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Disk deframention
Little House on Unaka | April 9, 2014 | don-o

Posted on 04/09/2014 11:00:46 AM PDT by don-o

My laptop suddenly was less responsive. I regularly run disc cleanup and defrag, using the built in Win 7 tools. On a whim, I installed Defraggler and it shows my HD 14% fragmented.

I was stuned.


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Got it running now, and it's saying it will take more than 1 day to complete.
1 posted on 04/09/2014 11:00:46 AM PDT by don-o
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To: don-o; ShadowAce

is that normal?

How often should defrag be run?


2 posted on 04/09/2014 11:04:12 AM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans!)
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To: don-o

StuNed or Studeren in Nederland is a scholarship programme that is an integral part of the bilateral cooperation between the Governments of the Netherlands and Indonesia.


3 posted on 04/09/2014 11:04:28 AM PDT by McGruff (Want to hurt Mozilla? Don't use Firefox's search bar. That is their money maker.)
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To: don-o

that’s impossible. a day?!! I’d run virus software first. malwarebytes and search and destroy are great. shouldn’t run a day


4 posted on 04/09/2014 11:05:30 AM PDT by equalator
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To: McGruff

I was stuned too - to concert pitch (A=440)


5 posted on 04/09/2014 11:05:35 AM PDT by relictele (Principiis obsta & Finem respice - Resist The Beginnings & Consider The End)
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To: don-o
"I was stuned."

How's your beeber doin'?

6 posted on 04/09/2014 11:05:44 AM PDT by Paladin2
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To: McGruff
StuNed or Studeren in Nederland is a scholarship programme that is an integral part of the bilateral cooperation between the Governments of the Netherlands and Indonesia.

I see what you did there. Took a minute....

7 posted on 04/09/2014 11:05:54 AM PDT by don-o (He will not share His glory and He will NOT be mocked! Blessed be the name of the Lord forever!)
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To: GeronL; rdb3; Calvinist_Dark_Lord; JosephW; Only1choice____Freedom; amigatec; Still Thinking; ...

You're asking me? LOL! The last time I ran defrag was in 2003.

8 posted on 04/09/2014 11:06:07 AM PDT by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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To: don-o

New word! New word!

I call it.


9 posted on 04/09/2014 11:06:59 AM PDT by McGruff (Want to hurt Mozilla? Don't use Firefox's search bar. That is their money maker.)
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To: GeronL

If you’re still using Linux, there’s no need for defrag ;^)


10 posted on 04/09/2014 11:07:28 AM PDT by Bikkuri (Molon Labe)
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To: Paladin2
How's your beeber doin'?

Lemme check. Hibernating.

11 posted on 04/09/2014 11:07:40 AM PDT by don-o (He will not share His glory and He will NOT be mocked! Blessed be the name of the Lord forever!)
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To: don-o

Bump for later.


12 posted on 04/09/2014 11:09:31 AM PDT by EveningStar
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To: McGruff
New word!

For want of a T & A.

I amaze myself.

13 posted on 04/09/2014 11:09:45 AM PDT by don-o (He will not share His glory and He will NOT be mocked! Blessed be the name of the Lord forever!)
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To: don-o
How old is this disk? 1 day for 14% fragmentation? I've seen database server disks over 40% fragmented, and they worked normal.

I'd suggest you download a disk check utility such as DiskCheckup by Passmark and make sure your disk isn't failing. Make a backup to external disk ASAP. Disk performance issues are often the first sign of a failing HDD.

14 posted on 04/09/2014 11:09:55 AM PDT by rarestia (It's time to water the Tree of Liberty.)
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To: don-o
But seriesly Windows may have been downloading some updates which can make you computer act slow. Defragging helps but isn't a cure.
15 posted on 04/09/2014 11:09:59 AM PDT by McGruff (Want to hurt Mozilla? Don't use Firefox's search bar. That is their money maker.)
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To: don-o

How big is the drive?


16 posted on 04/09/2014 11:10:50 AM PDT by gunnut
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To: don-o
There used to disk management tools that would not only defrag, but load the most frequently used files/folders/directories onto the early disk sectors (where read rates are faster).

Who knows what M$ does anymore?

17 posted on 04/09/2014 11:11:08 AM PDT by Paladin2
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To: don-o

Get yourself a SSD (Solid State Drive) and defregging will be a thing of the past.


18 posted on 04/09/2014 11:11:23 AM PDT by Blue Highway
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To: don-o

Your not series.


19 posted on 04/09/2014 11:11:30 AM PDT by I still care (I miss my friends, bagels, and the NYC skyline - but not the taxes. I love the South.)
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To: don-o

Try utilizing another defragging program such as “Defraggler” by Pirform. Quicker than MS Vista defragging program. The time spent defragging will depend on the % of framentation and the size of you hard drive.


