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Should NASA Send Astronauts On Voluntary One-Way Missions?
slashdot ^ | 4/6/2014 | slashdot

Posted on 04/06/2014 3:18:26 PM PDT by Usagi_yo

Title is the subject, link is to the results. Go to slashdot.org if you want to take the poll, it changes every day, but the results should hang around alot longer than the poll.

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TOPICS: Astronomy; History; Science; Society
KEYWORDS: mars; nasa; spaceexploration
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Reminds me about the practice of Human sacrifice in past cultures. They had volunteers too.
1 posted on 04/06/2014 3:18:26 PM PDT by Usagi_yo
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To: Usagi_yo

Send ours to the middle east kamikaze style.


2 posted on 04/06/2014 3:21:32 PM PDT by DIRTYSECRET (urope. Why do they put up with this.)
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To: Usagi_yo

Heading west on the Oregon Trail was usually a one-way trip as well.


3 posted on 04/06/2014 3:23:35 PM PDT by 21twelve (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2185147/posts 2013 is 1933 REBORN)
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To: Usagi_yo

Maybe we can get many of “our” politicians to “volunteer”???


4 posted on 04/06/2014 3:24:27 PM PDT by faithhopecharity ((Brilliant, Profound Tag Line Goes Here, just as soon as I can think of one..))
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To: Usagi_yo

Seems to me we have this in the world in muslim fanatical human bombs who volunteer to destroy themselves and everyone around them for a “heroic” cause. No, I would not approve of any sort of mission from a civilized country.


5 posted on 04/06/2014 3:25:05 PM PDT by armydawg505
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To: Usagi_yo

Send politicians.


6 posted on 04/06/2014 3:25:08 PM PDT by mountainlion (Live well for those that did not make it back.)
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To: Usagi_yo

We take the car keys away and send aging parents to old folks’ homes. What’s the difference, especially if they’re willing? It’s hardly euthanasia.

They could help build something for future generations once there.


7 posted on 04/06/2014 3:25:27 PM PDT by Textide
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To: mountainlion

Send Justin Bieber.


8 posted on 04/06/2014 3:26:35 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Usagi_yo

Absolutely.

No higher or better exercise of personal freedom. When we ask soldiers to take a hill, we don’t even give them a choice.


9 posted on 04/06/2014 3:26:55 PM PDT by RinaseaofDs
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To: Usagi_yo

I volunteered.


10 posted on 04/06/2014 3:29:17 PM PDT by Vaquero (Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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To: Usagi_yo
In the 1800's millions of Irish and other Europeans made a voluntary "one way mission" to a world they had only heard about, never to see their homes and families again. Americans used to celebrate that kind of bravery and sense of adventure.
11 posted on 04/06/2014 3:30:37 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: 21twelve
Heading west on the Oregon Trail was usually a one-way trip as well.

This, a thousand times.
12 posted on 04/06/2014 3:32:03 PM PDT by arderkrag (To conquer oneself is a greater task than conquering others. - Buddha)
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To: arderkrag

Some spent the rest of their life on the trail.


13 posted on 04/06/2014 3:33:54 PM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: 21twelve

Two out of three of the ‘Forty Niners” heading out to California were never heard from again.


14 posted on 04/06/2014 3:33:57 PM PDT by norwaypinesavage (for)
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To: Usagi_yo
No. NASA should concentrate on robotic missions.

The goal should be robots good enough to be given an exploration plan for a day and report back later. You pretty much have to do it that way, anyhow, since interactive remote control is not practical when a vehicle is light-minutes away.

15 posted on 04/06/2014 3:34:19 PM PDT by cynwoody
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To: Usagi_yo

I don’t get the point of sending anyone.

Mars/Moon are desolate outposts like Antarctica and Greenland are today.

If there is a financial case to prospect further there, then the prospectors will find a way. If there is a financial case to build a remote town/hotel there, then the developers will find a way.

In the meantime there’s plenty of prospecting and science to be done using drones by NASA.


16 posted on 04/06/2014 3:34:56 PM PDT by cicero2k
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To: Usagi_yo

Every mission has the possibility of being a one way mission.


17 posted on 04/06/2014 3:36:08 PM PDT by kalee
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To: 21twelve

Yup. There’s a big difference between sending someone to certain death and another to send people to try to live.


