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Quinn: A $10/hour minimum wage is a principle as old as the Bible
HOTAIR.COM ^ | 21 MARCH 2014 | ERIKA JOHNSEN

Posted on 03/22/2014 4:57:58 PM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist

Despite his clumsy expression, I’m going to go ahead and venture that, yes, most Republicans would probably agree with Illinois Gov. Pat Quinn that a person that works a solid forty hours per week at an honest, productive job should not have to live in poverty. That’s precisely why it would be nice if hiking the minimum wage was actually a constructive way to boost employment, median incomes, and economic growth, instead of an counterproductive and intellectually cheap populist band-aid. Via NRO:

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Government
KEYWORDS: illinois; patquinn; taxhike; unemployment

1 posted on 03/22/2014 4:57:58 PM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

” I’m going to go ahead and venture that, yes, most Republicans would probably agree with Illinois Gov. Pat Quinn that a person that works a solid forty hours per week at an honest, productive job should not have to live in poverty.”

Depends if that person has any skills and/or education.

We wouldn’t want to overpay someone and hurt their self esteem.

Also, if these bastards would quit causing inflation then it wouldn’t be so expensive to live.


2 posted on 03/22/2014 5:00:42 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

All jobs should pay an above average income.


3 posted on 03/22/2014 5:01:19 PM PDT by sphinx
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
a person that works a solid forty hours per week at an honest, productive job should not have to live in poverty.

Minimum wage jobs are starter jobs no one should ever be expected to live on. Those working them should concentrate on increasing their value through experience and knowledge.
4 posted on 03/22/2014 5:01:23 PM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

$10/hr is $28,000 a year. Poverty level for one person is $11,490.

Perhaps they should get some education or develop a skill to improve their value.


5 posted on 03/22/2014 5:02:52 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

here’s a hint for the moron sector supporting this bs

if you jack up minimum wage by 50%, you’re also jacking up union wages by 50% (they know this)... but it will also push inflation to increase costs on those various goods

value is value... and when you’re using a fiat currency, it fluctuates with the amount you print.

meanwhile, one ounce of gold will still buy one week of food and shelter for a family of four in a first world country. this hasn’t changed for a *very* long time.


6 posted on 03/22/2014 5:05:27 PM PDT by sten (fighting tyranny never goes out of style)
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To: driftdiver

$10/hr is $20,800 a year.

10 x 40 x 52.


7 posted on 03/22/2014 5:05:35 PM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: driftdiver

I made over $30,000 1 year at $9.50 per hour. Yeah it was a lot of hours but I didn’t feel mistreated in any way.


8 posted on 03/22/2014 5:06:04 PM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: cripplecreek
Quinn's objective is to keep his opponent on the defensive with ridiculous class-warfare crap. We all know the facts about the harm the minimum-wage does, but this has more to do with Quinn saving his own ass than it does with actually helping people, which it won't.

Quinn also won his first term by the skin of his teeth and he's the most unpopular Governor in the country. The guy is simply an effing, pathetic joke.

9 posted on 03/22/2014 5:06:37 PM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist (15 years of FReeping! Congratulations EEE!!)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

The minimum wage is totally contrary to God’s Revealed Word and is a direct assault on liberty. Thank the evil Frances Perkins, playmate of Franklin Diablo Roosevelt, for this vile attack on freedom. She not only championed the minimum wage but was behind Marxist scams such as social security and the power yielded to Big Labor goons. Largely relegated to a minor historical figure, Perkins is in the ranks of Margaret Sanger and Michele Obama as truly satanic women.


10 posted on 03/22/2014 5:06:37 PM PDT by re_nortex (DP - that's what I like about Texas)
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To: DuncanWaring

dylsexia again strikes


11 posted on 03/22/2014 5:06:41 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

Where is that to be found?


12 posted on 03/22/2014 5:07:02 PM PDT by mulligan (I)
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To: driftdiver

$10/hr x 2080 hrs = 20,800/yr


13 posted on 03/22/2014 5:08:44 PM PDT by Java4Jay (The evils of government are directly proportional to the tolerance of the people.)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

Not everyone earning a minimum wage can afford a new car, the latest smart phone or a 72 inch TV. Sorry.