20 posted on 04/09/2014 11:12:27 AM PDT by A_Tradition_Continues (formerly known as Politicalwit ...05/28/98 Class of '98)
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To: Bikkuri

my fan is broke - I cannot afford to fix it - right now I am using a borrowed XBox


21 posted on 04/09/2014 11:12:45 AM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans!)
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To: Bikkuri
If you’re still using Linux, there’s no need for defrag

SSD fixes that problem regardless of OS. One can get SSDs real cheap nowadays, and the performance increase is the most notable performance tweak available for machines since SATA became the norm for disks.

22 posted on 04/09/2014 11:13:18 AM PDT by rarestia (It's time to water the Tree of Liberty.)
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To: don-o

I’ve been using this for years and have no complaints;

http://www.auslogics.com/en/software/disk-defrag/

May take a while on first run but you can also optimize. Much faster than Windows defrag. Just watch where you click and what you check when downloading. A full defrag and optimize only takes about 5 minutes. Defrag only takes about a minute.


23 posted on 04/09/2014 11:13:21 AM PDT by Hillarys Gate Cult (Liberals make unrealistic demands on reality and reality doesn't oblige them.)
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To: A_Tradition_Continues

framentation=fragmentation


24 posted on 04/09/2014 11:13:56 AM PDT by A_Tradition_Continues (formerly known as Politicalwit ...05/28/98 Class of '98)
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To: gunnut

455 Gb


25 posted on 04/09/2014 11:14:08 AM PDT by don-o (He will not share His glory and He will NOT be mocked! Blessed be the name of the Lord forever!)
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To: don-o; All

How full is your hard disk percentage wise?


26 posted on 04/09/2014 11:14:10 AM PDT by Amendment10
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To: Blue Highway; don-o
Get yourself a SSD (Solid State Drive) and defregging will be a thing of the past.

I second that, and they seem to be rather affordable these days.

27 posted on 04/09/2014 11:14:16 AM PDT by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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To: rarestia

Good idea - I am due for a backup


28 posted on 04/09/2014 11:14:53 AM PDT by don-o (He will not share His glory and He will NOT be mocked! Blessed be the name of the Lord forever!)
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To: A_Tradition_Continues
“Defraggler” by Pirform.

That's what I am running now. Down to 13%

29 posted on 04/09/2014 11:16:07 AM PDT by don-o (He will not share His glory and He will NOT be mocked! Blessed be the name of the Lord forever!)
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To: don-o

Auslogics has a great defragmenter that is free. It moves system files to the front of the disk as well. Their registry cleaner is also free and can improved overall performance as well.


30 posted on 04/09/2014 11:16:52 AM PDT by taxcontrol
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To: don-o

I remember FraggleRock

never mind


31 posted on 04/09/2014 11:16:57 AM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans!)
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To: don-o

This is a situation of much gravity. You have lost your gees.


32 posted on 04/09/2014 11:17:45 AM PDT by Starstruck (If my reply offends, you probably don't understand sarcasm or criticism...or do.)
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To: Amendment10
How full is your hard disk percentage wise?

13

33 posted on 04/09/2014 11:18:02 AM PDT by don-o (He will not share His glory and He will NOT be mocked! Blessed be the name of the Lord forever!)
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To: GeronL

ouch :/


34 posted on 04/09/2014 11:18:44 AM PDT by Bikkuri (Molon Labe)
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To: rarestia
One can get SSDs real cheap nowadays...

Concur on the recommendation and yep, they've come way down. All my personal boxes have an SSD as a primary drive now. Better performance, lower power usage and heat. Not much of a downside there.

That said, they can have their own little quirks. I bought one of the Intel drives back in the "update your firmware, brick your drive" days. Ugly.

35 posted on 04/09/2014 11:19:59 AM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: Bikkuri

someone needs to start a fundraiser for me

lol


36 posted on 04/09/2014 11:21:30 AM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans!)
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To: All

It’s already running better.


37 posted on 04/09/2014 11:21:41 AM PDT by don-o (He will not share His glory and He will NOT be mocked! Blessed be the name of the Lord forever!)
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To: Billthedrill
Most of the mfrs are real good with their firmware flashing software nowadays. As long as you use a boot disk to do the flash and don't flash a system drive while it's in use, it's almost impossible to brick an SSD.

However, when you DO brick an SSD, there's no hope for recovery. I bought 2 OCZ Agility 3 SSDs a few years ago, and I had massive problems with one of them for a long time. When I finally posted to their forums, they had me run diagnostics against the disk which revealed problems. I made a backup, blanked the disk, shipped it to them, and they sent me a replacement tout de suite. All around a good experience.

However, there are some very visible issues with S3 sleep and SSDs that many manufacturers are having trouble overcoming; or at least they were a couple years ago. I'm building a new gaming rig this weekend, and I've gone over to Samsung for my SSD. I hope I don't have any issues.

Samsung 840 EVO 120 GB SATA III on NewEgg for only $90! THAT'S a steal.