18 posted on 04/06/2014 3:36:19 PM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: Usagi_yo
Send congress and NASA on a involuntary one way trip to Mars.

Wait! there's a fatwa against that. OK send the jehadis along with them to execute them when they get there.

Now that's Muslim outreach, where no Imams have gone before.

19 posted on 04/06/2014 3:36:36 PM PDT by Theophilus (.)
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To: Usagi_yo

There are some one-way missions that are reasonable. For example, if at some point, Mars missions resulted in a large, self-sustaining underground habitat, sufficiently advanced to have a purpose of slowly terraforming Mars, so that astronauts were effectively colonists, I see nothing wrong with their volunteering to do so.


20 posted on 04/06/2014 3:37:34 PM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy (WoT News: Rantburg.com)
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To: Usagi_yo

Only Democrats in office....


21 posted on 04/06/2014 3:40:23 PM PDT by G Larry (There's the Beef!)
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To: Usagi_yo

“Pardner, there comes a time when the party of the first part has no recourse but to knock some sense into the party of the second part!”


22 posted on 04/06/2014 3:41:17 PM PDT by Red_Devil 232 ((VietVet - USMC All Ready On The Right? All Ready On The Left? All Ready On The Firing Line!))
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To: Usagi_yo

What if it’s a private enterprise?


23 posted on 04/06/2014 3:45:24 PM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans!)
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Though still young, in good shape, I am starting to get older. I have no wife, and no kids, and at this point its pretty much written in stone that I will never have either. I have otherwise been successful, but after 25 years in engineering I would very much like to help start up a whole freakin’ planet. What an opportunity to help start a whole new chapter for humanity. So, yes, I would definitely do a one way trip to Mars. Even if the mission ended in tragedy, it would be worth it just for the exploration value alone.


24 posted on 04/06/2014 3:58:20 PM PDT by dsrtsage (One half of all people have below average IQ. In the US the number is 54%)
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To: hinckley buzzard

At least they knew there was a high probability of there being adequate air to breath at the end of their journey.


25 posted on 04/06/2014 3:58:36 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Theophilus

Geehawd for Martians!


26 posted on 04/06/2014 3:59:05 PM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (Pubbies = national collectivists; Dems = international collectivists; We need a second party!)
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Plus people can see things easily, that a machine could never notice.


27 posted on 04/06/2014 3:59:38 PM PDT by dsrtsage (One half of all people have below average IQ. In the US the number is 54%)
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To: Usagi_yo

Didn’t President Obama convert our NASA into some sort of “self-esteem therapy” service for the rest of the world’s Moslems? How better to elevate their self-esteem than to send them up into outer space? (....all the violent terrorist ones and their supporters...)

They can shout Alluh Akbar all the way to Uranus...

Problem Solved.


28 posted on 04/06/2014 4:06:37 PM PDT by faithhopecharity ((Brilliant, Profound Tag Line Goes Here, just as soon as I can think of one..))
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy

Terraform what? The average temperature up there is about -30 celcius. That’s the average, who wants to live in that?


29 posted on 04/06/2014 4:06:44 PM PDT by Bulwyf
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To: Usagi_yo

Live is a one way trip.


30 posted on 04/06/2014 4:24:36 PM PDT by Balding_Eagle (Want to keep your doctor? Remove your Democrat Senator.)
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy

Until we can produce a magnetic field to encompass mars I think all habitability will be under cover on mars for at least a couple hundred years. Its certainly far more hospitable than the moon. Its not a hard vacuum like the moon and there is at least some protection from solar radiation. The nights aren’t two weeks long.

I’d like to put a dome over one of those arena sized craters and experiment with producing an atmosphere, growing plants etc.


31 posted on 04/06/2014 4:25:07 PM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: Balding_Eagle

Life is a one way trip.

Seesh, talk about talking the wind out of what I think is a good point.


