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Terrifying, Unacceptable Terms of Surrender in the Same Sex "Marriage" Battle
BarbWire ^ | March 9, 2014 | Jeff Allen

Posted on 03/13/2014 6:21:00 PM PDT by WXRGina

By now many informed individuals, liberal company excluded, have heard the discouraging news that Ross Douthat, the lone conservative holdout at the New York Times, has recently thrown in the towel on the national same-sex “marriage” debate. In his recent column, The Terms of Our Surrender, he grimly declares defeat and states, “All that’s left is the timing of the final victory — and for the defeated to find out what settlement the victors will impose.” Remember, though, the same kind of thing was also said about abortion in the aftermath of the Roe v. Wade decision, but the debate continues to rage, and the pro-life position has actually gained ground in recent years.

He also foolishly frames this surrender as punishment, not persecution, for Christians who “far too often chose intolerance” against homosexuals. But if such statements are designed to arouse the sympathies of the virulent homosexual activists, don’t waste your breath, Mr. Douthat. You will receive little mercy from the anti-male/female marriage extremists—They’re not planning on being big-hearted any time soon, for they have ice flowing through their veins.

Although I adamantly reject the premise of Douthat’s analysis, it is still a very eye-opening exercise to consider what the likely fallout of Douthat’s proposed surrender would be if we as individuals or a nation were to unwisely heed his counsel.

And don’t take my word for it—Let’s allow the vicious homosexual activists to speak for themselves on this matter. Instead, of being accused (as I will anyway) of putting words into their mouths, let’s give them enough rope to hang themselves, as they most assuredly will, by considering their own vitriol. And by the way, these are their words specifically in response to Douthat’s NYT’s column.

Two recent articles written by Mark Joseph Stern (Slate) and John Saul (Huffington Post) reveal what the homo-fascists have in mind and what they would love to sadistically do to those who have been, or still are, in opposition them.

Seeing right through Douthat’s kiss-up “punishment” comment, Mark Joseph Stern is not in a charitable mood, and he has no room for any of Douthat’s groveling for the generous treatment of Christians. Sensing blood in the water, Stern lambasts Douthat and Christians for their “disgusting raw hatred” and “base bigotry,” and instructs his sycophantic followers to “make ‘homophobes’ the real victims.” Trafficking in his own actual religious bigotry, Stern’s contempt for anyone who holds to a moral view of marriage is palpable, and his plans are retaliatory in nature.

John Saul, on the other hand, is much more pointed in his obviously hateful remarks:

“Somehow, it had never occurred to me that there should be any negotiation when it comes to bigotry, let alone any kind of “settlement.” Sorry, Ross, but it doesn’t work that way…and we don’t have to tolerate the rest of your bigotry”

In a mocking tirade of against Christianity, the ever sardonic Saul also scoffs at the idea that “the rest of us (the liberal extremists)… are supposed to give this minority of dunces all the respect they think they deserve.”

Then, after another scathing rant about religion being nothing more than superstition, Saul offers this measly and sarcastic concession as the only “gracious” term of surrender that he’s willing to grant: “Even my own atheism has a tiny chance of being wrong. (I’m not sure I really believe that, but at least I’m willing to toss you a crumb. Take it as your “settlement.”)

“And don’t think,” Saul menacing threatens, “we won’t keep trying to eradicate the rest of your bigotry, either.”

There is not one ounce of tolerance from either Stern or Saul in what amounts to a zero-sum game for them. And that’s why Douthat’s article isn’t worth the “paper” it’s written on. Douthat is either absolutely uninformed or willfully ignorant when it comes to the pernicious aims of the homosexual “movement,” but there is absolutely NO excuse for either of those possibilities. All anyone has to do is to look around, open their eyes, and see what’s happening everywhere across this country with increasing and horrifying regularity. True American rights and freedoms are being trampled underfoot by the bullies of decadence.

