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NYPD: A Dangerous Philosophy [Mandatory 12-pound triggers]
bearingarms.com ^ | 3-4-2014 | Mike McDaniel

Posted on 03/06/2014 4:14:16 AM PST by servo1969

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To: servo1969

” This renders the Glock, which has a
standard 5.5 pound trigger with a
relatively short trigger pull, far more
difficult to shoot with any degree of
accuracy.”

There is more to the issue than that. Light trigger single action weapons cause “mad minute” shooting sprees. Somewhere along the kine, cops trained themselves to empty the weapon. That will always have poor accuracy.
Cops need to learn to control their fire.


41 posted on 03/06/2014 9:17:46 AM PST by LevinFan
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To: Blue Collar Christian

Yeah, I kind of guessed that before I asked the question.


42 posted on 03/06/2014 9:26:35 AM PST by HammerT (The COMMONSENSE CIVIL RIGHT OF ARMED SELF-DEFENSE [CASD], its the law of the land.)
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To: zeugma

That’s a good idea – I’ve seen the suggestion that you also can use your spent brass as a dummy round.

This is for situations like at a range when you don’t want your expensive dummy rounds to be ejected forward of the firing line.


43 posted on 03/06/2014 9:29:47 AM PST by HammerT (The COMMONSENSE CIVIL RIGHT OF ARMED SELF-DEFENSE [CASD], its the law of the land.)
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To: Vaquero
Vaquero said: "... the trigger was REAL LIGHT ..."

A friend of mine let me fire his .22 target pistol. I absolutely hated the light trigger. It didn't feel safe to have your finger inside the trigger guard. I would never own such a gun.

44 posted on 03/06/2014 10:44:23 AM PST by William Tell
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To: William Tell

I have checked out trigger jobs done by pistol smiths. They say well tuned triggers break like glass. The ones this local smith had didn’t break at all to my feel. I touched the trigger could feel the hammer fall but could not feel the trigger as there was a trigger stop which stopped all trigger movement at the point it broke. My SAA is extremely light but at least one gets a little feedback from the trigger. People tell me I am wrong and that is the proper action for a supperior target gun. Sorry but not for me.

I have two rifles with set triggers. There is a second trigger device which sets the main trigger to be a hair trigger. As you don’t set the trigger till you are on target it is not a safety issue, but boy it is extremely light.


45 posted on 03/06/2014 11:18:52 AM PST by Vaquero (Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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To: Vaquero
Vaquero said: "They say well tuned triggers break like glass."

I have never owned anything with a trigger that would qualify. But much can be said for having proper technique.

One very convincing demonstration at a class I took was having the student take his stance and bring the sights on target. The instructor would then place his own trigger finger over the trigger finger of the student. Then the instructor would supply the pressure to fire the gun while the student held on target.

The result was startling, especially for the unskilled students. The rounds were within the small black square at the center of the target. The instructors were pretty good.

I was firing a standard Glock .45 and was impressed with how accurate the gun was when operated properly.

46 posted on 03/06/2014 12:49:22 PM PST by William Tell
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To: HammerT

If you want to get smooth with a DA revolver, use an old trick of exhibition shooter Ed McGivern from the 1930’s (he shot 5 shots from a .38 Smith in 9/20th’s of a second into a playing card sized group). Put a dot of paint on a full length mirror, and put the muzzle on it. Dry fire repeatedly, trying to keep the muzzle on the dot. You can see what your trigger pull is doing to the aim. Get smoother and quicker over time. That trains the muscles.


47 posted on 03/06/2014 1:00:06 PM PST by Tijeras_Slim
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To: HammerT

check that your forearm is mostly aligned with the barrel as you grip the pistol. And, as others have mentioned the fishy part of your finger should contact the trigger, not the tip, or first joint. and also, as mentioned by others, practice dry firing, but put the live ammo in another room, use snap caps and yes, a mirror does help. Above all, be safe


48 posted on 03/06/2014 1:45:09 PM PST by woollyone ("The heart is deceptive above all things and beyond cure...who can understand it?")
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To: woollyone

ha ha....no...not the fishy part of your finger (stoopid phone word predict!)...the FLESHY part.

...and if that part of your finger is fishy, well wash your darn hands! that’s just plain nasty!


49 posted on 03/06/2014 1:48:41 PM PST by woollyone ("The heart is deceptive above all things and beyond cure...who can understand it?")
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To: William Tell

You speak of DAO an DA. I own single action semi autos 3 single action revolvers and 2 double action revolvers I pretty much only shoot single action. I only have shot handgun competition for Cowboy Action. All single action and the trigger goes snick. I have practiced shooting my revolvers double action. Generally don’t like it but I am passable at it.


50 posted on 03/06/2014 2:41:04 PM PST by Vaquero (Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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To: Tenacious 1

I shoot all kinds of stuff, but for carry, I have my two favorites. I’m loving my new Springfield XDs .45! And I still carry my old Charter Arms Target Bulldog .357mag that I chopped the barrel as short as I could and still have the barrel shroud over the ejector rod, and minimized the grips to about Uncle Mike’s boot grips. Both are really small, especially for my size, 6’3”, 225lbs. Neither are target pistols by any stretch, but with as much as I shoot them, they hit nice short range groups, even with their less than ideal triggers.

I shoot all my double action revolvers in double action all the time except my Redhawk hunter which I practice both ways. I have an old shooting buddy in L.A. that has a couple of 686 S&Ws that are nicely tuned, and after a few good “shootin’lessons” (he spanked me!) from him I decided to make a habit of shooting them double action so my shots under the stress of life or death would be trained for good trigger control on long pulls.


51 posted on 03/06/2014 5:12:25 PM PST by Blue Collar Christian (Vote Democrat. Once you're OK with killing babies the rest is easy. <BCC><)
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I’m loving my new Springfield XDs .45!

Wow. That's my other carry weapon too (winter carry mostly). I have the now aging, XD .45 compact with the big clip and a little clip. ;o)

52 posted on 03/06/2014 10:18:03 PM PST by Tenacious 1 (My whimsical litany of satyric prose and avarice pontification of wisdom demonstrates my concinnity.)
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To: woollyone

Thanks – I hadn’t heard of some of those tips.

One of the first things I do after buying a new guns it to get a set of snap caps for it for practice loading etc.


53 posted on 03/11/2014 3:04:03 PM PDT by HammerT (The Commonsense civil right of Armed Self-defense [CASD], its the law of the land.)
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