32 posted on 04/06/2014 4:25:34 PM PDT by Balding_Eagle (Want to keep your doctor? Remove your Democrat Senator.)
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To: Usagi_yo

Let’s volunteer “Abbas”:

(short excerpt from a web article follows:)


“Abbas openly rewards terrorists. One of them, Mahmoud Awad Damra, who was sentenced in 2006 to 15 years in prison for his role in terror attacks against Israel, was promoted by Abbas to the rank of major-general. Abbas then bestowed the Star of Honour to Nayef Hawatmeh, the leader of the Democratic Front for the Liberation of Palestine and convicted terrorist whose group took the lives of 22 Jewish children in Maalot.

Need more examples of Abbas’ death cult and anti-Semitic terrorism?

December 2012: Abbas honors 6 terrorists responsible for killing hundreds of Israelis and two American diplomats.

January 2013: Abbas pledges to “follow the path” of 15 terrorists responsible for killing hundreds of Jews.

March 2013: Abbas honors the murderer of 2 students.

April 2013: Abbas honors the planner of attacks that killed dozens.

May 2013: Abbas refuses to condemn his advisor who glorified a murderer, as requested by members of US Congress.

Last April, “President” Abbas receives the coffins of 91 terrorists who murdered more than 200 Jews and salutes them with wreaths and the firing of volleys of shots.

Mahmoud Abbas, who in his doctoral dissertation at Moscow Oriental College denied that gas chambers were used to murder Jews, who aims to expel and/or kill 600,000 Jews from Judea and Samaria, is like the piper in the famous Hamelin fairy tale. The real rats are the subhuman Muslim terrorists who have put his hatred into practice.


(credit for the full article from which the above is excerpted: Giulio Meotti, Italian journalist, INN of Sept. 27, 2013)

Having NASA send scum like the above to Uranus would help boost their lagging self-esteem...and relieve the rest of Rock Three from their murderous ways.


33 posted on 04/06/2014 4:27:20 PM PDT by faithhopecharity ((Brilliant, Profound Tag Line Goes Here, just as soon as I can think of one..))
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To: Usagi_yo

Interesting question, the military is expected to send men to fairly certain deaths, but a voluntary trip with the expectation that it is just moving to a new world, seems ethical enough, if closely screened for.


34 posted on 04/06/2014 4:29:21 PM PDT by ansel12 ((Libertarianism offers the transitory concepts and dialogue to move from conservatism, to liberalism)
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To: Usagi_yo

No.


35 posted on 04/06/2014 4:34:50 PM PDT by Cyber Liberty (H.L. Mencken: "The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule.")
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To: hinckley buzzard

Traveling to a land of incredible natural resources is quite a bit different from a suicide mission.


36 posted on 04/06/2014 4:36:06 PM PDT by Kirkwood (Zombie Hunter)
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To: Usagi_yo

If NASA would take me, I’d be more than willing to do a one-way trip to Mars. To be part of the first group of humans to set foot on another planet would be more than worth the rest of my life.


37 posted on 04/06/2014 4:39:04 PM PDT by DemforBush (The scourge of mariachis and polka bands everywhere.)
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To: Bulwyf

In the case of Mars, terraforming probably begins by generating enormous amounts of perfluorocarbons. They are extremely simple but potent “super” greenhouse gases that can be manufactured directly from the Martian regolith. They also have an exceedingly long lifespan.

“There are many positive qualities to PFCs. They are 100% environmentally safe, since they are chlorine-free and do not contain any toxins. Also, PFCs are easy to make. They can be produced using simple molecules of carbon, sulfur, and fluorine which are all abundant on Mars.

“if Mars’s atmosphere contained just a few parts per million of the super-greenhouse gases, the average temperature at the planet’s surface would rise from -60 to -40 degrees Celsius (-76 to -40 degrees Fahrenheit). This warming could be enough to trigger the release of carbon dioxide from the polar caps and soil into the atmosphere. Carbon dioxide would then augment the greenhouse effect even further, driving the release of more carbon dioxide and water vapor into the atmosphere. Such positive feedback would be sufficient to create a thick, warm atmosphere—the carbon dioxide Mars.”


38 posted on 04/06/2014 4:40:16 PM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy (WoT News: Rantburg.com)
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To: DemforBush
We demand that you cease this devil's talk at this moment!


39 posted on 04/06/2014 4:44:05 PM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: Usagi_yo

I’d go.


