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Not terror? 4 dead, 16 hurt at Fort Hood
WND ^ | 04/03/2014 | Chelsea Schilling

Posted on 04/03/2014 4:00:28 AM PDT by iontheball

The unthinkable has happened at Fort Hood, Texas, the site of a 2009 terror massacre that killed 14, with another mass shooting leaving four dead and 16 people injured Wednesday at 4:25 p.m. CDT at the U.S. Army’s largest military installation.

The shooter, identified as 34-year-old Ivan Lopez, is among the dead. Lopez reportedly died from a self-inflicted gunshot wound and had been wearing an Army combat uniform at the time of the attack. Lt. Gen. Mark Milley, III Corps commander at Fort Hood, said the shooter was a soldier who was under evaluation for post-traumatic stress disorder.

Six injured soldiers are being treated at Scott & White Memorial Hospital in Temple, a city about 20 minutes outside Fort Hood. According to hospital officials, the victims have a variety of injuries, including multiple gunshot wounds to the neck and abdomen.

(Excerpt) Read more at wnd.com ...


TOPICS: Government; Military/Veterans; Politics
KEYWORDS: forthood; lopez
I listened last evening to the post commander and his response to a question of continuing post policy to not allow soldiers to be armed on post. It made my blood boil. He said he had no intentions of changing the procedure. How idiotic is that after admitting it took 15 minutes for military police to arrive. Soldiers who are trained in weapon handing and who are sent into combat with weapons, supposedly can not be trusted to carry weapons on post. This statement by a general officer is criminal, especially after a previous Fort Hood killing spree.
1 posted on 04/03/2014 4:00:28 AM PDT by iontheball
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To: iontheball

Fort Food? /facepalm


2 posted on 04/03/2014 4:07:07 AM PDT by Fresh Wind (The last remnants of the Old Republic have been swept away.)
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To: iontheball

This stuff did not seem to happen in deployment stress when everyone was loaded.


3 posted on 04/03/2014 4:09:54 AM PDT by lavaroise (A well regulated gun being necessary to the state, the rights of the militia shall not be infringed)
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To: iontheball
This statement by a general officer is criminal, especially after a previous Fort Hood killing spree.

By the very fact that he has survived Obama's military upper echelon purges tells us exactly what his opinion of his troops is, and his view on the suitability of them defending themselves.

4 posted on 04/03/2014 4:13:09 AM PDT by grobdriver (Where is Wilson Blair when you need him?)
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To: iontheball

I guess wuss commanders are afraid of recruits wandering off base with issued weapons and selling them. More to protect repercutions from antiwar civilians.

However it does point that they would colonize civilian surroundings by lobbying mayors to disarm citizens. Much happens in behind closed doors and many militaries seek mayorships after retirement in surrounding cities.

Certainly the government cannot solve all crimes and should not be in the business of licensing self defense like they would bounty hunters.


5 posted on 04/03/2014 4:14:13 AM PDT by lavaroise (A well regulated gun being necessary to the state, the rights of the militia shall not be infringed)
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To: lavaroise

I don’t remember any reports about returning WW2, Korea or VN vets taking out their own


6 posted on 04/03/2014 4:18:03 AM PDT by knarf (I say things that are true .. I have no proof .. but they're true.)
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To: knarf

What about the nutjob at the Texas or Texas A&M clock tower? Was he a student or ex-military?


7 posted on 04/03/2014 4:23:23 AM PDT by stuck_in_new_orleans
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To: lavaroise

I thought we were in the process of disarming people who had sought mental health treatment, or were diagnosed with PTSD for “safety reasons”, why wasn’t he similarly disarmed? Surely if he wouldn’t have had that .45 if someone took all of his guns away.

I noticed this stuff never happens with “bitter clingers”.


8 posted on 04/03/2014 4:23:50 AM PDT by Antihero101607
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To: iontheball

Obama era thinking -

Not terrorism related because the guy didn’t shout “Aloha Ackbar”.

Even in Nidal Hasan’s case, it is ‘workplace violence’ and Obama gave shoutouts to his bundlers first.

So I wonder what they will label this case, “mild opinion dispute”?

