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Windows XP Upgrade Question
n/a ^ | 03/15/2014 | Me

Posted on 03/15/2014 7:57:07 AM PDT by tbw2

Need advice on upgrading from Windows XP to Windows 7


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KEYWORDS: computers; dsj; techsupport; windowsupgrade; windowsxp
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I need to upgrade my Windows XP machine. I do not want to get Windows 8, prefer Windows 7. Absolutely do not want to use a cloud service where I copy all my data to their servers and then have it migrated back. Given those constraints, what is the easiest and/or least painful way to upgrade from Windows XP to Windows 7?
1 posted on 03/15/2014 7:57:07 AM PDT by tbw2
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To: tbw2
Here's an option: Migrate XP to Windows 7 with Easy Transfer and a USB
2 posted on 03/15/2014 7:59:08 AM PDT by tomkat (3%+1)
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To: tbw2

Save ALL your important data, program installers (with license keys), bookmarks/favorites, network configs, etc. to an external hard drive. Do a fresh install of winders 7 (make sure the hardware is compatible). Then reconnect to your network, reinstall programs, and move data back.

Figure a weekend worth of time.


3 posted on 03/15/2014 8:03:17 AM PDT by petro45acp (It's a fabian thing.....how do you boil a frog? How's that water feelin right about now?)
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To: tbw2

Did you download Microsoft’s Windows 7 Upgrade Advisor to see if your computer can run Windows 7 ?


4 posted on 03/15/2014 8:04:43 AM PDT by molson209 (Hillary Clinton)
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To: tbw2

Don’t do an upgrade.

Do a clean install. Transfer all of your files to a USB memory device, and then when you get to the point in the windows install where it asks where you want to install it, delete the partition(s) then select new partition format it and then install it to that partition.

Then reload all of your applications. Then bring back your data.

Windows 8 is better than 7 because it is faster and consumes fewer system resources. I don’t particularly dig the new “start menu” but tolerate it.


5 posted on 03/15/2014 8:05:41 AM PDT by Ouderkirk (To the left, everything must evidence that this or that strand of leftist theory is true)
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To: tbw2

Buy yourself a new hard disc and do a clean install. I went SSD.


6 posted on 03/15/2014 8:08:54 AM PDT by VRWC For Truth (Roberts has perverted the Constitution)
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To: tbw2

Rather than an upgrade, it might be easiest to get an OEM copy of 7 and a new hard drive to install it on. It will give you a nice clean system. Something to consider.


7 posted on 03/15/2014 8:10:06 AM PDT by Kirkwood (Zombie Hunter)
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To: tbw2
what is the easiest and/or least painful way to upgrade from Windows XP to Windows 7?

All applications will need to be reinstalled. Gather up your install disks and license keys and whatnot.

Install the XP component of the Windows 7 "Windows Easy Transfer" program. Run it, and have it bundle up your docs, pictures, music, etc. etc. Have it save it to an USB hard disk or memory stick.

When I do that I also use ntbackup to back up various items, also saving the backup file to an usb hard disk. Belt and suspenders, just in case windows easy transfer doesn't get something. Win 7 doesn't have ntbackup, but there is a utility that can be downloaded from Micro$oft to recover files from the older backup utility.

Go to the manufacturer's web site and download Win 7 drivers for your hardware.

Boot your install DVD, format the disk and install Win7.

Once Win 7 is up and running, use Windows Easy Transfer to recover your user profile.

8 posted on 03/15/2014 8:10:11 AM PDT by Lee N. Field (I beat wasp nests with a stick for fun.)
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To: tbw2

M4L


9 posted on 03/15/2014 8:10:23 AM PDT by Scrambler Bob ("The Pen" has a nice ring to it, kind of like "Graybar Hotel")
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To: tbw2

Download Microsoft’s Windows 7 Upgrade Advisor to see if your computer can run Windows 7 ,it may save a ton of trouble .


10 posted on 03/15/2014 8:12:04 AM PDT by molson209 (Hillary Clinton)
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To: tbw2
Facts:
11 posted on 03/15/2014 8:13:52 AM PDT by BubbaBasher ("Liberty will not long survive the total extinction of morals" - Sam Adams)
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To: Ouderkirk

Good advice!

You definitely want a clean install. Also, you won’t have a choice if you are migrating from XP 32-bit to 64-bit 7 or 8.x.

