Skip to comments.The Crimean Plebiscite - it's the Sudetenland 76 years later
Posted on 03/16/2014 6:48:24 PM PDT by lifeofgrace
Seventy-six years ago, the Sudetenland crisis was the headline in the worlds newspapers. This revolved around the right of ethnic Germans living in what was then called Czechoslovakia, whom it was claimed were living under an oppressive Czech government who banned their language, traditions and free speech.
Konrad Henlein, the leader of the Czech NSDAP (Nazi party), led the effort for Sudeten independence, with ever-increasing demands on the Czech government. In reality, Henlein was working under strict orders from Berlin, and when the Czech government capitulated to every demand to avoid a German invasion, the demands turned into manufactured and staged stories of Czech aggression, and finally Henlein disappeared quietly over the German border.
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Sadly, the Putin cheerleaders from the Paulbot and DU will be arriving.
Some may even work for Putin.
Sudetenland was part of the Austro-Hungarian empire and then Czhechoslovakia. It had never been part of Germany, which came into existence only in 1870.
Crimea was Russian from 1783 to 1954, when General Secretary Nikita Khrushchev (a Ukrainian) gave it to the Ukrainian SSR (a constituent republic of the USSR) as an expression of brotherly love.
There is no comparison for someone who actually knows the history.
Khrushchev was Russian, but he was Stalin’s man in the Ukraine in the 1940s.
At the time, he was consolidating his power, and he needed to win over the Ukrainians he ruled over, so as a cheap, political gimmick, he “gave” them Crimea, although, in reality, it was nothing but a symbolic gesture.
I liken it more to the Nazis marching into the Rhineland, than the Sudetenland.
Right you are. The Crimea is not a modern-day Sudetenland. But please don't tell that to the neo-cons. They want perpetual war, everywhere and all the time.
After all, America must be in everyone's business, everywhere and all the time.
Comparisons to the annexation of Hawaii are fun... though over Obama’s head...
The Putin apologists and propagandists here, usuful idiots, I think, rather than paid lackey, are ready to explain away Gulag!
Strawman fallacy filled nonsense.
The people of Crimea today have a right to self determination. And that right to self determination doesn't include a so called "election" which took place after the arrival of an invading army.
But in your stupid world one becomes a "neo-con" and a warmonger simply because they defend the right to the sovereignty of a country, the inalienable right to self determination and the principle of fair elections.
I suspect that only way the the FR Putin apologists could have questioned the results of this referendum would have been if Jimmah Cahtah had participated as an observer. Parochial interests always overrule common sense.
On the other hand, you left out the part where the Crimean Tatars were deported to Siberia, and ethnic Russians allowed to take their place. True enough Tatars were allowed to return to Crimea ... some of them.
As always, history is a little more complicated than we would like it to be.
Yup, and the Russians did the same to Eastern Ukraine.
It’s how places become ‘pro-russian’.
And Ukrainians moved into Galicia and kicked out the Poles.
No. In my "stupid" world one becomes a neo-con when one insists on being the moral arbiter of everything, everywhere, all the time.
America crushed an internal rebellion in 1865. But no other nation may crush an internal rebellion unless America approves. Everything, everywhere is the business of a neo-con.
Don't get me wrong. America has vital interests to defend. But those interests are not everywhere, all the time. That's how empires go broke.
The folks in Crimea have an inalienable right to a fair election.
Putin is the one who insisted on invading Crimea before the election.
You are the one who supports Putin's invasion.
Yet in your world, you and Putin aren't the "moral arbiters of everything".
And folks who point out that your point of view is wrong are "neo-cons".
What about folks in North Korea?
so picking a date from 300 years ago to determine borders is pointless.
A foreign army rolling in 80000 soldiers and having a ‘vote’ is not an ‘internal rebellion’. It’s an invasion.
You either respect and defend a nation’s sovereignty, or you pay for it ten-fold later.
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