The homo-maniacal plans for all traditionalists sound quite unpleasant, not to mention being a clear violation of our First Amendment rights. Ah, heck, while the homosexual hordes are busy burning the “Reichstag,” why not throw in the U.S. Constitution, and the Declaration of the Independence for good measure, as a little more fuel on the “gay rights” fire … since we’re apparently not using them anymore. A scorched earth policy is certainly the order of the day for this new breed of homo-fascists.

There are apparently no plans for some sort of Geneva Convention for the moral non-conformist prisoners-of-war.Little or no mercy will be shown to true Christians and the remaining conservative pockets of resistance. It will either be full capitulation to the homosexual agenda…or it will be re-education, incarceration, bankruptcy, marginalization, and state-sanctioned ridicule…or worse…are there any available cattle cars around? That’s what Stern, Farrell and many of their ilk would love to see happen should they get their wicked way. Chillingly, there are many just like these two Leftist publishers of perversity, and they have the money of Hollywood, the megaphone of the media, the muscle of a rogue judiciary, and the might of a corrupted government to back them up. And Douthat’s cowardly concession will only serve to inflame the anti-morality fascists, as if they needed any more help.

Ultimately, the point is this: Surrender should never be an option for two very abundantly clear reasons. First, there is the unmistakable clarion call of God to uphold and defend his moral and biblical standards in civil society. For history has unmistakably shown that no nation or culture has long remained strong and vibrant after abandoning their moral underpinnings. Second, for those like Douthat who might remotely consider the imprudent possibility of cowardly capitulation, Stern and Saul have made their sinister schemes of subjugation for the Christians and all moral traditionalists abundantly clear, and it isn’t pretty. It’s flat out frightening!

The resolute words of Winston Churchill in his Blood, Sweat and Tears speech, ringing in my ears right now, are quite apropos to the moment at hand:

Even though large tracts of Europe and many old and famous States have fallen or may fall into the grip of the Gestapo and all the odious apparatus of Nazi rule, we shall not flag or fail.
We shall go on to the end, we shall fight in France,
we shall fight on the seas and oceans,
we shall fight with growing confidence and growing
strength in the air, we shall defend our Island, whatever the cost may be,
we shall fight on the beaches,
we shall fight on the landing grounds,
we shall fight in the fields and in the streets,
we shall fight in the hills;
we shall never surrender, and even if, which I do not for a moment believe, this Island or a large part of it were subjugated and starving, then our Empire beyond the seas, armed and guarded by the British Fleet, would carry on the struggle, until, in God’s good time, the New World, with all its power and might, steps forth to the rescue and the liberation of the old.

That’s the attitude and spirit of a victor, and that’s also why the Allied powers beat the Gestapo then, and we, if we too remain united, can beat the “gay”-stapo today!

Considering all of the heinous plans of the militant homosexuals (above), I for one will certainly not consider conceding a single inch of ground to the abhorrent “gay” agenda. The lovers of God and his truth shall never surrender, no matter what the Douthat’s of the world may say! He might be willing to raise the white flag of surrender, but the faithful followers of Christ will keep His banner lifted high!


TOPICS: Politics; Religion; Society
KEYWORDS: homosexualagenda
Very well-said, Jeff Allen!
1 posted on 03/13/2014 6:21:00 PM PDT by WXRGina
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To: massmike

ping


2 posted on 03/13/2014 6:22:15 PM PDT by WXRGina (The Founding Fathers would be shooting by now.)
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To: WXRGina

who the hell reads the new york times?


3 posted on 03/13/2014 6:24:22 PM PDT by panzerkamphwageneinz
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To: WXRGina

They won’t stop at gay “marriages”. They’ll target churches and eventually go after the bible since it condemns sin.

Btw, didn’t know Douthot was a conservative. Thought he was liberal Republican.


4 posted on 03/13/2014 6:31:18 PM PDT by RginTN
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To: panzerkamphwageneinz

Who reads the New York Times? Enemies of America and their dupes. And it’s good that Jeff Allen read the NYT column and the responses from other leftist sites, so we would know what these people are saying. If we ignore them, what they say today will be our nation’s policies tomorrow. Don’t doubt it.


5 posted on 03/13/2014 6:33:17 PM PDT by WXRGina (The Founding Fathers would be shooting by now.)
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To: cripplecreek

Lavender Mafia ping.