Windows 7 is pretty nice but I’d go as far to say that if you are going to upgrade from XP, jump to 8.1 and be done with it. I’m definitely not a “Metro” fan but Windows 8.1 with Classic Shell is pretty darn good.

YMMV


12 posted on 03/15/2014 8:15:25 AM PDT by Mr Fuji
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To: BubbaBasher
If you buy the upgrade version you can't do a clean install. You must have XP installed.

Incorrect. An "upgrade" disk contains the entire ISO of Win7 and just needs a windows XP disk to verify license before it installs. It never actually needs XP installed.

13 posted on 03/15/2014 8:17:39 AM PDT by miliantnutcase
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To: tbw2

I found it easier to buy a Win7 desktop, because my XP crashed and died.

Prices on new laptops and desktops are low. You might consider that purchase. XP machines were limited to 4 gb memory (IIRC).

Additionally, you need to check which software and hardware might not work under Win7. I lost several software programs. They were too old and no upgrades or comparable replacements were available. I did manage to finagle a few other programs to work partially or fully under Win7. I also lost an older desktop laser printer because no one created a driver for the 64-bit Windows 7.


14 posted on 03/15/2014 8:19:52 AM PDT by TomGuy
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To: tbw2
Running the upgrade advisor is vital. I would just buy a new PC and using Windows Easy Transfer program and a transfer cable or external hard drive, move my data to the new PC. You would have to install your software on the new machine first.

If you don;t like Windows 8, you can use one of the free utilities that bring back the start button and the program menu. Start Menu 8 from IOBIT and classic shell from Classic Shell will do the trick.

If your current CPU is not a core2 Duo or better, why bother?

15 posted on 03/15/2014 8:21:25 AM PDT by johncatl (...governs least, governs best.)
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To: TomGuy
I also lost an older desktop laser printer because no one created a driver for the 64-bit Windows 7.

Most laser printers are compatible with the generic HP Laserjet drivers.

16 posted on 03/15/2014 8:22:48 AM PDT by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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To: petro45acp

I recently did this for two PCs. Easy Transfer is good, but not perfect. I used a networked external hard drive for the Easy Transfer files, but found that a lot of data wasn’t included if the default storage locations (pictures not in “My Pictures” for example) didn’t have all the data you wanted to migrate. Pay particular attention to where that stuff is on the XP install, modify the default Easy Transfer settings to match, and also make a separate backup of anything critical just in case.

Make a list of programs you like and need (7-Zip, a PDF reader, etc) so you can re-install the W7 versions after the switch, and make sure you know if you are running 32 or 64 bit W7 so you can choose the right versions.

Be prepared to wait a long time for all the W7 updates to download and install. I think the earlier estimate of a weekend for the project is a good one.

Also, I went from two ten year old PC’s to new machines, and didn’t have to worry if my old hardware was up to W7 standards. If you plan on loading W7 on an older XP PC, you might double check the system requirements for W7.

Good luck.


17 posted on 03/15/2014 8:23:30 AM PDT by M1911A1
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To: Mr Fuji
Windows 8.1 with Classic Shell is pretty darn good.

Agree.

18 posted on 03/15/2014 8:27:48 AM PDT by Jeff Chandler (Obamacare: You can't make an omelette without breaking a few eggs.)
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To: tbw2

Just purchase an OEM copy of Win 7 for about $140. Bring up your XP start the Win 7 install disk and pick upgrade a pervious version of windows. Most of your settings and most drivers will still be there. You may have to go to one or two vendor sites for upgrades but it will work.


19 posted on 03/15/2014 8:33:04 AM PDT by BuffaloJack (Freedom isn't free; nor is it easy. END ALL TOTALITARIAN ACTIVITY NOW.)
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To: tbw2

My goodness, how old is a computer that came with XP. How much money do you have wrapped up in it?

Is it a heart lung machine running on XP? Take that computer off the grid and run XP infinitum.


20 posted on 03/15/2014 8:34:20 AM PDT by ImJustAnotherOkie (zerogottago)
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To: molson209

I didn’t want to install anything without knowing what was best.