14 posted on 03/22/2014 5:08:51 PM PDT by Huskrrrr
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To: cripplecreek

My first job out of the air force was $11.50 an hour and I worked all the overtime I could get. I’ve worked and studied and now I own my own business. So I’m back to about $11.50 an hour. lol


15 posted on 03/22/2014 5:09:16 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: driftdiver

yeah yeah yeah, I typoed it in my rush to prove my numerical superiority


16 posted on 03/22/2014 5:10:24 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: driftdiver

“We wouldn’t want to overpay someone and hurt their self esteem.”

There’s one statement that Donald Trump once said that is correct. “You are poor because of the poor decisions you made in your life”.


17 posted on 03/22/2014 5:11:02 PM PDT by max americana (fired liberals in our company last election, and I laughed while they cried (true story))
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To: driftdiver

If those bastards didn’t tax us to death, our spouses wouldn’t have to work so we can make ends meet and a stay-at-home Mom or Dad would raise the kids, not some government school and government after school program.


18 posted on 03/22/2014 5:11:32 PM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: sphinx

That does it...I’m moving to Lake Wobegon.


19 posted on 03/22/2014 5:12:11 PM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: driftdiver

Dyslexics Of The World - Untie!


20 posted on 03/22/2014 5:12:15 PM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: cripplecreek

Oh yeah? Well, my Mom’s best friend makes $80 per hour AT HOME with her computer! Ha!


21 posted on 03/22/2014 5:13:17 PM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

A better method to eradicate poverty is emulate what is working in other countries.

For example in Singapore, tax rates are lower, and government benefits for working age people are few. There is no such thing as unemployment compensation. Result: they have so many jobs, they import 40% workers from other countries on 2 year work permits. Unemployment rate for Singapore citizens is under 2% which are mostly people in transition from one job to another. The infrastructure makes USA look like a third world country. The airport, highways, cruise terminal, are ultra modern and beautiful.


22 posted on 03/22/2014 5:13:42 PM PDT by entropy12 (If you did not vote, you helped elect the community organizer from south side of Chicago.)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
Despite his clumsy expression, I’m going to go ahead and venture that, yes, most Republicans would probably agree with Illinois Gov. Pat Quinn that a person that works a solid forty hours per week at an honest, productive job should not have to live in poverty.

Even while living in said poverty, 98% of the poorest among us manage to afford a television, 78% manage to afford air conditioning, 64% pay for cable to go with that TV, 55% have cell phone service, and 29% have a video game system for that TV.

23 posted on 03/22/2014 5:15:27 PM PDT by Alex Murphy ("the defacto Leader of the FR Calvinist Protestant Brigades")
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

$10, 10%, what’s the difference ....


24 posted on 03/22/2014 5:17:19 PM PDT by mikrofon (They're right next to each other on the keyboard...)
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To: driftdiver

x29/40 because those are 29 hr per week jobs,


25 posted on 03/22/2014 5:20:34 PM PDT by gusopol3
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

It might help more if grocerys and gas weren’t sky high.


26 posted on 03/22/2014 5:26:38 PM PDT by linn37
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

Stories like this make me feel good about my decisions. I have some college, no certs, and no formal training yet I still pull between 25 and 30 an hour through my hard work and experience in technology. It took a hell of a lot of work, plus the internet, to get where I am today. I’ve worked many different fields and jobs which have all lead to my success in being hard working and well rounded. It has not been easy but I am supporting my family. My fiance is about the same. Her education is about the same and she worked her way from a lowly admin to a director or marketing. She did it all by working her butt off and never backing down from a challenge. There are unlimited opportunities, thanks to the internet, to build job skills and personal worth through developing critical and needed skills. Hell Microsoft is giving away their training courses for their IT training programs. They knowledge is free, though the exams are not. I’m finally starting to work on my certs and saving money for the tests.


27 posted on 03/22/2014 5:37:46 PM PDT by drunknsage
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To: cripplecreek

The thing is that the employers are cutting back to less than 30 hours a week so that they don’t have to pay for Obamacare.


