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Demanding an Israeli-Style Barrier on the US/Mexican Border
Reaganite Republican ^ | 24 March 2014 | Reaganite Republican

Posted on 03/25/2014 3:33:42 AM PDT by Reaganite Republican

The Democrats' best shot at destroying the GOP in the short/medium-term would clearly lay in mass amnesties of illegal immigrants... forget smokescreen BS about green cards and phony half-measures that pretend to do something short of what the Dems really want: once they're here legally, most 3rd-world immigrants will be made citizens and voting (Democrat) soon enough, and anyone who purports otherwise is being intellectually dishonest...

Luckily for left, Republican 'leadership' in the House and Senate are more than willing to help them do that, as the US Chamber of Commerce just loves them a bottomless labor market-- and John Boehner's too stupid to see any farther than the next tee.

Scheming progs are also keen to tell you all about 'Reagan's amnesty', when in fact he was bamboozled into legalizing about 2.7M mosty-Mexican immigrants 'one time only' in exchange for real border security (when he signed the 1986 Simpson-Mazzoli Act).

Of course, Tip O'Neil broke that promise, and the security measures were for the most part never funded. Reagan later called the deal (in which he was clearly lied-to and screwed) the 'biggest regret' of his eight years in office.



I've about had my fill hearing what the left wants, playing defense all the time, watching Boner and Musty Mitch cave in backroom deals while feeding us 'conservative' sounding noise (and defeatist nonsense) that treats the Republican base like we just fell off the potato cart.

What about our side... are we just going to bicker about what portion of the Democrats' wish-list we should acquiesce to? How bout 'what do conservatives want?' Aren't deals supposed to have two sides?

Here's what I want: REAL border security OWED to us since the Dems broke that promise to Ronald Reagan in the 1980s. Why would anyone feel obligated or pressured to support a mass legalization up to 10x the size of the one in 1986 when we got totally shafted last time?

Since we live in the most lawless presidency in history -and past 'immigration reform' deals with the left were clearly grave errors- only a true idiot would believe ANYthing the Democrats -or Chamber-of-Commerce Republicans- tell us re. the amnesties they relentlessly market to us as 'inevitable' and/or 'not really amnesty', etc.

We demand GUARANTEED border security... or there is nothing else to discuss. This long-overdue border enforcement cannot be grey, nothing that can be fudged, no more laws enforced selectively, none of the games and frauds we've come to expect in the bizarre Obama era.

And no new squads of DHS drones, either- this administration can't be trusted with such a massive expansion of these multi-use toys.


How, then? Build a wall... or a fence, anyway: just the kind of real solution the libs mock as 'too expensive', 'not realistic', blah blah blah. Oh it's just so absurd, isn't it.

Yet the truth that a border fence is plenty realistic, and we can surely afford the 3.7B dollars it would take to build a high-tech security barrier equipped with radar, motion-sensors, and cameras along the entire 1954-mile US border with Mexico. These facts and figures can be extrapolated from Israel's recently completed Israel-Egypt Barrier project, a 142-mile state-of-the-art border fence erected on their isolated border with Egypt's Sainai Pennisula, all the way from Gazy down to the Red Sea port of Eilat...

Finished at a cost of 1B sheckels ($3.7B 270M), the whole thing was built in just a few years. Thirty contractors worked concurrently, erecting 'a few hundred meters' a day until the project's completion in January 2013. That comes-out to just $1.9M/mile -including full-length patrol road- and the automated nature of the design means low staffing requirements... got to cost less to operate effectively than how we're attempting to do it in America.

 
US officials have in fact visited the Negev Desert sites to see what ideas they might glean from the Isrealis- they already know about this, all that's lacking is the will. 

For our 1954 miles to cover on the US southern border, the cost estimate (at the Israeli rate) for this nearly-impenetrable border protection would be $3.7B, complete. I say 'impenetrable' because in the first year of operation, the concertina-wire-topped Israel-Egypt barrier reduced illegal immigration by 99.9%



And does anybody doubt that we could build it cheaper than high-cost Israel? Or at a faster, rate, with 50 or 100+ contractors? Wouldn't economies of scale kick-in someplace here?