21 posted on 03/15/2014 8:53:01 AM PDT by tbw2
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To: tbw2
I need to upgrade my Windows XP machine.
Actually, I think you should upgrade to a new PC with Win 7 already installed. Preferably, Win 7 Pro - it handles older software a lot better than the Home version.
It will cost a few hundred dollars more, but you won't believe how much better/faster your new PC is. I did it a year ago and I'm still amazed.
Technically, you should never have any data files stored on the hard drive. But if you do, use a thumb drive to transfer.
22 posted on 03/15/2014 8:58:31 AM PDT by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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To: tbw2

It is very easy. You just trash your old box and buy a Mac. You use Parallels to install Windows 7. It runs blazingly fast.

It does however, open you up to malware, viruses, etc.


23 posted on 03/15/2014 9:01:12 AM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion
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To: M1911A1

I’m with those who suggest you just get a new computer with W7 already installed. This will probably also upgrade you to a 64 bit machine instead of obsolete 32 bit. You can get a good laptop with 3rd generation Core processor (Core i3, or i5 followed by 3xxx) for under $400 if you shop around. Delete all the bloat software first, then load up all the most popular free programs that you want all at once at Ninite (ninite.com), load all the other programs you use that are not on Ninite, then transfer all your data files using an external hard drive or network drive. Shouldn’t take more than 3 to 4 hours max, depending on how much data you have. It will go a lot faster if your new computer has a USB 3 port, and the external hard drive is USB 3 compatible. Then keep the old computer around for awhile to make sure that you’ve got everything off of it that you need.


24 posted on 03/15/2014 9:05:35 AM PDT by B.Bumbleberry
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To: M1911A1

We are in agreement. Build new is the best bet.

Nice handle!!


25 posted on 03/15/2014 9:25:19 AM PDT by petro45acp (It's a fabian thing.....how do you boil a frog? How's that water feelin right about now?)
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To: tbw2

If you want to stay with Win (and install Win7), back-up all of your important files.. do a fresh install of Win7.


26 posted on 03/15/2014 9:26:29 AM PDT by Bikkuri ( those would have been affected.)
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To: tbw2

You can control what is or is not uploaded to the cloud. The cloud service in windows 8 is actually pretty awesome. You simply need to take the time to manage your data and what you put on it. You dont have to use a windows live enabled account. When you log in for the first time, just use a local account.

If you want to install 7, do a clean installation. Backup your user data to some type of external hard drive or USB flash drive. The main folders you need to capture are documents, desktop, and favorites. They are located at

c:\documents and settings\*your user account name*

In windows 7 they are in:

c:\users\*your user name*

once you back these files up, just boot off of a windows 7 dvd or prepared windows 7 flash media. If you want to purchase windows 7, you can find it in the microsoft store or at a retail place. If you purchase it online, you will get an ISO file that you can burn to a dvd or use the Windows 7 to usb tool released for free by microsoft. It is super easy to use and requires at least a 4 gig usb flash stick.

When you are backed up and ready, disconnect all hard drives except the one you want to install windows to. Once you boot up off the disk or the flash stick, just accept the eula’s, or read them lol, and you will be asked to format the drive. Delete all partitions, then create new ones, then choose that location to install windows to. It will create 2 partitions, you can only choose to install to the larger one.

Once the install is complete, the system will boot for the first time and you will go through the out of box setup where you create your local user account and name the computer, set update options.

Some tips:

change the control panel view and choose to view by large or small icons

disable user account control in:

control panel, user accounts, change user account control settings

place the “computer” and “control panel” icon on the desktop:

right click on an open spot on the desktop and select “personalize”, click change desktop icons, place check marks on the icons you want, click apply, then click ok

Run windows update, also found in control panel

Once you reinstall all your software like java, flash, adobe apps, winrar, vlc player stuff like that, copy your backed up files back into their appropriate folders. Their location is already noted for Windows 7.

Once everything is wrapped up and ready to go, run windows backup and create a system restore image. There is a check box for it when you run windows backup. It will save your butt if your drive craters or some update or virus smokes your computer. Restoring that image only requires you to boot off of a recovery disk or the installation disk.

I think that about covers it.


27 posted on 03/15/2014 9:46:55 AM PDT by drunknsage
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To: tbw2

Well, does your old machine have at least an i3 CPU, 4GB RAM, and 320GB HD? Because if not, even if you manage to get W7 installed, it’ll run so slow (if it runs at all), that the upgrade will have been pointless.

Your other issue is finding drivers. If your PC is really old, you’ll have a hard time in finding W7 drivers for it, or not find them at all. In any case, you won’t find vendor support, but will have to go to blogs and chip makers to find the drivers.