28 posted on 03/22/2014 5:41:54 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Haven't you lost enough freedoms? Support an end to the WOD now.)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

Christians would work for nothing..if possible. Otherwise, working for what the business offers is either acceptable or not. Minimum wages are just the Governments way of interfering into business decisions. Yes, I believe that if there were no minimum wages, jobs would increase. It’s called ad minimum wage for a reason - poor skills. When they become proficient, they usually get much more anyway because they benefit the bottom line.


29 posted on 03/22/2014 6:04:14 PM PDT by Deagle (ues)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

We need a healthy, free economy where there are opportunities for people to advance out of minimum wage jobs.


30 posted on 03/22/2014 6:33:03 PM PDT by JimSEA
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

Good time to raise this rarely-observed point:

A huge factor in the “living wage” issue is that anything less than relative luxury is practically illegal. Comfortable heating/cooling, running drinking water, flush-and-forget sanitation, electricity, refrigeration, electric lighting, etc are required in most jurisdictions to the point of their absence being actionable. Many areas view a lack of attached indoor parking, HVAC, TV, generous distances between buildings, etc as grounds for condemning a property. We’re coming to view first-world health care as a positive right (to wit: taxpayers must fund & facilitate it), food & education practically has been for about a century, and a plethora of special interests are pushing their own pet “positive rights”. Access to, if not outright ownership of, transportation capable of relocating you 1000 miles in one day flat for less than a week’s wage is axiomatic.
It’s friggin’ expensive to live at least well enough to not invite eviction or incarceration ... and guess which end of the political spectrum is largely responsible for imposing those demands on everyone, “poor” included?

In Scripture, anything construable (to which I consent only for sake of present argument) as a low-end “living wage” would cover little more than a tent, blanket, fire fuel, and mediocre-quality calories. 2000 calories a day and a dry place to sleep was all anyone could expect others to facilitate, and even that would be provided on the assumption you’d pay for it with 2000 calories of effort and live within walking distance of your employment.
Scripture notes (paraphrased) “you don’t work, you don’t eat” - and remember that “eat” could easily be little more than bread and wine, and those the end product of $0.25 of flour and a flask of self-fermented grape juice. At that rate, a “minimum wage” amounted to about $2/day ... which, of note, is world median income.


31 posted on 03/22/2014 6:33:44 PM PDT by ctdonath2 (Making good people helpless doesn't make bad people harmless.)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

A high minimum wage enables the big-government/big-corporate crony-fascist complex to eliminate competition from small businesses.


32 posted on 03/22/2014 6:44:02 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum ("The man who damns money has obtained it dishonorably; the man who respects it has earned it.")
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
”I’m going to go ahead and venture that, yes, most Republicans would probably agree with Illinois Gov. Pat Quinn that a person that works a solid forty hours per week at an honest, productive job should not have to live in poverty.”

Sorry, but if you don't produce enough to avoid living in poverty, no one can afford to pay you enough to avoid poverty. It ought to be obvious even to a liberal that no employer can pay an employee more than the productivity of that employee.

Some people apparently look upon employment as a paternalistic arrangement, in which the fatherly employer supports the employee, regardless of how much or how little the employee produces. Something like the allowances my children received for doing chores around the house.

Well, it isn't. Out of revenue from sales, the employer must pay wages, pay for raw materials, pay for utilities, pay taxes, and if there's anything left over, pay the owners (paying himself if the employer is also the owner). All these other factors of production are entitled to the market value of their contributions to production. Paying an employee more than the market value of his labor services is the road to bankruptcy.

If the market value of an employee's labor services are not enough to keep him out of poverty, then his only solution is to enhance the value of those services. Putting his employer out of business helps nobody.

33 posted on 03/22/2014 6:47:49 PM PDT by JoeFromSidney (Book: Resistance to Tyranny. Buy from Amazon.)
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To: JoeFromSidney

Define “Poverty”?

To some “poverty” means not being able to afford more than one big screen TV.


34 posted on 03/22/2014 6:49:56 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

Why do we allow employers to pay different salaries?


35 posted on 03/22/2014 7:13:45 PM PDT by sickoflibs (Obama : 'You can keep your doctor if you want. I never tell a lie ')
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

What is the job worth? How much is hand cleaning pennies supposed to pay?

