Skip to comments.In Order to Control Gas Pipelines to Europe, Putin Needs to Conquer ALL of Ukraine
Posted on 03/03/2014 10:16:08 AM PST by Reaganite Republican
Not true. Russia has recently built South Stream and North Stream pipelines, which can carry gas without transiting Urkaine.
Putin realized Ukraine will be unstable, and acted accordingly.
Russia can strangle Ukraine economically if it wants to, but it doesn’t want to, and it would hurt Russia, too.
In hindsight it looks like NBC had it just right in its pre-Olympic hymn to Russia.
Listen closely to the voice-over and think how closely it fits today’s events.
All the gas ORIGINATES in Russia. Why do they need to control Ukraine? They cna just shut down the pipelines at the border with Ukraine.
Putin can control the pipelines in Western Ukraine by cutting off gas to Western Europe every time it gets really cold. He doesn’t need to occupy them to control the pipelines.
Putin does not wish to control all of the Ukraine. He just wants control of Crimea so he can control the development of new pipelines to Europe that link existing pipelines to new pipelines from recently discovered gas and oil plays in the Israel, Turkey , Cyprus and the Middle East.
How are they going to market their product to Europe then... LPG terminals/tankers?
Better start building ships...
Russia is also the source of Ukraine’s gas. And the pipelines are the source of Ukraine’s income. So shutting them hurts Ukraine more than Russia.
Actually, Russia has in the past shut off the gas to Ukraine because of debt and because some of the gas transmitted to Europe disappears on its way through Ukraine. As a consequence Russia has been building pipelines that bypass Ukraine just to give it some alternatives.
I was in the Czech Republic five years ago when they where scrapping and the gas flow fell to zero... all came though Ukraine via Slovakia and then on to Prague
Ping, he will not stop, he will keep going to secure his only big source of hard currency.
North Stream and South Stream pipelines. Outside Ukraine.
Just for the sake of insurance Putin needs to up the financing of the anti-fracking litigators in Britain, Germany and France
The Russians may stop putting gas INTO the pipelines on their end, thus forcing Europe into ignominious CAPITULATION.
Nick Robinson BBC tweets:
BREAKING Government will not curb trade with Russia or close London’s financial centre to Russians an official document reveals
South Stream hasn’t been completed. Gazprom is estimating the pipeline will be completed in late 2015. The main part in the depths of the Black Sea remain to be finished. I wouldn’t be surprised if the completion date isn’t a bit optimistic.
This confirms that France,Italy and German got the phone call from Vlad. Transcript by me not real
Hello this is Vlad, Cold in your country? Gas may be shut off if market is closed. I have to go Bambi is on hold.
Ukraine can shut down the gas in the far west and still maintain flow for use inside the country. Check the map.
The problem with that is the financial repercussions. Russia’s oil and gas exports provide the income for 50% of its budget. How long can Russia cut off its nose to spite its face?
Putin has a lot of options. Shame we don’t.....
Even after completion, together they will have far less capacity to move the product.
They are not building them to replace Ukraine pipelines, but to supplement them with more product.
I think Europe is more interested in buying the gas than Russia need to sell it. China may also prove to be an alternative market for Russia’s gas.
And freeze solid? Not likely.
Putin is way ahead, Russia has built additional pipelines, and has full control of all of 'em.
What Putin doesn't want is pipelines built for Saudi group suppliers through Syria and Turkey, and it is unlikely they will be built.
Russia could care less about Western Ukraine.
(BBC) Ukraine: UK rules out Russia trade curbs?
Correct me if I’m wrong, but didn’t Obammy’s State Department, interject ‘F the EU’ recently concerning the Ukrainian Crisis, they are definitely on top of this.
As a FREEPER said recently, nothing is so bad that his highness cannot screw it up worst.
The source of the gas is still Russia. Russia has shut off Ukraine in the past for unpaid bills and for embezzlement of the gas, which had the side-effect of shutting off Europe as well.
Ukraine has had talks with Azerbaijan and Kazakhstan about a pipeline under the Black Sea to bypass Russia which would give them a non-Russian source of oil and gas. It would have come ashore in Crimea, though, if I'm not mistaken.
I don't think it ever got off dead-center, though. They did build a pipeline out through Turkey, though.
My remarks don’t take away anything from your original point, which is that Russia might ultimately reoccupy Ukraine, or at least the western Russian portion.
I remember Mrs Gorbachev making the remark, when Ukraine became independent, that “we just can’t conceive of them as foreigners” or something to that effect.
Ukraine is going to be put to the test. What are they willing to pay for their independence. How badly do they want it.
Couldnt they just turn off the gas that flows into Ukraine? You know, in Russia?
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