posts

(BBC) Ukraine: UK rules out Russia trade curbs?


28 posted on 03/03/2014 10:53:03 AM PST by maggief
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To: Reaganite Republican

Correct me if I’m wrong, but didn’t Obammy’s State Department, interject ‘F the EU’ recently concerning the Ukrainian Crisis, they are definitely on top of this.

As a FREEPER said recently, nothing is so bad that his highness cannot screw it up worst.


29 posted on 03/03/2014 11:33:31 AM PST by corbe (mystified)
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To: meatloaf
Ukraine can shut down the gas in the far west and still maintain flow for use inside the country. Check the map.

The source of the gas is still Russia. Russia has shut off Ukraine in the past for unpaid bills and for embezzlement of the gas, which had the side-effect of shutting off Europe as well.

Ukraine has had talks with Azerbaijan and Kazakhstan about a pipeline under the Black Sea to bypass Russia which would give them a non-Russian source of oil and gas. It would have come ashore in Crimea, though, if I'm not mistaken.

I don't think it ever got off dead-center, though. They did build a pipeline out through Turkey, though.

30 posted on 03/03/2014 11:33:47 AM PST by marron
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To: Reaganite Republican

My remarks don’t take away anything from your original point, which is that Russia might ultimately reoccupy Ukraine, or at least the western Russian portion.

I remember Mrs Gorbachev making the remark, when Ukraine became independent, that “we just can’t conceive of them as foreigners” or something to that effect.

Ukraine is going to be put to the test. What are they willing to pay for their independence. How badly do they want it.


31 posted on 03/03/2014 11:43:26 AM PST by marron
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To: Reaganite Republican

Couldnt they just turn off the gas that flows into Ukraine? You know, in Russia?


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