Skip to comments.Ukraine's Military Mobilizes, Prepares For Combat: Trucks, APCs, SAMs, Howitzers, Tanks Rolling Out
Posted on 03/08/2014 7:29:55 PM PST by Kartographer
Did somebody say de-escalation?
Earlier today, photos were distributed showing the latest military convoy reinforcements heading into the Crimea, accompanies by a Police car demonstrating Moscow license plate numbers, most likely providing further support to the pro-Russian forces in the peninsula.
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Assassinations of Ukie officials begin tomorrow. Plausible deniability, of course.
I’m sure the Ukrainians right now are just tickled pink they got rid of all their nukes, right?
Reminds me of the great movie comedy from the ‘60s “The Russians Are Coming!’’ “Egermancy, Egermancy, everybody to get from street!’’.
this is not going to end well
Great live link
And what will the world say about a modern military that REALLY fights to shock and awe?
Real war isn't pretty if you want to win fast and decisively and also pacify a country that wants you to leave.
Why would Ukraine want to fight a war it has no chance of winning over a piece of land filled with Russians that was only given to the Ukraine in the 50’s?
Nukes are pretty useless unless you want to exterminate the other guy's population while getting immolated in the process. The Afghans outlasted the Russians and they had nary a nuke in their possession. Ditto with our guys in Afghanistan and Iraq and Sunni Arab and Taliban insurgents respectively. Ukraine can kick the Russians out of Crimea without a single nuke - they just have to want it more than the Russians, and that means doing what it takes to get to the Russians' uncle point, casualty-wise. 13K dead was the Red Army's limit back in Afghanistan. I suspect if the Russian body count gets to 10K, Putin will be looking for a comfortable locale for a retirement in exile.
It's impossible to know the degree of Ukrainian rancor over the bloody suppression of past rebellions against the Russians. Was the Holodomor the Ukrainian equivalent of the Irish Potato Famine - the event that finally turned them irrevocably against their Russian masters? Only time will tell - in the form of the amount of punishment they're prepared to take in order to remove the Russians from the Crimea.
I think the question is why Russia would want to fight a war it has no chance of winning. It comes down to who wants it more. Is Russia prepared to have tens of thousands of its servicemen come home in body bags? More and more, I'm beginning to suspect that historians will note the Holodomor as the Ukrainian equivalent of the Irish Potato Famine - the event that made separation from Russia irrevocable. For Ukrainians, this invasion is a nation-making event - the historical enemy engages in yet another instance of unprovoked aggression, giving Ukrainians the opportunity to bleed the Russians, but this time with Ukraine winning instead of losing. Once the war officially kicks off in a few months (after the Ukrainian military is fully mobilized), expect it to be 10x more bloody than what transpired during the partition of Yugoslavia, if the Russians try to tough it out.
I think the west and the EU miscalculated - they thought they could engineer one of their cutely named revolutions and that would be that. Not working out that way.
She said the following things:
As I said, this information is only a few hours old for me.
How do we know conclusively that they did? Israel has no nukes, right?
Sounds like occupy wallstreet type stuff.
Ukraine’s military will be hampered by mass defections, betrayals, and massive surrenders of units to the divisional level.
And didn’t we agree to protect them if they agreed to go ‘ nuke free ‘?
Yeah, we did.
Ukraine winning instead of losing
You really see Russia losing a conflict with Ukraine? I know Russia’s military isn’t what it used to be but reports I have read indicate the Ukrainian military is in shambles compared to Russia.
Not rooting for the Russian’s by any stretch but I just don’t see them losing that fight.
I’ve wondered if border countries will get involved without even trying. Throw Poland in the mix and things get really interesting.
Forget the Russians - we couldn't win a war with Ukraine. And by win I mean outlast. Ukraine couldn't conquer either Russia or the US, but it can outlast either in a war for something it holds dear enough. Whether the Crimea is that something remains to be seen, but there's more than territory involved - there's history in terms of the Holodomor and other Russian mass killings of Ukrainians. This Russian invasion is simultaneously a chance to build an enduring national myth (such as the one about the colonials being oppressed* by King George) and an opportunity to bleed the Russians dry over all of the previous times the Ukrainians' forebears were slaughtered** during the Russian suppression of Ukrainian revolts.
* Relative to the rest of the world at the time, the Founding Fathers wouldn't know oppression if it smacked them upside the head.
** This was the basis for both Irish and Scottish separatism. The former is complete, whereas the latter is only a matter of time. Think about how the Scots still commemorate the Battle of Stirling Bridge and the Battle of Bannockburn after all this time, while mourning the Battle of Falkirk, despite the Union of the Crowns having produced a Scottish king to rule all of Britain, King James I.
Speaking of Poland,
In attritional terms, we won in Vietnam - we killed an estimated 1.2m NVA and VC in exchange for 58K GI dead. We won every major battle and most of the minor ones. In terms of facts on the ground, we lost - the RVN is a historical relic, replaced by the DRV. We decided the war wasn’t worth the cost and left.
My acquainted Ukrainian woman told me her cousin and classmate were murdered in Kiev recently. They were not protesters; they were murdered in their homes by gangsters with weapon behaving like occupants on seized land. Police is dysfunctional.
Just look at the sort of troops and their actions in Georgia a few years back, or Russians troop actions in the Hungarian invasion in the 60s: tanks and other armored vehicles will roll over the demonstrators, crowds and individuals will be shot out of hand just because.
The Ukrainian military is a joke, so no help there.
This follows a pattern of our government. particularly since Obama. Send in Community agitators to disrupt in order to turn the fate of that nation to the NWO. The people that run Obama are behind it.
The confusing part for most of us is that neither side is worth a tinker’s damn.
Thing is, they are really not too successful after looking at Egypt and Libya.
a) their mil has been restructured away from conscript dependence toward a more professional one;
b) the Afgans were already armed and had a culture of war, aka ‘fighting season’;
c) one of Russia's largest military bases is just over the boarder and;
d) supply lines are very short, unlike in Afghanistan.
Whatever the Ukrainians want, they are not going to get - no matter what they try. Russia will keep the Crimea at all costs - it is their only warm water port.
The crisis could conceivably be solved by giving the Russians a ‘99’ year lease on the port and making Russian an official language.
More like Code Pink helping the MB overthrow Mubarik in Egypt.
It might be a viable stalling tactic to hold off until the cavalry shows up, but there is no cavalry to ride in and save them. The best they can do (lousy tactic) is to bloody Putin's nose and get the world even more irate (more nasty letters and phone calls) when he shows them he's serious.
Europe has a long tradition of vicious wars of attrition, the most recent of which ended in the late 90's, during the partition of Yugoslavia. Ukraine's Stepan Bandera gave the Russians a run for their money in the decade or so after WWII, packing it in only after the Soviets conducted mass killings of the Ukrainian rebels' civilian supporters, destroying the guerrilla force after the slaughter of hundreds of thousands of Ukrainians. Unlike the Afghans, the Ukrainians fought the Russians for over a decade without any foreign aid.
With the EU wimped-out - there is no help there, nor can they expect any from the United Obama States. The European political climate has radically changed from the 90s when they could expect aid overt or covert aid against the Soviets.
WWII is long past, Bandara is gone, as are the arms available at that time. Any attempt to take up arms against the Russians today will have the same result it did in the past. The media will slobber over the horrific mass killings and move on. The Russians do not care, as long as the Crimea remains under their control - same for the gas pipelines.
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