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Why many preppers will die
SHTF School ^ | 3/7/14 | Selco

Posted on 03/07/2014 3:15:41 PM PST by Kartographer

His story is not so unique, but I know much more stories about how folks got killed because they refused to leave their home (and run) when under attack by several people armed with firearms, while they were unarmed, or armed with pistol or knife, clearly outnumbered.

I read every day on web sentences like “having this gun will save you when SHTF” or “with this BOB you can not lose when SHTF”. Of course this is marketing crap from people who want to sell you something.

Please do not get yourself killed, or allow your family to die when SHTF just because you put your “perfect” BOB on, your “zombie survival” rifle in your hands and went out to save the world.

Or to get killed because you “draw line and here you stand your ground” for example when they attack your home or your storage. Do you really want to die just to hold onto things?

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Onca again Selco writes the sobering and harsh facts of life of SHTF.
1 posted on 03/07/2014 3:15:41 PM PST by Kartographer
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To: appalachian_dweller; OldPossum; DuncanWaring; VirginiaMom; CodeToad; goosie; kalee; ...

Preppers’ PING!!


2 posted on 03/07/2014 3:16:17 PM PST by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: Kartographer

Bob really hates when I put him on. What in the world is a BOB? Big Ornery Beast?


3 posted on 03/07/2014 3:17:48 PM PST by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: ProtectOurFreedom

Some women have boyfriends named ‘BOB’.


4 posted on 03/07/2014 3:20:06 PM PST by CivilWarBrewing
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To: ProtectOurFreedom

‘B’ug ‘O’ut ‘B’ag

A bag you prepare ahead of time incase you have to leave home fast because of fire, flood, what every. Stuff to get you by for a few days while youget you somewhere safe.


5 posted on 03/07/2014 3:21:09 PM PST by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: ProtectOurFreedom

“BUG OUT BAG”


6 posted on 03/07/2014 3:21:09 PM PST by Chance Hart
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To: ProtectOurFreedom

I just looked it up.

Bug Out Bag.


7 posted on 03/07/2014 3:22:07 PM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: Kartographer

LOL - Exact TIE Kart :-)


8 posted on 03/07/2014 3:22:38 PM PST by Chance Hart
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To: ProtectOurFreedom

Bug Out Bag... sort of like the Swiss Family Robinson’s ship, which carried all the inventory of 2 Walmarts and 3 Home Depots.


9 posted on 03/07/2014 3:22:40 PM PST by Tijeras_Slim
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To: Kartographer

When the Doodoo hits the wind appliance I will be taking care of mine and not giving a dissertation on the particulars.


10 posted on 03/07/2014 3:22:41 PM PST by Vaquero (Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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To: Kartographer

Anything can happen at any time. Heck, at least one of the Rothschilds (the people who supposedly control the whole world) died in the Nazi concentration camps.


11 posted on 03/07/2014 3:24:30 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (I will raise $2M for Sarah Palin's next run, what will you do?)
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To: Chance Hart

I think we need to buy lotto tickets!


12 posted on 03/07/2014 3:25:20 PM PST by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: Kartographer
With a gun you have an option, without one you have none.

The issue is not risking your life for STUFF, it's defending yourself and your family against those who would take the STUFF that you stored to keep your family alive.
Like food, water, clothes, fuel, medicine that may be irreplaceable when SHTF.
That kind of stuff. Necessary items, not the big screen TV.
You still have the option of surrendering if the odds are against you.
Then you have to consider whether the thugs are going to let you live or if it would have been better to take as many of them with you as you could.
For every thug you kill, some other prepper and family may live.

13 posted on 03/07/2014 3:27:43 PM PST by BitWielder1 (Corporate Profits are better than Government Waste)
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To: Kartographer

Kart, the simple fact is that most wise people that are preppers are not equipped to “run”. Physical or otherwise. I suggest to those that they have a Scorched earth plan.


14 posted on 03/07/2014 3:28:17 PM PST by mad_as_he$$
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To: Tijeras_Slim

You are so right about Swiss Family Robinson!

They prospered on that desert island because they had all the shipwreck spoils to themselves, and everyone else on that ill-fated ship was dead!

Howcum no one else survived the ship running aground? The captain was killed by a falling spar, but what about all the others?


15 posted on 03/07/2014 3:28:39 PM PST by elcid1970 ("In the modern world, Muslims are living fossils.")
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To: Kartographer
The best way to survive is to limit contact with things/people and situations that can kill you.

And the best way to do that is not be seen.

And the best way to not be seen is don't move around outside of your well camoed/concealed safe zone unless it is absolutely necessary...