/Not intend to insult those killed / injured and their families


9 posted on 04/03/2014 4:23:55 AM PDT by Sir Napsalot (Pravda + Useful Idiots = CCCP; JournOList + Useful Idiots = DopeyChangey!)
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To: lavaroise

As trooper Grisham put it, why didn’t someone tell the shooter the post was a ‘gunfree zone’?
It really is criminal on the parts of Clinton, Obama and the department of the Army—IOW, the federal gov.—if a third shooter slaughters more unarmed soldiers. Why isn’t the federal government looking out for US troops?
Why are combat troops distrusted with weapons?
Why don’t we have armed guards protecting children in schools that aren’t attended by Beltway apparatchiks?

It was criminal after the first shooting—recall the insane major who was e-mailing anyone and everyone of his intentions.
Why wasn’t the ‘National Security Agency’ reading his mail?
What good are they?


10 posted on 04/03/2014 4:24:25 AM PDT by tumblindice (Are all Democrats inveterate, habitual liars?)
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To: iontheball

Related article details:

http://www.ksat.com/news/official-fort-hood-shooter-was-assessed-for-PTSD/25293240

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He was taking medication

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reports that he had complained after returning from Iraq about suffering a traumatic brain injury

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The gunman was never wounded in action

>His weapon had been recently purchased in the local area and was not registered to be on the base


11 posted on 04/03/2014 4:25:41 AM PDT by Texas Fossil (Texas is not where you were born, but a Free State of Heart, Mind & Attitude!)
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To: iontheball
I listened last evening to the post commander and his response to a question of continuing post policy to not allow soldiers to be armed on post. It made my blood boil. He said he had no intentions of changing the procedure.

Yes, it is VERY important to keep soldiers FAR away from guns.

And the best defense is no defense at all.

I swear, we are in the Bizarro universe.

12 posted on 04/03/2014 4:26:32 AM PDT by Lazamataz (Early 2009 to 7/21/2013 - RIP my little girl Cathy. You were the best cat ever. You will be missed.)
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To: tumblindice
Because it's not PC to teach,

This is my rifle, this is my gun
this is for killin' n' this is for fun

or any of the other bloody running songs we used to sing;

what
makes
the grass grow green

commie blood
commie blood

In the sixties, a plegic came home to a hand controlled Cadillic

13 posted on 04/03/2014 4:32:41 AM PDT by knarf (I say things that are true .. I have no proof .. but they're true.)
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To: Texas Fossil

It was also 2 plus years ago


14 posted on 04/03/2014 4:33:23 AM PDT by knarf (I say things that are true .. I have no proof .. but they're true.)
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To: Texas Fossil

Maybe it was a “faked” illness to cover up any clandestine action.


15 posted on 04/03/2014 4:34:20 AM PDT by Maudeen (Jesus is the Answer. . .now what is the question?)
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To: iontheball

The Left LOVES to say that only the military and police should be armed, yet every soldier, sailor, airman, and Marine on every base in America is forced to be disarmed unless they’re considered part of a privileged class of MPs or other such garbage.

When a “mass shooting” happens on a military base, and with a pistol nonetheless, it must put the Left into a tailspin since they make no bones about the military being the only ones trained to properly operate and handle firearms yet they have to wait 15 minutes for local police to show up to handle a single guy with a handgun, not even an “assault rifle!”

The political correctness bullshit has GOT to stop in this country. How many mass shootings, how many soldiers, how many children is it going to take before the people of this country stand up, dust the Cheetos crumbs out of their laps and say, “I’ve had enough of this. The Second Amendment means something. Lock and load!” (???)


16 posted on 04/03/2014 4:35:57 AM PDT by rarestia (It's time to water the Tree of Liberty.)
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To: knarf

Yes, and he was in the ME only for 4 months. Pretty short tour.


17 posted on 04/03/2014 4:38:12 AM PDT by Texas Fossil (Texas is not where you were born, but a Free State of Heart, Mind & Attitude!)
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To: Maudeen

Yes, that is possible.

It is early to speculate too much.