And yes, you must do a clean install, meaning copy off data first, then recopy data on and reinstall all programs from scratch.

You’d be WAY better off to buy a new Windows 7 Pro x64 Dell Optiplex 3020 with 3-yr Dell factory warranty for $640.00, especially when you consider the cost of retail W7 and any other hardware upgrades you’re considering:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16883156082&nm_mc=TEMC-RMA-Approvel&cm_mmc=TEMC-RMA-Approvel-_-Content-_-text-_-


28 posted on 03/15/2014 9:47:38 AM PDT by catnipman (Cat Nipman: Vote Republican in 2012 and only be called racist one more time!)
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To: tbw2

Bookmarking since I face the same situation.


29 posted on 03/15/2014 9:50:27 AM PDT by OldPossum ("It's" is the contraction of "it" and "is"; think about ITS implications.)
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To: tbw2

One huge thing i forgot

Make sure you pre-download your network drivers BEFORE you install. Store them on a flash disk, portable drive, or burn them to dvd.

One of the biggest mistakes people make are forgetting these drivers. Most windows installation media will include some network drivers but not all of them and you dont want to be caught with your only pc with no drivers and no network access to download them. There is a box in windows update you can check that allows windows update to download some drivers but not all of them will be found here.

On OEM computers, you can go to the manufacturer’s website and download the latest drivers. If you know what your device is and who makes it, like an nvidia or AMD video card, you can go to their site and download drivers. Intel really makes things easy with the intel driver update tool. This site will cover most, if not all, of your intel drivers .


30 posted on 03/15/2014 10:00:43 AM PDT by drunknsage
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To: tomkat

This bump is 4me...


31 posted on 03/15/2014 10:04:39 AM PDT by harpu ( "...it's better to be hated for who you are than loved for someone you're not!")
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To: tbw2
All good advice

but the question about how old is you pc is valid because here is the thing.

One is with windows 7 on old system with limited memory and hard disk space you might have a real slug.. say 2 gig mem and 250 gig drive minimum but more far better

And more important you might be able to find a low end new or refurbish pc with better hardware then your old xp box and WITH WINDOW 7 License on it for the same cost as just buying window 7 outright
Try microcenter..there on line but if a store near you the better..look at lease returned referbs..and store return. And look at bundle deals...

then make you old pc a Linux box sell it if you want...even sell you xp license..get another 50 60 bucks out of both

32 posted on 03/15/2014 10:24:29 AM PDT by tophat9000 (Are we headed to a Cracker Slacker War?)
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To: drunknsage

Good point on the network drivers. Shouldn’t be an issue, but why take chances? I had secondary internet access and a big flash drive for such emergencies, but not everyone will be in that boat.

I’m going to try the Windows Update Downloader for my next reinstall, might even slipstream it with the installation. The number of updates for a clean install of W7 SP1 is mind boggling.

If the OP is on a budget, you can do what we did and clean install W7 on off lease machines with wiped drives. We are running Home Premium and Ultimate on Core 2 Duo 2.8 Ghz workstations with 4 and 8 gigs of RAM, and they are plenty fast enough for us, the 750GB hard drives seem roomy, and we got them for a song. Not the latest and greatest by any stretch of the imagination, but a huge step up from the venerable Dell 4550s we were running XP on.

Oh, and if you haven’t purchased the OS yet, my kid runs W8 and loves it, and as others have pointed out, if you don’t like the PlaySkool interface you can change it.


33 posted on 03/15/2014 10:34:21 AM PDT by M1911A1
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To: tophat9000

Just fyi..I just check at microcenter on line

window 7 home oem by itself is 99 bucks

a lease return box with window 7 License on it is 89 bucks with 1 gig mem..

99 bucks for a lenovo with 7 and 2 gig of mem and 160 gig drive and core duo


34 posted on 03/15/2014 10:46:22 AM PDT by tophat9000 (Are we headed to a Cracker Slacker War?)
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To: ImJustAnotherOkie
My goodness, how old is a computer that came with XP. How much money do you have wrapped up in it?

I'm running a 2007-ish vintage laptop dualbooting Win7 and Ubuntu 13.10. The XP license on the bottom is irrelevant. It runs fine. Money wrapped up in it is a replacement 500gb hard disk, that could move to a new machine in a heartbeat.

Is it a heart lung machine running on XP? Take that computer off the grid and run XP infinitum.