16 posted on 03/07/2014 3:31:29 PM PST by Mad Dawgg (If you're going to deny my 1st Amendment rights then I must proceed to the 2nd one...)
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To: Kartographer

17 posted on 03/07/2014 3:32:39 PM PST by JoeProBono (SOME IMAGES MAY BE DISTURBING VIEWER DISCRETION IS ADVISED;-{)
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To: elcid1970

I haven’t read the book but in the Disney movie, the crew abandoned ship.

It was a pretty good movie and while maybe not realistic, it sure beat “Gilligan’s Island.


18 posted on 03/07/2014 3:33:00 PM PST by yarddog (Romans 8: verses 38 and 39. "For I am persuaded".)
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To: Kartographer

I doubt if I could survive on the run. Food, water, and shelter etc is not just stuff it is necessary to survive. If I can’t bug in, I’m probably doomed anyway, so might as well fight for it.


19 posted on 03/07/2014 3:41:30 PM PST by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: yarddog

Still pretty convenient for the sake of the story; nice not to have to share.

I remember Sessue Hayakawa as the pirate leader & how the family fought off the pirate invaders with coconut hand grenades.


20 posted on 03/07/2014 3:42:36 PM PST by elcid1970 ("In the modern world, Muslims are living fossils.")
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To: elcid1970

Swiss family Robinson is a hilarious book!!! It was written by a guy who hD never left the country, writing about exotic Lands and animals he had read about in books. He wrote during the cold winters to amuse his family.

My little son made me read about the invading snake a 100 times and we laughed to tears. They have no snakes in Switzerland. So he had written that the vicious snake comes to attack them standing erect, bouncing up the path to the house.

I believe they also rode ostriches. And as Swiss cannot imagine life without potatoes, he wrote about the delight of the family Robinson finding wild potatoes growing on the island.
It really is a very funny book.


21 posted on 03/07/2014 3:44:01 PM PST by Yaelle
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To: Kartographer

I once attended a briefing on a controversial subject, and the man giving the briefing put an unusual illustration on the overhead projector.

It was of the head of a yawning baboon, showing its very large canine teeth. But on the ends of the upper canines descended two ropes, attached to a swing. On the swing was a young girl, seemingly swinging in and out of the gaping mouth of the yawning baboon.

He explained to us that the yawning baboon represented the government, the media, the public, or a combination of the three. And we, each of us, were the little girl swinging in and out of its mouth.

“As the baboon continues to be bored, it continues to yawn. But if something, anything, gets its attention, it will stop yawning, to your detriment. So if you make yourself known to the baboon, intentionally or otherwise, you are baboon food.”

As a lesson, this definitely applies to *any* SHTF scenario.

So, in order of importance, it is best to:

1) Not be noticed.
2) If noticed, to be uninteresting.
3) If interesting, to be interesting for unimportant reasons.
4) If interesting, for important reasons, to have alliances with those who will protect you.
5) “Time to go, grasshopper.”


22 posted on 03/07/2014 3:44:55 PM PST by yefragetuwrabrumuy (WoT News: Rantburg.com)
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To: Yaelle

I first read SwFR in a Classics Illustrated comic book. As a kid I thought it would be fun to live in a treehouse with all the comforts of home.

But later when the two grown sons decide to take to the open sea and discover the world beyond their island, their parents just wish them well & go back to the treehouse. Strange.


23 posted on 03/07/2014 3:53:17 PM PST by elcid1970 ("In the modern world, Muslims are living fossils.")
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To: Kartographer

The writing is like a foreigner’s.


24 posted on 03/07/2014 3:54:16 PM PST by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue./Technological progress cannot be legislated.)
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To: Kartographer

SHTF = ???


25 posted on 03/07/2014 3:54:30 PM PST by ducttape45
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To: yarddog

Whoa there little buddy.


26 posted on 03/07/2014 3:55:52 PM PST by outofsalt (If history teaches us anything it's that history rarely teaches us anything.)
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To: ducttape45

Sh*t Hit The Fan


27 posted on 03/07/2014 3:55:59 PM PST by AppyPappy
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To: mad_as_he$$
I suggest to those that they have a Scorched earth plan.

In fact, a strategy I specifically recommend in my new book "When There is No FEMA". In my case I recommend (with plenty of caution) always having the mixin's for mustard gas on hand.

28 posted on 03/07/2014 3:56:06 PM PST by The Duke ("Forgiveness is between them and God, it's my job to arrange the meeting.")
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To: Kartographer

Won’t every prepper die? At some point?


29 posted on 03/07/2014 3:56:41 PM PST by married21 ( As for me and my house, we will serve the Lord.)
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To: the OlLine Rebel

Selco is Bosinian. A survivor of Sarajevo.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/bloggers/3020536/posts


30 posted on 03/07/2014 3:57:33 PM PST by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: Kartographer; All

From what I’ve seen & heard most people are not ready to pull the trigger to end another person’s life. Oh we talk a great game, but when push comes to shove not everyone is ready to do this. Even not everyone in the military are ready to do this. We can train all we want, but need to make ourselves mentality ready. Can you make the pistil shot under extreme duress within 21 feet in seconds? My guess is no.