So give us our fence... or conservatives will fight the Dems, GOP establishment, Chamber of Commerce, and MSM drones tooth-and-nail on immigration 'reform', forever.
 
Nothing is on the table re. immigration reform until this country re-establishes its national sovereignty and defends its people from drugs, terrorism, and other imported crime by securing the border. And a high-tech fence/barrier the only thing short of a fully-militarized border that is ever going to do it.

Marco Rubio says he's real big on border security... perhaps he could restore his reputation with conservatives by getting behind this and proving it, then.

 
Maps/photos at Reaganite Republican...
 
 
 


TOPICS: Government; Military/Veterans; Politics; Society
KEYWORDS: aliens; amnesty; arizona; border; california; egypt; fence; gaza; israel; mexico; negev; newmexico; sinai; texas; well

1 posted on 03/25/2014 3:33:42 AM PDT by Reaganite Republican
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To: AdvisorB; ken5050; sten; paythefiddler; gattaca; bayliving; SeminoleCounty; chesley; Vendome; ...

-PING-


2 posted on 03/25/2014 3:34:58 AM PDT by Reaganite Republican
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To: Reaganite Republican

I don’t oppose building a meaningful fence/wall on our southern border.

I think it is somewhat wrongheaded, however.

We need to quit making the life of the illegal alien easy. Quit giving them food, medicine, and education at taxpayer expense. Quit giving them driver licenses. Require that people who sign up for government benefits prove citizenship. Deport any illegals who surface trying to get government benefits. Cut off the demand for illegal immigration. That will make border enforcement easier.


3 posted on 03/25/2014 3:47:44 AM PDT by NorthMountain
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To: NorthMountain

And stiff penalties (financial AND prison) for individuals and companies who knowingly hire illegals for jobs or rent them properties. Cutting off the illegal slave spigot without simultaneously punishing the illegal slave”holders” won’t solve the problem.


4 posted on 03/25/2014 3:55:15 AM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (Resist We Much)
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To: NorthMountain

This is very true, but I also want to halt terrorist infiltration and the drug business


5 posted on 03/25/2014 4:09:13 AM PDT by Reaganite Republican
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To: Reaganite Republican
All liberals lie some of the time; some liberals lie all of the time:


   "The [immigration] bill will not flood our cities with immigrants. It
   will not upset the ethnic mix of our society. It will not relax the
   standards of admission. It will not cause American workers to lose
   their jobs."
                         - Ted Kennedy, 1965

   "This amnesty will give citizenship to only 1.1 to 1.3 million illegal
   aliens.  We will secure the borders henceforth.  We will never again
   bring forward another amnesty bill like this."
                         - Ted Kennedy, 1986

   "Now it is time for action. 2007 is the year we must fix our broken
   system."
                         - Ted Kennedy, 2007

6 posted on 03/25/2014 4:38:07 AM PDT by Peet (Oderint dum metuant)
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To: NorthMountain

We need to do all of the above, including the fence.


7 posted on 03/25/2014 4:43:37 AM PDT by Tammy8
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To: NorthMountain

thats the other half of the equation. Doing either without the other would be pretty meaningless.


8 posted on 03/25/2014 4:55:11 AM PDT by wiggen (The teacher card. When the racism card just won't work.)
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To: Reaganite Republican

Someone has been reading my mind!


9 posted on 03/25/2014 5:17:45 AM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (Pubbies = national collectivists; Dems = international collectivists; We need a second party!)
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To: fieldmarshaldj

Agreed, I would push this issue on all fronts. But the fence is kind of permanent and its effectiveness more consistent than law enforcement thoughout political cycles... as today, here we have tons of immigration laws NOT being enforced by this vile administration.


10 posted on 03/25/2014 5:48:06 AM PDT by Reaganite Republican
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Thanks Reaganite Republican.
We demand GUARANTEED border security... or there is nothing else to discuss.