6 posted on 03/13/2014 6:37:18 PM PDT by Army Air Corps (Four Fried Chickens and a Coke)
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To: WXRGina

Given the lefts control of the media and the feckless duplicity and treachery of the country club GOP E it is probably inevitable. We need tohave ealthy Republicans buy us a media presence. And if they don’t they should pay for the mess that they and their lib elite friends cause.


7 posted on 03/13/2014 6:37:25 PM PDT by amnestynone (Lindsey Graham is feckless, duplicitous, treacherous, double dealing backstabbing Corksucker.)
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To: WXRGina

Tolerance was just a tactic, they never had any intention of being tolerance after victory, there will be camps and trains


8 posted on 03/13/2014 6:48:17 PM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans!)
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To: amnestynone

Conservatives will never own any real media it would never be allowed


9 posted on 03/13/2014 6:49:45 PM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans!)
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To: WXRGina

“Instead, all that’s left is the timing of the final victory — and for the defeated to find out what settlement the victors will impose.”

We already know what they are imposing- unconstitutional loss of 1st Amendment freedoms along with states promoting that children will not have a mother or a father to raise them.

This can only turn out well. /sarcasm


10 posted on 03/13/2014 6:56:49 PM PDT by Reddy (bo stinks)
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To: WXRGina
This needs to be pointed out consistently - homosexuality will not bring judgement upon our country; homosexuality IS the judgement. Romans 1:26 starts with "For this reason" and continues "God gave them up to vile passions." "..men with men committing what is shameful"; so this is a judgement upon our society.

It also continues and says that they give approval to others for more and more evil acts. We see this today with our legislatures accepting homosexual marriages and the teaching of it as acceptable in the schools.

It will be a never ending slide until we are put in jail for preaching the Bible, this is already going on in Canada.

And in the US, many people have lost jobs just because they had a Bible on their shelf at work which caused a homosexual to declare that this created a hostile work environment. etc. etc.

11 posted on 03/13/2014 6:56:50 PM PDT by ForYourChildren (Christian Education [ RomanRoadsMedia.com - a classical Christian approach to homeschool])
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To: WXRGina

remember, they disregard the laws they don’t like.... so should we

screw them

personally, when people ask, I tell them I’m from the ‘other’ America


12 posted on 03/13/2014 7:00:35 PM PDT by sten (fighting tyranny never goes out of style)
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To: sten

Never ever accept tyranny because we are tired of fighting!


13 posted on 03/13/2014 7:03:05 PM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans!)
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To: GeronL

Yep. “Tolerance” was an old trick word that means just the opposite of its true meaning.


14 posted on 03/13/2014 7:08:13 PM PDT by WXRGina (The Founding Fathers would be shooting by now.)
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To: WXRGina

The point of the matter is that these people can say they’re ‘married’. Doesn’t make it so, will never make it so, and we won’t be moved.

They have a piece of paper and a lie. That’s all they’ve got.


15 posted on 03/13/2014 7:13:56 PM PDT by Colonel_Flagg (Some people meet their heroes. I raised mine. Go Army.)
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To: RginTN
They won’t stop at gay “marriages”. They’ll target churches and eventually go after the bible since it condemns sin.

This will separate the wheat from the chaff. My pastor already said he will go to jail before he stops teaching every single word of God or marry homosexuals.
16 posted on 03/13/2014 7:15:52 PM PDT by Linda Frances (Woe to those who call evil good and good evil, who put darkness for light and light for darkness.)
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To: WXRGina

They will win politically no doubt, and they already won our nations godless youth, but marriage is more than just politics and polls. God is in control.


17 posted on 03/13/2014 9:36:17 PM PDT by BurningOak (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2830849/reply?c=1)
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To: ForYourChildren

Note that Romans 1:32 points out that those who approve of such conduct are just as guilty as those who engage in it. So in no manner can we be endorsing gay marriage, homosexuality or other immorality.


