Skip to comments.Why many preppers will die
Posted on 03/07/2014 3:15:41 PM PST by Kartographer
His story is not so unique, but I know much more stories about how folks got killed because they refused to leave their home (and run) when under attack by several people armed with firearms, while they were unarmed, or armed with pistol or knife, clearly outnumbered.
I read every day on web sentences like having this gun will save you when SHTF or with this BOB you can not lose when SHTF. Of course this is marketing crap from people who want to sell you something.
Please do not get yourself killed, or allow your family to die when SHTF just because you put your perfect BOB on, your zombie survival rifle in your hands and went out to save the world.
Or to get killed because you draw line and here you stand your ground for example when they attack your home or your storage. Do you really want to die just to hold onto things?
(Excerpt) Read more at shtfschool.com ...
Bob really hates when I put him on. What in the world is a BOB? Big Ornery Beast?
Some women have boyfriends named ‘BOB’.
‘B’ug ‘O’ut ‘B’ag
A bag you prepare ahead of time incase you have to leave home fast because of fire, flood, what every. Stuff to get you by for a few days while youget you somewhere safe.
“BUG OUT BAG”
I just looked it up.
Bug Out Bag.
LOL - Exact TIE Kart :-)
Bug Out Bag... sort of like the Swiss Family Robinson’s ship, which carried all the inventory of 2 Walmarts and 3 Home Depots.
When the Doodoo hits the wind appliance I will be taking care of mine and not giving a dissertation on the particulars.
Anything can happen at any time. Heck, at least one of the Rothschilds (the people who supposedly control the whole world) died in the Nazi concentration camps.
I think we need to buy lotto tickets!
Kart, the simple fact is that most wise people that are preppers are not equipped to “run”. Physical or otherwise. I suggest to those that they have a Scorched earth plan.
You are so right about Swiss Family Robinson!
They prospered on that desert island because they had all the shipwreck spoils to themselves, and everyone else on that ill-fated ship was dead!
Howcum no one else survived the ship running aground? The captain was killed by a falling spar, but what about all the others?
And the best way to do that is not be seen.
And the best way to not be seen is don't move around outside of your well camoed/concealed safe zone unless it is absolutely necessary...
I haven’t read the book but in the Disney movie, the crew abandoned ship.
It was a pretty good movie and while maybe not realistic, it sure beat “Gilligan’s Island.
I doubt if I could survive on the run. Food, water, and shelter etc is not just stuff it is necessary to survive. If I can’t bug in, I’m probably doomed anyway, so might as well fight for it.
Still pretty convenient for the sake of the story; nice not to have to share.
I remember Sessue Hayakawa as the pirate leader & how the family fought off the pirate invaders with coconut hand grenades.
Swiss family Robinson is a hilarious book!!! It was written by a guy who hD never left the country, writing about exotic Lands and animals he had read about in books. He wrote during the cold winters to amuse his family.
My little son made me read about the invading snake a 100 times and we laughed to tears. They have no snakes in Switzerland. So he had written that the vicious snake comes to attack them standing erect, bouncing up the path to the house.
I believe they also rode ostriches. And as Swiss cannot imagine life without potatoes, he wrote about the delight of the family Robinson finding wild potatoes growing on the island.
It really is a very funny book.
I once attended a briefing on a controversial subject, and the man giving the briefing put an unusual illustration on the overhead projector.
It was of the head of a yawning baboon, showing its very large canine teeth. But on the ends of the upper canines descended two ropes, attached to a swing. On the swing was a young girl, seemingly swinging in and out of the gaping mouth of the yawning baboon.
He explained to us that the yawning baboon represented the government, the media, the public, or a combination of the three. And we, each of us, were the little girl swinging in and out of its mouth.
“As the baboon continues to be bored, it continues to yawn. But if something, anything, gets its attention, it will stop yawning, to your detriment. So if you make yourself known to the baboon, intentionally or otherwise, you are baboon food.”
As a lesson, this definitely applies to *any* SHTF scenario.
So, in order of importance, it is best to:
1) Not be noticed.
2) If noticed, to be uninteresting.
3) If interesting, to be interesting for unimportant reasons.
4) If interesting, for important reasons, to have alliances with those who will protect you.
5) “Time to go, grasshopper.”
I first read SwFR in a Classics Illustrated comic book. As a kid I thought it would be fun to live in a treehouse with all the comforts of home.
But later when the two grown sons decide to take to the open sea and discover the world beyond their island, their parents just wish them well & go back to the treehouse. Strange.
The writing is like a foreigner’s.
SHTF = ???
Whoa there little buddy.
Sh*t Hit The Fan
In fact, a strategy I specifically recommend in my new book "When There is No FEMA". In my case I recommend (with plenty of caution) always having the mixin's for mustard gas on hand.
Won’t every prepper die? At some point?
Selco is Bosinian. A survivor of Sarajevo.
From what I’ve seen & heard most people are not ready to pull the trigger to end another person’s life. Oh we talk a great game, but when push comes to shove not everyone is ready to do this. Even not everyone in the military are ready to do this. We can train all we want, but need to make ourselves mentality ready. Can you make the pistil shot under extreme duress within 21 feet in seconds? My guess is no.
“The excrement made physical contact with a hydro-electric powered oscillating air current distribution system.”
Actually the best way to survive is to organize your neighbors into a viable defense force. I recommend “A Failure of Civility” by Mike Garand and Jack Lawson that will teach you to how to do just that. If you are a veteran you could join Oath Keepers and participate in their Civilization Preservation Teams project. Otherwise the bad guys will just pick you off one at a time.
No not Lazamataz and Marcella.
