Posted on 03/06/2014 4:14:16 AM PST by servo1969
There are also more than a few concealed carry civilians who put an NY1 or NY2 trigger spring in their carry Glocks. (I, fortunately, am not one.)
"People on the Internet say" NY1 in combination with the lighter 3lb connector is the bees knees. I tried it, did not like it. That's not unusual, I find, for gun advice derived from the Internet. I swapped the old parts back in right there at the range. I keep the NY1 as a spare part.
In my experience, you are probably using the joint of your finger rather than the pad of your finger to pull the trigger back. I suggest using the pad of your finger and concentrating on pulling straight back.
Relax and use your whole hand when tension is applied, not just the end of your finger by pulling your finger in and to the left. You are also probably on the joint of your finger instead of the end of the pad.
That tends to back up FXRP’s comment, BTW.
Even worse to marksmanship is the worthless DAO pistol action dreamed up by some desk bound political hack lawyer to keep the city from being sued. The DAO, as found, has a very heavy trigger pull (12 pounds on average) and this is NOT conducive to accuracy by the average cop. If you would compare the same cop shooting a 3.5-4 pound trigger pull Glock with a 12 pound NYC trigger pull Glock, most times you'd see a dramatic improvement in hits on the target at the range by the Glock with the lighter trigger pull.
[I know this from personal experience. I once had an Argentine-built FN 9mm HP that had an 18 pound trigger pull. It was so bad that I thought the safety was engaged when I attempted to fire it. The safety was not engaged! Accuracy was non-existent.]
The ideal trigger pull for a sidearm is 3.5 to 4.5 pounds. The heavy DAO trigger pull or heavier spring to boost the trigger pull on striker fired pistols like the Glock results in poor marksmanship and shots going wild. Cops are supposed to know where those rounds they fired went to avoid the shooting of innocent bystanders. With these heavy trigger pull pistols they are forced to carry, I'll bet 9 of 10 cops have no idea where their shots went — certainly not on the intended target.
Heaven forbid we approach a training problem with better training. This is a similar route for any solution the liberal mindset presents, like; make guns illegal for all but cops and robbers so there will be no firearms accidents.
If a cop hasn’t the pride in workmanship to handle the tools of his trade expertly, firearms in this case, he should not be in the profession. It’s how I run a motorcycle repair shop.
“Hey, since we’re on the subject… can anyone tell me how to keep from pushing the muzzle slightly to the left when pulling the trigger?”
Get someone who shoots well to teach you, even if you have to pay for it, then practice. It may be the way you hold the weapon, or the part of your finger you use on the trigger. An expert observing you and then correcting you is the best way to fix this.
We always called it “The Wheel of Misfortune.”
I’ve tried transitioning to that part of the finger.. but it didn’t help as much as I had hoped.
Interesting Idea… I may be tending to just work the one finger.
“Lots of cops have a mindset that says they won’t practice unless the city or PD provides the ammo free. Therefore, no free ammo equals no practice.”
That’s a pathetic attitude for a professional to take.
Those that shoot very well will tell anyone who wants to improve; “dry fire everyday”. A laser pointer on your pistol will show you that you are jerking off target.
Of course, one has to WANT to improve, for starters.
It might be a case where I just have to break down and do that – get someone to watch how I’m doing that and correct my ‘issues’.
One other question: Is it ‘kosher’ to use adjustable sights to compensate for this?
I know that doesn’t help with fixed sights, and it feels little like ‘cheating’ or just covering up the issue, but at least I’m getting more “on target” as it were.
12 lbs seems a little heavy to me. That’s 1 1/2 gallons of water.
“One other question: Is it ‘kosher’ to use adjustable sights to compensate for this?”
I can only speak for myself when I say get expert coaching so you will learn what it takes to have excellent trigger control, THEN do any sight adjustments to assure you hit where you aim. It may very well be you already shoot well and your sights are off for all I can tell from here.
My pals and I are all about putting a dummy round in whatever handgun we are shooting (you load your buddy’s gun, he loads yours) so as to come upon an opportunity to dry fire without knowing we are dry firing. Now THAT will catch a flinch, and provide for some material to chide each other over to boot!
Think of the dogs that would be saved if every LEO firearm had a 100 lb pull. Maybe we should get PETA on the case!
Exactly the level of stupid you can count on from NYC.
I’m late to this thread. But here is a testiment to good training with any weapon.
My primary CCW weapon is a Taurus .357 snubby. It’s hammerless DAO. The trigger pull is an enigma for most that shoot it for the first time, especially loaded with .357 (vs .38). It’s a long, fairly heavy and not-smooth trigger pull that rotates the chamber. It’s no fun to shoot, really. But I do try and train with it regularly. I didn’t realize how proficient I was with it until I was shooting with a friend and they complained about knowing where the “break” was in the pull. I thought about it for a second. Then I picked up the gun, aimed at target and was able to immediately pull the trigger until just before the break and hold it there. I stopped the trigger pull and was able to hold it perfect right before bang-time. The chamber was rotated in place. I didn’t realize that I was able to do this and only then realized that my muscles were almost programmed to know how to shoot it. You only get that from practice.
The gun is very reliable, easy to maintain, rugged, etc. For self defense and constant carry, its perfect for me. After I realized just how bad the trigger was, I thought about replacing it. I’ve had it for almost a decade. But it occurred to me that I had become proficient with this weapon and it didn’t make sense to change now.
All that said, 12 lb trigger pull would be a beast, especially if it’s a short pull. At least my long trigger pull has “a spot” where it breaks with a visual cue being the revolving chamber.
i have a flicnh problem i need to work on. trigger pull seems fine. i read using the first joint but my instructor showed me why to use the pas. with the joing ther is a tendency to pull the gin to the left. i practice dry fire with a coin on top of the slide. from the article “older S&W?” i have a model 659 that predates the one in the article. not very concealable but heavy enough for a shooting w/o significant recoil assuming you have a big hand. i will be getting a smaller CCW once i get enough practice, dry fire, live fire, and psychological
I do the same. It's extremely helpful. It helps a bit to have someone else load your magazine.
I've also seen rather dramatic results from taking a pellet pistol with me. Fire about 20 rounds through it, and then fire your handgun. Last time I did that, the difference was really dramatic.
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