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Prepping and the Mind
Survival Blog ^ | 3/14 | D.R.

Posted on 03/18/2014 4:16:10 PM PDT by Kartographer

When people talk about "The End Of The World As We Know It” (TEOTWAWKI), it is almost always in ways of how we might prepare for the end, what equipment to have, how much food to store, and what skills we must learn. These are all valid points. Most people can agree on common standards in these areas, but what if the act of preparing for the end can cause danger to yourself and your family?

I'm not mocking prepping; I'm a prepper myself. I'm simply stating that a prepper must be in the correct mindset to make choices they may not have expected to make. Say a disaster happens; you've prepared for this years ago, and you know what to do. You go home, get your bug out bag, and get to your bug out location, which you have stocked with ammo, food, and everything you need to survive for at least a year. What if that location becomes compromised? Maybe, word got around about a guy with a lot of gear and food, and people slowly started to flock to your location. Some went to ask for food, and some that want to take it. What do you do?

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1 posted on 03/18/2014 4:16:10 PM PDT by Kartographer
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To: appalachian_dweller; OldPossum; DuncanWaring; VirginiaMom; CodeToad; goosie; kalee; ...

Preppers’ PING!!


2 posted on 03/18/2014 4:16:50 PM PDT by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: Kartographer
Adm. James Bond Stockdale, reflecting on his time checked-in at the Hanoi Hilton, said something we should all take to heart:
This is a very important lesson. You must never confuse faith that you will prevail in the end—which you can never afford to lose—with the discipline to confront the most brutal facts of your current reality, whatever they might be.

3 posted on 03/18/2014 4:25:56 PM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: Kartographer
Maybe, word got around about a guy with a lot of gear and food, and people slowly started to flock to your location. Some went to ask for food, and some that want to take it. What do you do?

If you've got soap, shaving cream, shampoo, laundry detergent, nearly unlimited well water, electricity, a year's supply of food, ammo, medicine, etc, perhaps you don't want to advertise it too much. I've thought a lot about whether to shave, keep my whites white and colors bright, and keep my hair conspicuously clean and combed in a SHTF situation. Do I want to advertise that I have an abundance of water? I've thought about how much electricity to use even if I have a surplus. Do I want that AC running and humming in the summertime? If I have enough and prepared neighbors, we can all be clean together and protect our homes together. If half of my neighbors are zombies, I may want to keep quiet about how comfortable my family is until their parasitic nature gets resolved one way or another.

4 posted on 03/18/2014 4:29:34 PM PDT by Pollster1 ("Shall not be infringed" is unambiguous.)
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To: Kartographer
From the article:

In conclusion, I now only believe that the people truly prepared for disasters are the ones that are ready and confident to do so with NO supplies.

Positive mental attitude (PMA). Leadership skills and people skills are ALWAYS in short supply.

And an extra helping of Bacon always helps.

5 posted on 03/18/2014 4:33:48 PM PDT by VRW Conspirator ( 2+2 = V)
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To: DuncanWaring
"You must never confuse faith —with the discipline to confront"-... Excellent Duncan...

Agreed your mindset is more important than supplies.....

"Maybe, word got around about a guy with a lot of gear and food, and people slowly started to flock to your location."

A man I know used to live in a poor rural area besought with petty crime. All the houses in the area were a little bit shabby but if you went inside they were very nice.. the point is that no one wanted to display their wealth.... very different than what you see in neighborhoods today...

6 posted on 03/18/2014 4:36:53 PM PDT by virgil283 (When the sun spins, the cross appears, and the skies burn red)
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To: Kartographer
Today I came across this

www.newmediaexplorer.org/chris/2004/04/14/cool_fridge_without_using_electricity.htm

Keep things cool without electricity. When I was a kid the old lady next door had a crock pot covered with a damp towel to keep her food cool.

7 posted on 03/18/2014 4:37:40 PM PDT by mountainlion
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To: Pollster1

also consider what may happen if some of the ‘prepared’ neighbors run out.


8 posted on 03/18/2014 4:38:38 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: Kartographer

This has nothing to do with the article. There is a disease going through swine herds right now and if they don’t get a hold of it pork prices are going to soar. Beef is already in short supply because of the long drought and chicken will go up from demand, so if you have the money you should fill your freezer now.


9 posted on 03/18/2014 4:46:29 PM PDT by tiki
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To: Secret Agent Man
also consider what may happen if some of the ‘prepared’ neighbors run out.

I also consider what may happen if I try to survive completely on my own, and I think that is a bigger risk, although OPSEC matters even with apparent allies. I have a neighborhood map listing critical information. Who shoots? Who gets things done? Who is good with particular tasks? Who voted Obama? That last trait is the most important information of all - those are the dangerous ones in a tough situation.

10 posted on 03/18/2014 4:56:50 PM PDT by Pollster1 ("Shall not be infringed" is unambiguous.)
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To: Pollster1
I may want to keep quiet about how comfortable my family is until their parasitic nature gets resolved one way or another.

I've posted this a while back, but here's another angle to consider: If food or other necessities get tight and the line forms to the right at the distribution center, SHOW UP, even if you have plenty. If you don't, and you're known in the community, inquiring minds might ask why you are not there, and come and check out your inventory for themselves.