XP Embedded has a different end-of-life date than XP. And I wouldn't be remotely surprised to find old software running on medical equipment. Old and tested is better here than bleeding edge.

35 posted on 03/15/2014 10:50:18 AM PDT by Lee N. Field (I beat wasp nests with a stick for fun.)
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To: Lee N. Field

Last I heard, most of the ATM’s are using XP also.


36 posted on 03/15/2014 10:55:16 AM PDT by ImJustAnotherOkie (zerogottago)
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To: tophat9000

Fyi 2 gig sys with 7 pro 120 bucks

system w 4 gig 7 home and 250 gig drive 150 bucks

my point is a you can get a system with with windows 7 and far better hardware then 99 percent of the old xp boxes out there for the same cost of window 7 by itself...

it really makes no cost sense these days to upgade an old xp box to window 7...


37 posted on 03/15/2014 11:06:25 AM PDT by tophat9000 (Are we headed to a Cracker Slacker War?)
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To: tbw2
If you decide to go new PC, I recommend a Dell refurb ... Price: $349.00
38 posted on 03/15/2014 11:22:03 AM PDT by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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To: tbw2
I need to upgrade my Windows XP machine. I do not want to get Windows 8, prefer Windows 7.

The good news is that you can.
The bad news is that it's made as difficult as possible, Courtesy of Microsoft through their retailers.

I decided to replace my 6-yr-old Pentium 4 32-bit desktop late in 2013.
I chose an I5 Lenovo, which came with Win 8 installed. Win7 was not a free option (as it has been in the past, when buying a new system, to downgrade to the previous stable Windows version.)

I could have it done if I bought a new Win 7 64-bit software, $130, and pay for the "tricky installation," so described, an additional $150 or so. I opted not to.

I truly hope you can find a more rational option, perhaps preserving the Win 8 64-bit installation already paid for, with the option of re-installing it at a later date.

I never figured out how to do that without the onerous extra expense. I will be looking at this thread for hope of a reasonable alternative.

39 posted on 03/15/2014 11:26:22 AM PDT by publius911 ( At least Nixon had the good g race to resign!)
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To: publius911
I chose an I5 Lenovo, which came with Win 8 installed. Win7 was not a free option (as it has been in the past, when buying a new system, to downgrade to the previous stable Windows version.)

You can "downgrade" Win 8 Pro to Win 7 Pro at no cost. Home versions, no.

40 posted on 03/15/2014 11:49:07 AM PDT by Lee N. Field ("I've studied bible prophecy 30 years." usually means "I've never heard of Geerhardus Vos.")
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To: tbw2

If you have software such as Acronis True Image, you can make a compressed (much smaller) backup of your system drive to another drive or a second partition on your only hard drive.

You can then later mount that image and READ only from it to copy your data files back onto your new win 7 partition. By keeping that image backup you can at anytime restore your XP partition if it is needed for something you overlooked.

I keep a second (cloned) unmounted (without a hard drive letter)”backup” hard drive of my boot drive so if I hose up my main drive I can immediately boot into the backup drive via a BIOS hard drive boot priority change and then have everything immediately available to quickly restore my main drive.

Acronis is a great program and if carefully used can do a lot of good and save tremendous amounts of time.

A compressed copy of ones main drive doesn’t have to be as large as the main drive to hold the main partition, it only needs to be large enough to contain all of the data from the main drive.

In any case, I recommend keeping all data files on a separate hard drive so if the main drives fails or gets hosed you still have the data safe.

I do install and uninstall a lot of trial software and by keeping a bootable clone copy of my main drive I can quickly revert back to pristine condition.

Since all my data is on a second drive, I can restore the main (OS) drive and immediately have all of my current data available.

Another advantage of keeping data on a second drive is if the main drive fails or gets corrupted your data is safe.

I keep everything from my main machine, non OS drive, copied onto my media server and everything from my media server on my main machine as well. That way I have redundant backups of everything.

I do have two powerful machines each of which contains over 15 TB of hard drive space. I do not use or recommend raid for my data files but I do assign my hard drives to various file types for videos. If a single drive fails, I simply capy back from the backup copy on the other machine and I am good to go.

using something as raid 5 requires all the assigned drives to be powered up even if one only wants to retrieve a single file. Using my non-raid setup only requires the single drive to be up and running. which uses less electricity and gives a longer hard drive life.