31 posted on 03/07/2014 3:57:53 PM PST by TMSuchman (John 15;13 & Exodus 21:22-25 Pacem Bello Pastoribus Canes [shepard of peace,dogs of war])
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To: ducttape45

“The excrement made physical contact with a hydro-electric powered oscillating air current distribution system.”


32 posted on 03/07/2014 3:59:27 PM PST by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: Mad Dawgg

Actually the best way to survive is to organize your neighbors into a viable defense force. I recommend “A Failure of Civility” by Mike Garand and Jack Lawson that will teach you to how to do just that. If you are a veteran you could join Oath Keepers and participate in their Civilization Preservation Teams project. Otherwise the bad guys will just pick you off one at a time.


33 posted on 03/07/2014 4:03:39 PM PST by SVTCobra03 (You can never have enough friends, horsepower or ammunition.)
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To: married21; Lazamataz; Marcella; Old Sarge; JRandomFreeper; Eaker; humblegunner; metmom

No not Lazamataz and Marcella.


34 posted on 03/07/2014 4:06:32 PM PST by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: Kartographer

The problem with prepping is that there is no “one size fits all”. I do, however, agree that a well stocked bug out bag is a good idea. Oh yea, and plenty of flashlights and batteries.


35 posted on 03/07/2014 4:10:10 PM PST by AlexW
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To: BitWielder1

That last point is a cogent one. A moral, freedom loving person has the general obligation outside of providing for their immediate loved ones of helping some semblance of society return to normal. That would include aiding in the cleanup of nee’r do wells.

That said, one thing I think a lot of people don’t quite “get” with respect to societal breakdown and it’s resultant anarchy and potential for armed battle is, YOU DON’T GET A “DO-OVER” ON GETTING SHOT.

There are a LOT of places where people are seen making battle with military style weapons (full auto no less) in other parts of the world where you as an American would probably stand a far greater chance of survival than here. Why? Because most of those other places the majority of people are crappy shots, AND they’re all using full metal jacket mil-spec ammo.

The U.S. is saturated with rifles that are shooting heavier loads and they are in probably the majority of instances firing ammunition designed for taking game animals. These rounds are soft nosed and/or hollow point and a strike that may, with a full jacket round be survivable, will most definitely not be with a hunting round.

Granted, it’s all of ours hope that the majority of the folks wielding weapons firing game rounds will be like minded individuals with the Republic’s best interest in mind, but when the times get “Selco’y”, you’re going to have to be VERY judicious in your assesment of others and your exposure to whatever they’re packing...


36 posted on 03/07/2014 4:16:12 PM PST by Axenolith (Government blows, and that which governs least, blows least...)
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To: Kartographer

Is holding a BOB like choking your chicken?


37 posted on 03/07/2014 4:19:07 PM PST by Drango (A liberal's compassion is limited only by the size of someone else's wallet.)
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To: Kartographer

If Bob had a helicopter I might leave but I can shoot a lot better than I can run. I suppose I would hang in there until help came form next door or when I got too shot up to survive go down in flames. Run? I can hardly walk.


38 posted on 03/07/2014 4:19:51 PM PST by mountainlion
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To: greeneyes

If you live in the right area, being “bunkered in” with the right equipment, supplies, and a decent neighbor-network, is exactly the right thing to do.

I live in a sparsely populated area with several like-minded neighbors. When the SHTF, a couple of large black-powder charges can drop bridges making our area extremely difficult to access.

A mech infantry battalion MIGHT be able to dislodge us, but nothing short of that will be able to even hurt us much.


39 posted on 03/07/2014 4:20:56 PM PST by clee1 (We use 43 muscles to frown, 17 to smile, and 2 to pull a trigger. I'm lazy and I'm tired of smiling.)
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To: the OlLine Rebel

Because it is, he lived through the Yugoslavian mayhem.


40 posted on 03/07/2014 4:22:55 PM PST by Axenolith (Government blows, and that which governs least, blows least...)
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To: Kartographer

How many of use really have an option to “Bug Out.” Aside from fleeing a chemical, nuclear, geologic, weather, or, biological crisis staying put is best for the vast majority of us. Is grandma going to load up her 50lb backpack and march out in the wilderness? If there are armed bands of thugs invading the neighborhood how many of us are in good enough shape and in perfect health to outrun and out hide a band of gangs? I’d say not many?

Sure in an ideal world we all have hidden cabins, impossible to find, fully stocked, yet accessible and close to our homes to bug out too. Bugging in is a much better alternative. Certainly there are times you must leave. But as soon as you “bug out” you become a refugee.