18 posted on 03/13/2014 11:00:49 PM PDT by kaehurowing
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To: kaehurowing

Tolerance is not the same as approval. Homosexuals can force tolerance but they cannot force approval.

I am pretty well convinced that homosexuality is often hereditary, not a behavioral choice, not always but often enough that tolerance is the right approach.


19 posted on 03/13/2014 11:09:49 PM PDT by Eva
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To: kaehurowing

Tolerance is not the same as approval. Homosexuals can force tolerance but they cannot force approval.

I am pretty well convinced that homosexuality is often hereditary, not a behavioral choice, not always but often enough that tolerance is the right approach.


20 posted on 03/13/2014 11:09:50 PM PDT by Eva
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To: WXRGina
I believe in the Bible - that also means I don't believe we will win this war. The good news is that those who don't allow the sickness that is infecting Mankind into their own lives will enjoy the Kingdom of Heaven. Those who actively support the sickness are making their own plans for eternity and we can't force them to change their reservations. All we can do is carry the Word to those who will hear it.

We can also vote, but that's a purely earthly deal vs. the real deal which is all spiritual.

21 posted on 03/14/2014 5:04:17 AM PDT by trebb (Where in the the hell has my country gone?)
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To: Eva

What do you mean by “tolerance,” Eva? Do you mean standing by and allowing the radical homosexual movement to steamroll across our land squashing the rights of those who oppose it? Have you been watching what they’re doing lately?

We are all born in sin, but no one is “born homosexual.” It is a chosen behavior. When someone finds himself experiencing warped same-sex attraction (which can arise for a number of reasons, including childhood sexual abuse), he may or may not act on it, but the moment he does, he has chosen homosexuality.


22 posted on 03/14/2014 6:46:46 AM PDT by WXRGina (The Founding Fathers would be shooting by now.)
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To: kaehurowing
Thank you, very good point that needs to be restated...

"Note that Romans 1:32 points out that those who approve of such conduct are just as guilty as those who engage in it."

23 posted on 03/14/2014 9:58:53 AM PDT by ForYourChildren (Christian Education [ RomanRoadsMedia.com - a classical Christian approach to homeschool])
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To: Eva

Hello Eva,

I am pretty well convinced that homosexuality is a deviant choice. But regardless, even if I am wrong, it is still wrong - a sin.

Being a normal male, I am born with a high attraction towards women, but it would be sin to engage partners before marriage or during marriage.

So regardless of whether homosexuality is hereditary or not, the practicing of it is a sin.

I recently came across Sam Allberry who admits to having same-sex attraction. He has written a book on this (available at Amazon) and he also “has been a pastor at St Mary’s Church, Maidenhead, UK since 2008. Prior to that he worked as the pastor for students at St Ebbe’s Church, Oxford, UK. His passion is helping people understand the significance and wonder of biblical truth.”


24 posted on 03/14/2014 10:21:07 AM PDT by ForYourChildren (Christian Education [ RomanRoadsMedia.com - a classical Christian approach to homeschool])
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To: WXRGina

I disagree, my husband’s uncle had three homosexual children, two boys and one girl. The oldest tried to live a straight life and it didn’t work out so well. His aunt has two homosexual children, one girl and one boy and I don’t know anything about his other cousins. That is just way too many homosexuals in one family. The uncle was never accepting of their lifestyle and made their lives miserable.

I went to the uncle’s funeral and the kids, then grown men, with top professional degrees, stood up and told everyone how they loved their father but didn’t like him because he had made their lives so miserable. I never heard anything like it.


25 posted on 03/14/2014 2:18:45 PM PDT by Eva
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To: Eva; ForYourChildren

Eva, citing a family with several homosexual members does not prove it is genetic. It only demonstrates—as the Bible says—that the sins of the fathers are visited on the children. The tendency toward certain sins are indeed found among families, but just because someone may tend toward theft or heavy drinking doesn’t mean they were born thieves or alcoholics.

As ForYourChildren said, homosexual lust and behavior is a sin, period.

And, I get it—you disagree.


26 posted on 03/14/2014 4:05:29 PM PDT by WXRGina (The Founding Fathers would be shooting by now.)
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