My way IS more expensive but safer in the long run and avoids losing everything if more then one drive fails at a time.


41 posted on 03/15/2014 2:46:54 PM PDT by dglang
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To: ShadowAce

Tech list important PING!


42 posted on 03/15/2014 2:47:48 PM PDT by CedarDave (Obama - "That's the good thing as a President, I can do whatever I want" (02/10/14 declaration))
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To: M1911A1

If you do a usb stick type install of windows 7, you can grab the WSUSoffline program directly from MS, pull the install.wim out of the “sources” folder, mount it using dism (DISM GUI will save your fingers from command line), and inject the windows updates. That may be what you are referring to. Drop the install.wim back on the USB and you just saved a massive amount of time waiting on 4 hours of updates. DISM is included for free as part of the WAIK tool set.

I really like windows 8 but it’s far from perfect. That scenario I listed above is not possible with a retail install because Microsoft encrypts the install.wim and it reads as install.esd. Dare i even mention the total, absolute, boondoggle of a clean install of the 8.1 upgrade from 8. There are work arounds using KMS activaton keys to get through the install and it activates with your win8 key, but still, how stupid that you have to do a workaround. My custom built desktop couldnt even be upgraded due to errors and issues.

My latest windows 8 toy is a Dell latitude 10 pro tablet. I LOVE LOVE LOVE this thing. It only has a dual core atom and 64 gig SSD, 2 gigs of ram, but it rocks for work. Im shocked at how snappy it is. My boss complained that it was slow, but I dont notice any hesitation or issues. I carry all of my client documentation on it and its nice being able to pull this out then hauling around my old laptop.

My fiance and I nearly fight over this thing when I get home. I set up some of the new Dell Venue 11’s for a client and they were killer but run over $1000 depending on options. I think you can get latitude 10’s for around $300 to $400 with the dock. The Netflix windows 8 app is awesome for those who are into home theater PC’s. We watch all of our television using Xfinity’s website on the Metro version of IE lends itself very well to home theater use. The big buttons and interface are a welcome change.

Lately we started playing with the Metro cooking app. Im amazed at what is on here and it is literally a free, full blown cooking and meal planning assistant. There are how to videos on all aspects of cooking.

Here is one last tip for those following this thread. Have you heard of Office Online?

https://office.com/start/default.aspx

If you sign in with a hotmail, outlook, xbox, or windows live account you can access a web version of Office for free. Great for those out of a job and needing to update their resumes. Im constantly amazed at what Microsoft gives away for free. Im no MS fanboy but their free tools and services have helped me advance my career. I went from $12 to $25 an hour in a few years thanks to their programs like Microsoft Dream Spark.


43 posted on 03/15/2014 3:30:17 PM PDT by drunknsage
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bkmk


44 posted on 03/15/2014 3:40:00 PM PDT by Faith65 (Jesus Christ is my Lord and Savior!)
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To: tophat9000

thanks for the legwork Tophat. Bump


45 posted on 03/15/2014 3:54:44 PM PDT by GirlShortstop (Every person has a duty to seek and serve the truth. Abp Charles J. Chaput, OFMCap)
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To: catnipman
Good thoughts on loading W7 on older hardware. Have a Dell with Core2Duo, but now wonder if buying a W7 DVD just in case was a waste of time.

Will likely go the new box route, no patience to chase down new drivers and what not.

46 posted on 03/15/2014 8:05:10 PM PDT by doorgunner69
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To: doorgunner69

“Core2Duo, but now wonder if buying a W7 DVD just in case was a waste of time.”

Core2Duo would run W7, but a bit slowly, though the other issues would still remain.

You can always sell the W7 retail copy on ebay if you go the new box route.


47 posted on 03/15/2014 8:54:37 PM PDT by catnipman (Cat Nipman: Vote Republican in 2012 and only be called racist one more time!)
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To: tbw2

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48 posted on 03/15/2014 9:56:28 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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49 posted on 03/16/2014 5:46:26 AM PDT by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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To: aMorePerfectUnion

Buying a Mac to run Windows increases his cost an order of magnitude and doesn’t gain him a thing.

I know you guys enjoy doing the buy a Mac thing but it really isn’t helpful.


50 posted on 03/16/2014 5:49:12 AM PDT by dangerdoc (I don't think you should be forced to make the same decision I did even if I know I'm right.)
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