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Obama & Putin - Trapped In Macho Game Of “Chicken” Over Ukraine - Whole World Could Pay The Price
Freedom Outpost ^ | March 6, 2014 | Michael Snyder

Posted on 03/08/2014 12:25:04 PM PST by Tolerance Sucks Rocks

The U.S. government and the Russian government have both been forced into positions where neither one of them can afford to back down. If Barack Obama backs down, he will be greatly criticized for being "weak" and for having been beaten by Vladimir Putin once again. If Putin backs down, he will be greatly criticized for being "weak" and for abandoning the Russians that live in Crimea. In essence, Obama and Putin find themselves trapped in a macho game of "chicken" and critics on both sides stand ready to pounce on the one who backs down. But this is not just an innocent game of "chicken" from a fifties movie. This is the real deal, and if nobody backs down the entire world will pay the price.

Leaving aside who is to blame for a moment, it is really frightening to think that we may be approaching the tensest moment in U.S.-Russian relations since the Cuban missile crisis.

There has been much talk about Obama's "red lines", but the truth is that Crimea (and in particular the naval base at Sevastopol) is a "red line" for Russia.

There is nothing that Obama could ever do that could force the Russians out of Sevastopol. They will never, ever willingly give up that naval base.

So what in the world does Obama expect to accomplish by imposing sanctions on Russia? By treaty, Russia is allowed to have 25,000 troops in Crimea and Russia has not sent troops into the rest of Ukraine.

Economic sanctions are not going to cause Putin to back down. Instead, they will just cause the Russians to retaliate.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Conspiracy; Government; Military/Veterans
KEYWORDS: coldwar; coldwarii; collapse; crimea; crimeainvasion; debt; obama; putin; russia; treasuries; ukraine; us

1 posted on 03/08/2014 12:25:04 PM PST by Tolerance Sucks Rocks
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To: 3D-JOY; abner; Abundy; AGreatPer; Albion Wilde; AliVeritas; alisasny; ALlRightAllTheTime; ...

PING!


2 posted on 03/08/2014 12:25:47 PM PST by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (The PASSING LANE is for PASSING, not DAWDLING)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

No one wants to spill blood to stop Russia, so the Ukraine people will start IMO blowing part of the pipeline up before Russia takes over the whole place.

They will bleed Russia to death.

I don’t see what else they can do to regain their own country back.
They need their own don’t mess with Texas moment.


3 posted on 03/08/2014 12:30:00 PM PST by A CA Guy ( God Bless America, God Bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Putin has shown the world that he is a forceful Russian nationalist and acts decisively and passionately in the interests of his country. Obama has demonstrated that he is not an American nationalist and does not take decisive action that is in the best interest of the United States.


4 posted on 03/08/2014 12:31:58 PM PST by allendale
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

To win a game of chicken you have to have courage, fortitude, gravitas, in a word BALLS! Putin has nothing to fear from our resident eunuch, Obama will fold like a cheap lawn chair sat on by a 800 pound bear.


5 posted on 03/08/2014 12:32:17 PM PST by Mastador1 (I'll take a bad dog over a good politician any day!)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

What Macho?

One wears pant and the other throws like a little girl, One does karate and the other giggles and one is a man and the other is a ?????.


6 posted on 03/08/2014 12:32:39 PM PST by chiefqc
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

"Look Boss, it's the Ukraine, it's the Ukraine...."
7 posted on 03/08/2014 12:32:56 PM PST by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Putin is holding ALL the cards. Period.

Many people are trying to compare this situation to Hitler in 1939. I think a better comparison is California 1846.


8 posted on 03/08/2014 12:34:02 PM PST by Cowboy Bob (They are called "Liberals" because the word "parasite" was already taken.)
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To: chiefqc

bi-metrosexual?


9 posted on 03/08/2014 12:35:31 PM PST by luvbach1 (We are finished)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Putin is not trapped, it’s silly to think it.
He is doing what he wants when he wants to.


10 posted on 03/08/2014 12:46:32 PM PST by svcw (Not 'hope and change' but 'dopes in chains' hen I ask t)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

makes me laugh on how Obama just crumbles when faced with opposition he can’t sick the FBI, NSA, Union thugs, DOJ, homeland security, and Harry Reid on.


11 posted on 03/08/2014 12:47:48 PM PST by Usagi_yo (Standardization is an Evolutionary dead end.)
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To: Cowboy Bob

There are some pissed off Ukrainians who will blow some stuff up. This is not 25 years ago and there is a lot of take charge folks who will bleed Russia of it’s oil money.

Look for a Ukrainian version of don’t mess with Texas coming.


12 posted on 03/08/2014 12:51:02 PM PST by A CA Guy ( God Bless America, God Bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

I find the article to be pretty short sighted and not taking into account the reality of todays world. What happened in Georgia? As far as America is concerned, as far as Europe, nothing. Theres no question the Ukraine is larger and somewhat more of a headline. I don’t disagree with that in any way.
You have to look at 5 years of Obama. To paraphrase Hillary what difference does it make what Obama does? Its not what he does but rather how harsh he will claim whatever he does is. So throw Russia out of the G8. Make them listen to Kerry and want to puke. At the end of the day Its how the actions, however meager, are messaged to we the people. The exact same thing will go on in Europe except they with Russia as a neighbor are even less willing to do something but rather more readily accept a message of we tried.
There will be a series of toothless actions, Joy Behar and others will claim wow Obama is so forceful and the people of the Ukraine will be screwed. Thats it. everything else you see now is smoke and mirrors.


13 posted on 03/08/2014 1:09:18 PM PST by wiggen (The teacher card. When the racism card just won't work.)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

It is impossible for me to believe that Putin hasn’t run all the moves on the board months or years ago. He has no doubt also run all of the “Obama is a self serving a$$hole what if he does something REALLY stupid” moves.