Preparedness is more than just planning to get away when TSHTF. It includes knowing and trusting your neighbors. It means actively preparing your home, neighborhood, and even your entire town. If you’re in a situation where armed gangs are invading homes and killing the occupants they’d be just as happy killing you and robbing you as you’re hiking with your 60lb load. Best to have a defensible space where you have an ample supply of food, water, heat, and medicine.


41 posted on 03/07/2014 4:24:53 PM PST by Organic Panic
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To: ProtectOurFreedom
What in the world is a BOB?

Bug-out Bag.

42 posted on 03/07/2014 4:27:42 PM PST by Ol' Dan Tucker (People should not be afraid of the government. Government should be afraid of the people)
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To: Organic Panic

Sarajevo, Street Under Siege

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=alQHzsq2eKY


43 posted on 03/07/2014 4:29:43 PM PST by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: Tijeras_Slim

and a gun store...


44 posted on 03/07/2014 4:33:20 PM PST by rolling_stone
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To: SVTCobra03

Many of my neighbors are hard leftists and suffer hardship because of their own bad decisions that I used to try to advise them against, but I have now given up. They would report me in an instant as being prosperous. I know who my closest threats are. After that I would have to play it by ear.


45 posted on 03/07/2014 4:34:02 PM PST by MtnClimber (Liberals - wrong is right, down is up, gulags are utopia.)
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To: ducttape45

46 posted on 03/07/2014 4:36:35 PM PST by jy8z (When push comes disguised as nudge, I do not budge.)
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To: Kartographer

In the real world many of us have loved ones who are infirm or invalids. We can’t bug out. What we can do, though, is put ourselves between those loved ones and the threat to them, and teach that threat a lesson it won’t soon forget.


47 posted on 03/07/2014 4:49:41 PM PST by ought-six ( Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule.)
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To: ProtectOurFreedom
What in the world is a BOB?

In a similar vein, who the hell is Will and why is everyone constantly being ordered to fire at him?

48 posted on 03/07/2014 4:50:00 PM PST by Bloody Sam Roberts (Truth sounds like hate...to those who hate truth.)
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To: Mad Dawgg; Old Sarge; humblegunner; Lazamataz
“The best way to survive is to limit contact with things/people and situations that can kill you. And the best way to do that is not be seen. And the best way to not be seen is don't move around outside of your well camoed/concealed safe zone unless it is absolutely necessary...”

You are the winner according to ME. That is what I was going to write after I read the other comments and there you are writing the same thing.

I am a single older (but you can't tell it) woman with everything I would need in my house and back garden to live well for a very long time. No one here knows what I have - I'm just an “old” lady who lives in a small townhouse. If I left here on foot, the masses would find me even if I have my BOB with me, sure I have a BOB in case I have to leave after a hurricane or tornado that has destroyed my house.

I will move my car so it isn't in front of my house and I have a solar panel to use in my garden to recharge my many batteries so I won't be making any noise. It's almost impossible to get to my small garden since it has high brick walls around it and there is a long line of those gardens on both sides of me and each one has those high brick walls.

One would have to scale about 12 of those tall brick walls to get to mine from one end and from the other end to scale maybe 14-16. I have battery security in the garden to warn me if anyone is back there - likewise the same thing on the one front window and the front door is hardened so it can't be kicked in without staying with the job a long time and that gives me time to prepare my defense in case that front door moves. I have no way out of here except that front door or a ladder dropped down from a window upstairs and that would drop me in the front and that's where the door is. The upstairs, however, does make a very good place to see that door and zero a weapon or two right there.

If everything went to s-—, I think I would have a man here who always carries a 45 with a concealed permit. I can't count on that, but I think that would happen. I have plenty of heavy duty defense weapons and ammo that I don't use since they are heavy. That man could use those. Lighter weight weapons for me are not firecrackers, either, and I have favorite ammo - all hollow points.

There are large houses on streets near me that are easy picking. If I were a zombie, I'd go for the large houses. Now, if I had to, I would leave but that would likely be the end of me unless I have my car and can make it to Humblegunner’s house. We have an agreement, he can come here and I can go there. I'd stack my car with every goodie I could get in it, including the weapons and ammo, and head his direction. I'm sure that would make a feature film ‘cause I'm about as bad a dude as he is - I just don't look it.

Everyone has a special situation based on where one is and what is possible. I have thought out the best I can do and what might happen here to disturb my plan and what I would do in those situations.

It is folly to think nothing will ever happen so do nothing.

49 posted on 03/07/2014 4:51:18 PM PST by Marcella ((Prepping can save your life today. I am a Christian, not a Muslim.))
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To: JoeProBono

Your Bug Out Bag picture - I love your pictures, they are always on point and I laugh every time.


50 posted on 03/07/2014 4:52:43 PM PST by Marcella ((Prepping can save your life today. I am a Christian, not a Muslim.))
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