11 posted on 03/25/2014 6:11:07 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: SunkenCiv

Thank yoiu, SC


12 posted on 03/25/2014 6:32:44 AM PDT by Reaganite Republican
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To: Jack Hydrazine

Or visa-versa, and I just beat you to press lol


13 posted on 03/25/2014 6:33:16 AM PDT by Reaganite Republican
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To: Reaganite Republican

I’m not opposing that; I’m not opposed to building a fence/wall. I’m adding the idea that securing the border is a lot easier if we reduce the incentive to illegally cross it.


14 posted on 03/25/2014 6:46:49 AM PDT by NorthMountain
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To: Reaganite Republican

My pleasure, RR. :’)


15 posted on 03/25/2014 7:11:53 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: Reaganite Republican

I agree totally but I hate to tell you that a border fence is not too expensive and it would be effective. That is why a border fence has not been constructed.

The powers that be in our country do not want the border closed. For one thing we have a high level agreement with Mexico to keep it porous as a safety valve for their economy. Some 40% of the Mexican GDP comes from money sent back to Mexico from illegal workers here. The other reason is Big Business and Big Agra. They need those low wage workers.

So unless there is a total sea change in our society the border will never be secured.


16 posted on 03/25/2014 7:47:30 AM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose o f a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: Reaganite Republican; 1_Inch_Group; 2sheep; 2Trievers; 3AngelaD; 3pools; 3rdcanyon; 4Freedom; ...
Ping!

Click the keyword Aliens to see more illegal alien, border security, and other related threads.

17 posted on 03/25/2014 9:39:02 AM PDT by HiJinx (Borders, Language, Culture)
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To: HiJinx

Border control is the only intelligent first step.


18 posted on 03/25/2014 9:42:46 AM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: Peet

If I make it to heaven, I hope God lets me have one little glimpse into Hell. I want to see Teddy Kennedy engulfed in flames and screaming for mercy. Just once.


19 posted on 03/25/2014 9:56:24 AM PDT by Nea Wood (When people get used to preferential treatment, equal treatment seems like discrimination.-Sowell)
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To: cripplecreek

From your keyboard to...

(Agree.)


20 posted on 03/25/2014 10:03:35 AM PDT by HiJinx (Borders, Language, Culture)
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To: HiJinx
For our 1954 miles to cover on the US southern border, the cost estimate (at the Israeli rate) for this nearly-impenetrable border protection would be $3.7B, complete. I say 'impenetrable' because in the first year of operation, the concertina-wire-topped Israel-Egypt barrier reduced illegal immigration by 99.9%

Good One Liner for:

John McCain Townhalls (watch him squirm)

Short, printable letters to the Arizona Daily Star (they won't)

Short, printable letters to the Sierra Vista Herald (they might)

And anyone in Southern Arizona who hems and haws and wrings their hands about "what should we do".

The answer is, the Jews of Israel had no qualms about protecting their country from a hostile invasion, why should we?

21 posted on 03/25/2014 10:07:45 AM PDT by Regulator
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To: HiJinx

We need a proper fence and more to stop the invasion of our country.


22 posted on 03/25/2014 10:54:11 AM PDT by Dante3
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To: Reaganite Republican

BUILD THE WALL, NOW!


23 posted on 03/25/2014 11:06:36 AM PDT by JimRed (Excise the cancer before it kills us; feed & water the Tree of Liberty! TERM LIMITS NOW & FOREVER!)
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To: NorthMountain
We need to quit making the life of the illegal alien easy. Quit giving them food, medicine, and education at taxpayer expense. Quit giving them driver licenses. Require that people who sign up for government benefits prove citizenship. Deport any illegals who surface trying to get government benefits. Cut off the demand for illegal immigration. That will make border enforcement easier.

EXACTLY !!

24 posted on 03/25/2014 12:41:16 PM PDT by jimt (Fear is the darkroom where negatives are developed.)
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To: Reaganite Republican

Unfortunately, Dubya didn’t enforce them, either. My neighborhood was already an illegal zone before Zero got to the White House.


25 posted on 03/25/2014 7:07:13 PM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (Resist We Much)
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To: Reaganite Republican

Militarize the border patrol.

Soldiers > Cops


26 posted on 03/25/2014 9:58:27 PM PDT by Impy (RED=COMMUNIST, NOT REPUBLICAN)
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