The problem with prepping is that there is no “one size fits all”. I do, however, agree that a well stocked bug out bag is a good idea. Oh yea, and plenty of flashlights and batteries.
That last point is a cogent one. A moral, freedom loving person has the general obligation outside of providing for their immediate loved ones of helping some semblance of society return to normal. That would include aiding in the cleanup of nee’r do wells.
That said, one thing I think a lot of people don’t quite “get” with respect to societal breakdown and it’s resultant anarchy and potential for armed battle is, YOU DON’T GET A “DO-OVER” ON GETTING SHOT.
There are a LOT of places where people are seen making battle with military style weapons (full auto no less) in other parts of the world where you as an American would probably stand a far greater chance of survival than here. Why? Because most of those other places the majority of people are crappy shots, AND they’re all using full metal jacket mil-spec ammo.
The U.S. is saturated with rifles that are shooting heavier loads and they are in probably the majority of instances firing ammunition designed for taking game animals. These rounds are soft nosed and/or hollow point and a strike that may, with a full jacket round be survivable, will most definitely not be with a hunting round.
Granted, it’s all of ours hope that the majority of the folks wielding weapons firing game rounds will be like minded individuals with the Republic’s best interest in mind, but when the times get “Selco’y”, you’re going to have to be VERY judicious in your assesment of others and your exposure to whatever they’re packing...
Is holding a BOB like choking your chicken?
If Bob had a helicopter I might leave but I can shoot a lot better than I can run. I suppose I would hang in there until help came form next door or when I got too shot up to survive go down in flames. Run? I can hardly walk.
If you live in the right area, being “bunkered in” with the right equipment, supplies, and a decent neighbor-network, is exactly the right thing to do.
I live in a sparsely populated area with several like-minded neighbors. When the SHTF, a couple of large black-powder charges can drop bridges making our area extremely difficult to access.
A mech infantry battalion MIGHT be able to dislodge us, but nothing short of that will be able to even hurt us much.
Because it is, he lived through the Yugoslavian mayhem.
How many of use really have an option to “Bug Out.” Aside from fleeing a chemical, nuclear, geologic, weather, or, biological crisis staying put is best for the vast majority of us. Is grandma going to load up her 50lb backpack and march out in the wilderness? If there are armed bands of thugs invading the neighborhood how many of us are in good enough shape and in perfect health to outrun and out hide a band of gangs? I’d say not many?
Sure in an ideal world we all have hidden cabins, impossible to find, fully stocked, yet accessible and close to our homes to bug out too. Bugging in is a much better alternative. Certainly there are times you must leave. But as soon as you “bug out” you become a refugee.
Preparedness is more than just planning to get away when TSHTF. It includes knowing and trusting your neighbors. It means actively preparing your home, neighborhood, and even your entire town. If you’re in a situation where armed gangs are invading homes and killing the occupants they’d be just as happy killing you and robbing you as you’re hiking with your 60lb load. Best to have a defensible space where you have an ample supply of food, water, heat, and medicine.
Sarajevo, Street Under Siege
and a gun store...
Many of my neighbors are hard leftists and suffer hardship because of their own bad decisions that I used to try to advise them against, but I have now given up. They would report me in an instant as being prosperous. I know who my closest threats are. After that I would have to play it by ear.
In the real world many of us have loved ones who are infirm or invalids. We can’t bug out. What we can do, though, is put ourselves between those loved ones and the threat to them, and teach that threat a lesson it won’t soon forget.
In a similar vein, who the hell is Will and why is everyone constantly being ordered to fire at him?
You are the winner according to ME. That is what I was going to write after I read the other comments and there you are writing the same thing.
I am a single older (but you can't tell it) woman with everything I would need in my house and back garden to live well for a very long time. No one here knows what I have - I'm just an “old” lady who lives in a small townhouse. If I left here on foot, the masses would find me even if I have my BOB with me, sure I have a BOB in case I have to leave after a hurricane or tornado that has destroyed my house.
I will move my car so it isn't in front of my house and I have a solar panel to use in my garden to recharge my many batteries so I won't be making any noise. It's almost impossible to get to my small garden since it has high brick walls around it and there is a long line of those gardens on both sides of me and each one has those high brick walls.
One would have to scale about 12 of those tall brick walls to get to mine from one end and from the other end to scale maybe 14-16. I have battery security in the garden to warn me if anyone is back there - likewise the same thing on the one front window and the front door is hardened so it can't be kicked in without staying with the job a long time and that gives me time to prepare my defense in case that front door moves. I have no way out of here except that front door or a ladder dropped down from a window upstairs and that would drop me in the front and that's where the door is. The upstairs, however, does make a very good place to see that door and zero a weapon or two right there.
If everything went to s-—, I think I would have a man here who always carries a 45 with a concealed permit. I can't count on that, but I think that would happen. I have plenty of heavy duty defense weapons and ammo that I don't use since they are heavy. That man could use those. Lighter weight weapons for me are not firecrackers, either, and I have favorite ammo - all hollow points.
There are large houses on streets near me that are easy picking. If I were a zombie, I'd go for the large houses. Now, if I had to, I would leave but that would likely be the end of me unless I have my car and can make it to Humblegunner’s house. We have an agreement, he can come here and I can go there. I'd stack my car with every goodie I could get in it, including the weapons and ammo, and head his direction. I'm sure that would make a feature film ‘cause I'm about as bad a dude as he is - I just don't look it.
Everyone has a special situation based on where one is and what is possible. I have thought out the best I can do and what might happen here to disturb my plan and what I would do in those situations.
It is folly to think nothing will ever happen so do nothing.
Your Bug Out Bag picture - I love your pictures, they are always on point and I laugh every time.
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