14 posted on 03/08/2014 1:09:39 PM PST by TalBlack (Evil doesn't have a day job.)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

maybe mexico will take back california!!!


15 posted on 03/08/2014 1:15:12 PM PST by Mr. K (If you like your constitution, you can keep it...Period.)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Ol’ “Mom Jeans” ain’t gonna pull this one off... :)


16 posted on 03/08/2014 1:22:08 PM PST by Mr. Jeeves (CTRL-GALT-DELETE)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

There’s only one guy wearing the mom jeans in that contest


17 posted on 03/08/2014 1:28:52 PM PST by bigbob (The best way to get a bad law repealed is to enforce it strictly. Abraham Lincoln)
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18 posted on 03/08/2014 1:30:59 PM PST by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Article is way off. Putin is doing whatever he wants and does not give 2 cents regarding the words spewed by Obama.


19 posted on 03/08/2014 1:34:18 PM PST by Gabrial (The nightmare will continue as long as the nightmare is in the Whitehouse.)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

The problem with that headline is that 0bama isn’t macho in any way that I can name.


20 posted on 03/08/2014 1:35:41 PM PST by Hardastarboard (The question of our age is whether a majority of Americans can and will vote us all into slavery.)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

After being told he can’t sign an Executive Order telling Putin he has to withdraw his troops , Obama replied: “Well then, I’m outta ideas!”


21 posted on 03/08/2014 1:46:08 PM PST by GreenHornet
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
By treaty Russia agreed to respect the territorial integrity of Ukraine if it would give up its nukes. Of course, Ukraine made that under Yeltsin, and I believe Putin thinks he is not bound by agreements made by his predecessors
22 posted on 03/08/2014 1:48:29 PM PST by attiladhun2 (The Free World has a new leader--his name is Benjamin Netanyahu)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Obama and macho? in the same thought?

Shea right!

And monkeys will fly out of my keester


23 posted on 03/08/2014 1:56:31 PM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously-you won't live through it anyway-Enjoy Yourself ala Louis Prima)
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To: chiefqc

Yes. A macho game would require two males. This one pits a man against a little girl.


24 posted on 03/08/2014 2:00:06 PM PST by Defiant (Let the Tea Party win, and we will declare peace on the American people and go home.)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

What scares me is with all the talk of Zer0 being impotent he may do something really stupid to prove to the world what a he-man he is.
Think he can bluff Putin with some sort of military threat.
He’s sent jets to Poland, etc.
Watch out Zer0.


25 posted on 03/08/2014 2:24:49 PM PST by Vinnie
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Obama in a macho game . . .

Obama in a battle of wits . . .

Some statements just don’t need to be finished.


26 posted on 03/08/2014 2:47:12 PM PST by Pollster1 ("Shall not be infringed" is unambiguous.)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Years later we finally learned that JFK gave up a lot to get Kruschev to turn those ships around. Obama doesn’t have anything to give up. He’s already given everything away.


27 posted on 03/08/2014 3:03:13 PM PST by VerySadAmerican (".....Barrack, and the horse Mohammed rode in on.")
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A question for everyone. Will the “button pushers” follow obama’s order if he was to tell them to nuke Russia?


28 posted on 03/08/2014 3:06:00 PM PST by VerySadAmerican (".....Barrack, and the horse Mohammed rode in on.")
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Stupid moral equivalency argument: on Crimea, FR is beginning to sound like The Nation during the Cold War.


29 posted on 03/08/2014 3:28:24 PM PST by pierrem15 (Claudius: "Let all the poisons that lurk in the mud hatch out.")
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To: All

This isn’t half time it’s game over Obummer is already in the showers!


30 posted on 03/08/2014 3:32:52 PM PST by DocJhn
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
I have a problem with 'macho game'.

It takes 2 to play fight (this is not a game) and the puppet isn't 'macho'; he's dangerously inexperienced & emotional, reliant on others.

It's those advising him that will get us into a war nobody wants, either purposefully to distract from domestic problems (sound familiar?) or an unintended effect of sabre rattling.

If it were between just the 2 'men' (I have a hard time using that term on more than just Putin), there's no question who would back down...and as it is, imho, no question who has thought out all their moves...

31 posted on 03/08/2014 4:06:53 PM PST by logi_cal869
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To: svcw

Putin felt he had to do something to save face after the humiliating overthrow of his puppet in Ukraine. So he managed to hold on to one small part of Ukraine where he already had a military base. He still lost the whole rest of the country. He is a failure and a loser.


32 posted on 03/09/2014 1:32:25 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
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To: Tailgunner Joe

I have no idea what you are talking about


33 posted on 03/09/2014 2:06:17 PM PDT by svcw (Not 'hope and change' but 'dopes in chains')
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To: svcw

You don’t know that anti-Russian forces have taken over Ukraine? This is a major loss and setback for Putin and a great gain for the west. Putin has attempted to look strong by sending more troops to Crimea but in fact this is a pointless act of impotent desperation. Putin has gained nothing because he already had thousands of troops in Crimea. Putin only “invaded” Crimea because he knew they wouldn’t fight back! Stupid bullies like Putin only want to fight those who won’t fight back.


34 posted on 03/09/2014 6:04:24 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

To have a macho man stand off you have to have a man on either side. Don’t think President Mommy Jeans meets the crotria.


35 posted on 03/11/2014 5:21:49 AM PDT by Jimmy Valentine's brother ("When leftists donÂ’t get their way, they start shooting people and bombing buildings." - rr)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

I’d say there’s only one chicken in that game.


36 posted on 03/11/2014 5:25:19 AM PDT by Fresh Wind (The last remnants of the Old Republic have been swept away.)
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