11 posted on 03/18/2014 5:25:36 PM PDT by Oatka (This is America. Assimilate or evaporate.)
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To: Pollster1

of course, yoiu should. i am just saying think about others that are “prepared” but either not too well, or aren’t doing anything/right things to stay stocked. people can’ t let the guard down just b/c someone in the neighborhood appears okay. it’s too easy to write off someone as a non-threat and ever periodically re-assess.


12 posted on 03/18/2014 5:34:05 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: Kartographer

We’ve lived in our isolated area almost 30 yrs. Husband has a reputation for being “difficult” (he has lots of KEEP OUT signs in the driveway and a reputation for being “snotty”). Most are retired out here; and maybe we would be able to work together, share skills and help each other survive. - We live pretty simple. Spiritual readiness will most likely be way up there on the list of important things. (Not weirdo spiritual readiness; but down to earth respect and godly attitudes.) - We’ve been at this ever since Y2K; so are old hands at it. Bugging out isn’t an option; here we stand.


13 posted on 03/18/2014 5:34:15 PM PDT by Twinkie (John 3:16)
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To: Kartographer

Unrelated prepping topic - trash talk:

Has anyone looked at the trash our families generate each week and thought about how our trash would differ in a SHTF situation? Most of us don’t waste food now, even when it’s plentiful, but there may be a lot we throw away that could be used otherwise.

1. Anything burnable with no better use would be burned - for heating, for cooking, or for some other situation requiring fire.

2. Anything metal would likely have a better use than throwing it away - whether as a storage container, as a series of cans turned into a pipe, or hammered into another shape, and there would be less metal being “used up” in any case.

3. The rare inedible (and non-meat) food would go into compost pile, with much more attention to composting than today.

Other ideas about trash?


14 posted on 03/18/2014 5:53:10 PM PDT by Pollster1 ("Shall not be infringed" is unambiguous.)
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To: Kartographer

The part of the article talking about “no supplies survivors” is textbook survival bias.


15 posted on 03/18/2014 5:58:20 PM PDT by Stentor (Maybe the Goldman Sachs thing is just a coincidence.)
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To: Pollster1

Your post, combined with the comments above made me think of something you should consider: After the SHTF, if people look through your trash, they will know what you had and may wonder if you have more they can get you to part with.


16 posted on 03/18/2014 7:03:33 PM PDT by rimtop56
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To: mountainlion
Keep things cool without electricity. When I was a kid the old lady next door had a crock pot covered with a damp towel to keep her food cool.

Yes, it's called a zeer.

17 posted on 03/18/2014 10:32:10 PM PDT by bgill
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To: tiki

Pork has already gone up nearly double here.


18 posted on 03/18/2014 10:33:05 PM PDT by bgill
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To: Twinkie
Bugging out isn’t an option; here we stand.

I have to disagree with the article, most people won't be staying because of their "stuff", they'll be staying because they can't. Maybe they aren't physically able to hike out into the great beyond with just a backpack. Maybe they have loved ones who aren't able to survive without them and who also can't hike to the great beyond. Maybe there is no safe area in the beyond. Maybe there's no destination. I'm staying put as long as possible.

19 posted on 03/18/2014 10:40:37 PM PDT by bgill
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To: rimtop56
Your post, combined with the comments above made me think of something you should consider: After the SHTF, if people look through your trash, they will know what you had and may wonder if you have more they can get you to part with.

It's not "if". People who are hungry will look through trash and anything else in the open, and if SHTF people will be hungry. Trash is a source of resources for the prepper and for zombies, and it should be a major OPSEC concern.

20 posted on 03/19/2014 3:24:12 AM PDT by Pollster1 ("Shall not be infringed" is unambiguous.)
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To: Pollster1

Knowing which people are proven to have poor judgement is worthwhile for sure.


21 posted on 03/19/2014 3:48:06 AM PDT by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: Pollster1

I’m sort of thinking the trash pick up guys won’t be running their usual schedules, if they will be collecting trash at all.
Get baggy clothes so you look like you have been missing meals.


22 posted on 03/19/2014 12:01:22 PM PDT by SisterK (behold a pale horse)
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To: SisterK
I'm thinking that also about trash pickup, but chances are I won't be storing all my trash indoors either. It has to go somewhere (although it might get cleaned and go back where the food was stored for the first few weeks, or longer).

I imagine I'd have #10 cans from wheat, rice, beans, etc, more or less one a day from the family, and those would conveniently stay indoors because they are clean, or get hammered into shape, cut and flattened, or otherwise put to use when empty.

I'd have soup/chili/tuna cans every day, and those would get rinsed to remove the food residue and then used similarly. The trick is to make sure that anything that was not cleaned and kept inside for reuse would be buried, burned, or otherwise disposed of so that it didn't compromise opsec. I imagine conditions on the ground would quickly and perhaps painfully teach how to handle trash, but that's one of those little problems (along with septic issues) that I don't think gets enough thought when planning. I'd probably also build an outhouse if electricity was an issue, which I think it likely in case of SHTF/collapse/TEOTWAWKI.

23 posted on 03/19/2014 12:50:56 PM PDT by Pollster1 ("Shall not be infringed" is unambiguous.)
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To: Pollster1

You can melt plastics in an oil bath and mold them into something else.


24 posted on 03/19/2014 9:42:31 PM PDT by Ellendra ("Laws were most numerous when the Commonwealth was most corrupt." -Tacitus)
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