40 posted on 04/06/2014 4:45:39 PM PDT by Ghost of SVR4 (So many are so hopelessly dependent on the government that they will fight to protect it.)
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy

Well, I think that sounds not too plausible, so I’ll be making my stand on earth heh.


41 posted on 04/06/2014 4:46:03 PM PDT by Bulwyf
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To: Bulwyf

I agree. The environment is far from known at this, that human life might eventually be sustainable is optimistic, and at what cost will it take to make it profitable.

I don’t know why NASA doesn’t pursue robotic missions until more information can be obtained. Why risk human life when machines can gather the information needed to make those decisions.


42 posted on 04/06/2014 4:46:31 PM PDT by Texicanus (Texas, it's a whole 'nother country.)
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To: faithhopecharity

What the heck man. A thread hijacking?


43 posted on 04/06/2014 4:50:16 PM PDT by Usagi_yo (Islamunism = Facism + Islam : Islamunist = someone that adheres to Islamunism.)
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To: Usagi_yo

OH I see. OK I will behave. Sorry if any problem.
It just seems that the entire planet could benefit from volunteering a few of the worst types for this honorable voyage to go where no man (or beast, as it may apply) has gone before.

Or something like that.

But ... I would seriously consider volunteering to help settle outer space! It sounds like a very interesting and worthwhile venture. And...There aren’t any jobs down here for me anymore anyway......


44 posted on 04/06/2014 4:55:28 PM PDT by faithhopecharity ((Brilliant, Profound Tag Line Goes Here, just as soon as I can think of one..))
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To: Usagi_yo

Send all the Muslims.

Hey, NASA wants to make Muslims feel good about themselves, well here’s a chance for them to put their money where their mouths are.


45 posted on 04/06/2014 4:58:04 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Texicanus

“Why risk human life when machines can gather the information needed to make those decisions.”.

Because humans are infinitely better than machines can ever be in noticing tiny little possibly critically important things. Humans can make decisions in the here and now. Humans will be able to adapt and build a city, and create new ideas and things that a robot or two never can.

There is no shortage of volunteers for such an endeavor, and most of them would gladly pay for the opportunity, though hopefully a rational approach to deciding who goes, by who can potentially contribute the most from their personal skill sets, ambitions, and willingness to learn and innate adaptability. Which is why it must be private and not government sponsored as they will do their accounting based on fairness and melanin content, thus will mars be colonized by muslims, and ultimately fail. But, there is an endless supply of volunteers, let them explore, humanity needs to explore, otherwise they get fat, lazy, and eventally turn into democrats


46 posted on 04/06/2014 5:06:38 PM PDT by dsrtsage (One half of all people have below average IQ. In the US the number is 54%)
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To: Usagi_yo

Thanks in large part to FUBO and the rest of the Luddites on the Left, about the only place NASA can “send” astronauts these days is the crapper...

Face it folks...If the retrograde SOBs currently setting policy in space exploration get their way, the human race will never get of this rock in any meaningful way...

Get used to lotus-eating and navel-gazing...


47 posted on 04/06/2014 5:16:31 PM PDT by elteemike (Light travels faster than sound...That's why so many people appear bright until you hear them speak!)
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To: dsrtsage

I think really taking off into space will take both private and public cooperation. NASA is supposed to be a pathfinding and prospecting agency and they need to get back to that Lewis and Clark mission.

The big problem with the public part is the politics of it. I know that there are scientists at NASA who would rather send a robotic mission to one of the martian moons before this asteroid capture mission but the politics are with capture at this point. On the other hand I think there will be lots of private money going toward the capture mission.


48 posted on 04/06/2014 5:18:16 PM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: brytlea; cripplecreek; decimon; bigheadfred; KoRn; Grammy; married21; steelyourfaith; Mmogamer; ...

If we get to pick who gets sent, yeah. Thanks Usagi_yo.

Extra to APoD. Two, really:

Starstruck sez: “Just a reminder. Mars will be at its closest point to Earth on April 8th. It will be moving from the east (9pm CDT)and across the southern sky the rest of the night.”

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/3141489/posts?page=4#4


49 posted on 04/06/2014 6:11:08 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: SunkenCiv

it looks like we are going nowhere


50 posted on 04/06/2014 6:14:24 PM PDT by bigheadfred
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