38 posted on 04/09/2014 11:24:32 AM PDT by rarestia (It's time to water the Tree of Liberty.)
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To: don-o

Only 13%!

That’s good news. That’s just one less check that you have to consider to keep your drive in good shape.


39 posted on 04/09/2014 11:25:18 AM PDT by Amendment10
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To: Paladin2; don-o
Windows optimizes the disk to improve program load times. Defragmenting with tools other than Windows® is generally not recommended unless they have a certification approval sticker. Even then, I'd be very surprised if fragmentation is the cause of the performance problem.

I'd recommend downloading this first: Seatools for Windows [or some other disk diagnostic tool.] Check for S.M.A.R.T. or other errors on the disk.

As other have observed, the best thing you can do is get an SSD.

40 posted on 04/09/2014 11:25:30 AM PDT by FredZarguna (Das ist nicht nur nicht richtig, es ist nicht einmal falsch!)
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To: don-o
My laptop suddenly was less responsive.

The word suddenly is a clue: did you one day create gigabytes of files on your laptop ? If you did not create a lot of huge files all at once, but instead used more disk space gradually over time, as is typical, then there should not "sudddenly" be a change in performance. (this is possible if you were running a database server, but you're not).

I regularly run disc cleanup and defrag, using the built in Win 7 tools. On a whim, I installed Defraggler and it shows my HD 14% fragmented.

Noticeable decrease in responsiveness because of disk fragmentation would only occur when reading or writing the disk.

Disk reads and writes tend to not to be very large for normal user PC's. The largest would typically be images/pictures. So, for example, once you've read an image file from disk and displayed it on the screen, the disk I/O is done.

If the unresponsiveness goes on pretty much all the time, i.e., your PC is just doggy, herky-jerky, etc., then you've got either malware (you picked up from a web ad, email, etc.) running and don't know it, or some of the applications you run have problems.

Is only your web browsing slow ? other applications ? or all applications ?

First off, I try disconnecting physically from the internet. Malware can sometimes be feverishly working using your internet connection. You can experiment by disconnecting the wire/cable from the internet is the sure way to stop all your network traffic.
41 posted on 04/09/2014 11:27:29 AM PDT by PieterCasparzen (We have to fix things ourselves)
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To: FredZarguna
As other have observed, the best thing you can do is get an SSD.

I have seen several suggest this. I have no clue what it is or how to follow the suggestion.

42 posted on 04/09/2014 11:27:40 AM PDT by don-o (He will not share His glory and He will NOT be mocked! Blessed be the name of the Lord forever!)
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To: don-o

Get an SSD, no more problems


43 posted on 04/09/2014 11:28:10 AM PDT by ImJustAnotherOkie (zerogottago)
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To: don-o
Got it running now, and it's saying it will take more than 1 day to complete.

Defraggler's timer is off - it gets better as it goes. It'll be an hour or two the first go around, thereafter it will be quicker.

44 posted on 04/09/2014 11:28:53 AM PDT by roamer_1 (Globalism is just socialism in a business suit.)
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To: don-o

SSD is not needed for most users.

It’s a solid-state hard drive, i.e., no disk, just memory chips.


45 posted on 04/09/2014 11:29:21 AM PDT by PieterCasparzen (We have to fix things ourselves)
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To: PieterCasparzen

Thanks PC. First thing I did was run MalWarebytes quick scan. Came up clean.

I have done nothing except web surfing.

As I mentioned, she’s pretty much back to normal for responsiveness.


46 posted on 04/09/2014 11:31:22 AM PDT by don-o (He will not share His glory and He will NOT be mocked! Blessed be the name of the Lord forever!)
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To: don-o
It's a Solid State Disk drive. There are no platters. The drive is actually all solid state memory. Depending on numerous things, it can be 10 to 40 times faster than a hard disk.

Definitely do NOT buy this one: HP-ioDrive2-Duo-G2-IO-Accelerator-solid-state-drive-2410-GB-PCI-Expre

47 posted on 04/09/2014 11:31:39 AM PDT by FredZarguna (Das ist nicht nur nicht richtig, es ist nicht einmal falsch!)
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To: roamer_1

Yep. Dropped considerably - now 15 hrs to go


48 posted on 04/09/2014 11:32:35 AM PDT by don-o (He will not share His glory and He will NOT be mocked! Blessed be the name of the Lord forever!)
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To: don-o

Get CCleaner. It is free. It gets rid of temp files, etc. Then do the standard spyware and anti virus run. Then do a defrag.


49 posted on 04/09/2014 11:32:37 AM PDT by deadrock (I am someone else.)
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To: don-o
Have a look at a good sampling of the Samsung SSD's on this page. Samsung SSD's at Amazon
50 posted on 04/09/2014 11:33:29 AM PDT by FredZarguna (Das ist nicht nur nicht richtig, es ist nicht einmal falsch!)
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