Or as a real example why is it wrong to pay a penny per for someone to scrape used bricks clean?


36 posted on 03/22/2014 8:35:24 PM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans!)
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To: sickoflibs

What a question!

“Why do we allow employers...”

Who is ‘’we’’?

Who are the employers?

As long as *MY* money creates the business, YOU have no say in anything.

The employer is the one who put up the money, did the foot work, and still does. That’s HIS/HER business, not yours, or the governments or anybody else’s.

To stick a WE and an ‘allow’ in there implies that you have a right to somebody else’s business, and you don’t.

There are many jobs that only pay minimum wage which is still only $7.25 per hour and that’s not enough to pay the rent, never mind the groceries. utilities, or luxuries. It translates to a bit over $k15k/yr. Poverty rate is 11k for a single person.

Of those min. wage jobs, there are those who help that employer make hefty profits. If the min. wage law was not in effect, that employer would pay 10 cents an hour if he could! Which of course is what opened up the door to unions that everybody seems to despise as well. It’s also why plantation owners fought so hard to maintain slavery. But even a slave owner had to supply shelter, clothing and food.

What’s the difference between a slave and a min. wage worker? Very little. Some difference yes, but very little. You can marry, and you can have kids and maybe the state won’t step in and take them away from you as long as you hand them over to the state while maintaining a ‘’yessa massa’’ attitude with regard to the small amount of time time you spend with them outside of the state’s watchful eye, and raise them according to state rules which is pretty much guaranteed to turn them into hoodlems to financially support the state’s prison system.

And, you can always change slave owners if someone else will have you. Yep, you’re free to travel, but you won’t have any $$ to travel on. Hope you like walking.

Min wage jobs are the result of poor decisions? Tell that to executives and managers from big companies who would be glad to have that min wage job, just to have a job.

And, as mentioned, if you can find a min wage job which gives you 40 hours a week, it’s a rare find.

Some min wage employees are worth their weight in gold. Some overpaid egotistical, narcissistic bosses aren’t worth the dirt they walk on.

And then there are volunteers who dedicate their lives ..full time even, who don’t even get a gasoline stippend, or even a gift card for McDonalds, that make life and death differences in the lives of people. Are THEY the result of bad decisions too???

Sometimes I read some of these posts and all I can do is shake my head and say...Wow...there are some pretty messed up people out there with value systems that aren’t worth the mega pixels they’re written on. No wonder we’re in trouble.


37 posted on 03/22/2014 9:18:16 PM PDT by PrairieLady2
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To: sphinx

“All jobs should pay an above average income.”

That line should have been credited to (blamed on?) the Mayor of Lake Woebegone.


38 posted on 03/22/2014 9:34:28 PM PDT by GladesGuru (Islam Delenda Est - because of what Islam is and because of what Muslims do.)
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To: sphinx

Question! From where does the money to pay ‘above average come from?


39 posted on 03/22/2014 9:43:31 PM PDT by noinfringers2
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

Matthew 20:1-16 shoots that theory to doll rags.

Nobody has hit the DEMS on raising the minimum wage as a tax revenue enhancement, without having to actually raise taxes.


40 posted on 03/22/2014 10:20:03 PM PDT by stylin19a (Obama ----> Fredo smart)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

Class warfare plain and simple.
There is no free market as soon as there are minimal wages.
This guy should move to Cuba.


41 posted on 03/23/2014 4:21:37 AM PDT by wetphoenix
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To: driftdiver

‘$10/hr is $28,000 a year. Poverty level for one person is $11,490.’

Perhaps they should get some education or develop a skill to improve their value.

CAPITAL IDEA DD AND ..THERE’S THIS:

THERE SHOULD BE A MAN AND A WIFE....AND THEY SHOULD NOT HAVE A WHOLE PASSEL OF KIDS....THE RULE IS..FOR EVERY KID YOU HAVE TO HAVE AND EXTRA JOB....BUT THE FOLKS NEVER GOT THAT MEMO IT APPEARS....


42 posted on 03/23/2014 11:12:50 AM PDT by jimsin
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