18 posted on 04/03/2014 4:39:19 AM PDT by Texas Fossil (Texas is not where you were born, but a Free State of Heart, Mind & Attitude!)
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To: Texas Fossil
There's more to this story than what we're being told

Has he been sitting in on some muzzie talks or visiting a musque ?.. (typo intentional)

19 posted on 04/03/2014 4:42:53 AM PDT by knarf (I say things that are true .. I have no proof .. but they're true.)
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To: knarf; Maudeen

With 4 dead and 16 injured, it is clear it was not just a dispute among soldiers.

Now that raises the question of “motive”.

He recently bought the gun. So it was premeditated. Was he paid to do this?

Do you remember the comment by the mother of the soldier who shot Chris Kyle and Chad Littlefield? He told his mother he made a pact with the devil.

It is interesting that there has not been a single word in the press about Chris Kyle’s shooter.


20 posted on 04/03/2014 4:45:54 AM PDT by Texas Fossil (Texas is not where you were born, but a Free State of Heart, Mind & Attitude!)
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To: knarf

agree.


21 posted on 04/03/2014 4:46:25 AM PDT by Texas Fossil (Texas is not where you were born, but a Free State of Heart, Mind & Attitude!)
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To: iontheball
Not terror?

Workplace violence, you know. They established that.

Boston was to be 'disgruntled food-cart owner wannabe', but they failed to kill his brother and the wife threatened to talk if he was slurred in such a manner...

/s

You should ask a US Marine what he thinks about being disarmed in-theater because he isn't to be trusted in the presence of hi-ranking officials, including the CIC...(let alone the parade-bolt issue).

'Negligent' is the more appropriate word. He could be Criminally Negligent if his policies permitted the shooter to be on base armed for his mission...I'm certain UCMJ would adequately address the prior, if they had the will (they don't).

22 posted on 04/03/2014 4:46:42 AM PDT by logi_cal869
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To: iontheball

soebarkha is very pleased.


23 posted on 04/03/2014 5:14:08 AM PDT by onedoug
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To: stuck_in_new_orleans

“What about the nutjob at the Texas or Texas A&M clock tower? Was he a student or ex-military?”

A Marine IIRC


24 posted on 04/03/2014 5:22:41 AM PDT by V_TWIN
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To: knarf

Never heard a Marine doing it either.
Maybe the Marines have a better way of instilling a sense of family.


25 posted on 04/03/2014 5:23:51 AM PDT by Yorlik803 ( Church/Caboose in 2016)
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To: iontheball

You watch.... Very soon, Obama will make a law that all ex-service people will not be aloud to have a gun.After all, vets are psycho killers and racist.


26 posted on 04/03/2014 5:45:55 AM PDT by baddog 219
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To: iontheball

I listened last evening to the post commander and his response to a question of continuing post policy to not allow soldiers to be armed on post. It made my blood boil. He said he had no intentions of changing the procedure. How idiotic is that after admitting it took 15 minutes for military police to arrive. Soldiers who are trained in weapon handing and who are sent into combat with weapons, supposedly can not be trusted to carry weapons on post. This statement by a general officer is criminal, especially after a previous Fort Hood killing spree.


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Those officers left behind choose badly.


27 posted on 04/03/2014 5:50:39 AM PDT by Linda Frances (Woe to those who call evil good and good evil, who put darkness for light and light for darkness.)
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To: Texas Fossil

“Good Morning America” mentioned that the shooter was an Army truck driver in Iraq for four months.


28 posted on 04/03/2014 6:16:42 AM PDT by july4thfreedomfoundation (I don't want to feel "safe." I want to feel FREE!)
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To: iontheball

During the Vietnam war, there would be an occasional incident at a firing range, the military answer then, was to have the drill sergeants and range sergeants carry loaded 45s.

You could see their alertness, and you did not want to be seen making a gesture with a loaded rifle, that would lead them to think you were seeking to take out people.


29 posted on 04/03/2014 10:21:26 AM PDT by ansel12 ((Libertarianism offers the transitory concepts and dialogue to move from conservatism, to liberalism)
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To: iontheball; Ezekiel

Well it is the final 4 in Texas this week-end.


30 posted on 04/03/2014 4:01:30 PM PDT by Jeremiah Jr (EL CHaI)
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