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Posted on 04/10/2014 5:13:12 AM PDT by SavingtheRepublic.com
This all started over the govt taking land in 1993 that the Bundy family has had access to since the late 1870's in which their cattle graze. The land has been deemed a protected habitat for the desert turtle where Bundy's cattle can still graze as long as they pay the grazing tax. The family has refused to pay the tax which has ballooned according to the feds to $1.3 million, keep in mind to run this operation of armed govt
agent stormtroopers and removing the cattle the cost will be over $3 million! Yea that's the govt for you proving they cannot run anything!
Anyone see a problem with this right off the bat? If the grazing zone is deemed a habitat for a turtle how does paying a tax all of a sudden make it safe for the desert turtle? Grazing cattle theoretically are "destroying" said habitat are they not? But the govt sees a rancher paying a grazing tax as a remedy but makes no effort to restore the "damaged" areas! Typical govt hypocrisy!
This is an incredibly dangerous slope we are on.
Take note one of the protestors screaming at the BLM rangers is making it clear who the aggressors are and it isn't the unarmed people! Throwing a woman to the ground, repeated tasering of unarmed protestors who are no threat to armed stormtroopers with attack dogs is asking for trouble! With the current high level of disapproval for govt coupled with the prevalence of the internet, social media, 24/7 new coverages this standoff is going to escalate extremely fast. What you are witnessing are the early stages of what is referred to as the Bubba Effect...
Yea remember when Beck warned about it and everyone mocked him over it! Well it's coming to fruition now! Regardless of the true issue at hand whether one has broken the law or not people are so fed up they will come to another's aid to defend them. When this footage goes viral, and more like is to come, you can be sure the call to arms out already by citizen patriots is going to increase where the numbers will double if not triple. If a shot is fired by the feds be prepared for a conflict, the people of this nation are completely fed up with govt violations in every aspect of our lives and will not allow another Waco or Ruby Ridge.
The only advice I can give those rushing to support the Cliven Bundy and his family is be careful and have the law on your side. Do not keep the govt stormtroopers the edge, you have to be one step ahead of them. Keep cool use your heads, the protestors in this video won this battle running the rangers out without any violence on their part! There is a right way to do this but REMEMBER the Battle of Athens http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLwuZ-mT8eNLDG0hzu2mEyCr8lml4av1e_
Watching videos from there and its not looking good. Mention of militias heading there. Can’t confirm for sure.
Waco and Oklahoma City helped Clinton in the polls. Obama is setting up his own mass murder. Watch for the demonization of the Bundys as nutcases, religious kooks, etc.
There are YouTube recordings (that the owner, Google, has not yet been given orders under Obama to be squelched), of militias enroute, YouTube being what it is.
How many Occutards got tased?
"I would strongly discourage you all from hitching your cart to this particular horse. While I have all manner of criticisms of the BLM and certainly of thuggish FEDGOV tactics, it is essential that one pick ones battles very carefully, and this is NOT a good battle to pick. The guy in question has been grazing his cattle at essentially zero feed cost for upwards of twenty years (well, THAT makes the cattle business easier, doesnt it!) because he stopped paying the BLM any lease charges. Again, we can debate all manner of things including the ridiculous rules about closing land to grazing in order to protect lizards or prairie chickens or whatever the fake endangered species du jour is, and certainly we can debate the existence of the BLM itself, but there is no free lunch; everyone else pays to graze. This guy is claiming, as I understand it, some grandfathered right to the land through the Mormon cult (again, BIG red flag), but I dont buy it. This situation stinks all around to my refined sniffer, and I would NOT die on this hill. Since so many have asked, that is my read. Just be careful with this one."
The Bureau of Land Management (BLM) is seeking public comment on a programmatic environmental impact statement (PEIS) and possible land use plan amendments for the allocation of oil shale and tar sands resources.
The Bureau of Land Management is ran by Neil Kornze. He is a man who has ties with Harry Reid, mining and solar power. He had the support of the League of Conservative Voters and the Defenders of Wildlife. This is the man who is tasked with managing millions of acres of government land and resources on these lands owned by the tax payers.
Bureau of Land Management head
Here is who Barack Obama chose to lead the Bureau of Land Management.
Since March 1, 2013, Neil Kornze has been leading the Bureau of Land Management (BLM) as the agencys Principal Deputy Director. Kornze oversees the agencys management of more than 245 million acres of public land nationwide.
Prior to serving in his current role, Kornze was the BLMs Acting Deputy Director for Policy and Programs starting in October 2011. Kornze joined the organization in January 2011 as a Senior Advisor to the Director. In these roles, he worked on a broad range of issues, including renewable and conventional energy development, transmission siting, and conservation policy.
Kornze was a key player in the development of the Western Solar Plan and the agencys successful authorization of more than 10,000 megawatts of renewable energy, surpassing a congressionally-established goal 3 years ahead of schedule. He has also been active in tribal consultation, especially as it relates to oil and gas and renewable energy development.
Before coming to the BLM, Kornze worked as a Senior Policy Advisor to U.S. Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid of Nevada. In his work for Senator Reid, which spanned from early 2003 to early 2011, he worked on a variety of public lands issues, including renewable energy development, mining, water, outdoor recreation, rural development, and wildlife. Kornze has also served as an international election observer in Macedonia, the Ukraine, and Georgia, and he is co-author of an article in The Oxford Companion to American Law.
Raised in Elko, Nevada, Kornze is a Phi Beta Kappa graduate with a degree in Politics from Whitman College in Walla Walla, Washington. He earned a masters degree in International Relations at the London School of Economics.
Someone who has no qualifications, other than political connections, seems to have put the Bureau of Land Management in a position to anger a lot of people, while they cattle rustle.
I totally agree with your post. People are fed up and looking for the “Lexington” moment to start this thing but this is not the right fight to pick. This guy was freeloading for 25 years. Got caught and now is raising a stink. I worry because as I said people are looking to fight back. We are sick and tied of government overreach and want a cause to support. This ain’t it IMO.
A lot of suppositions in Ms. Barnhardt’s assesment. Trying to make a claim he is the only one is specious at best. This is open range. I see the sign that the location is 9 miles from Mesquite. Have you or Ms. Barnhardt ever been to the area around Mesquite?
They were lucky the Feds did not fire into them.
Has anyone seen Lon Horiuchi yet?
That’s when you have to start worrying.
The land has belonged to the federal government since 1848, when it was acquired under the Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo.
From 1848 until passage of the Taylor Grazing Act of 1934, the federal government allowed free grazing on federal open range. The Taylor Grazing Act provided for grazing permits within the grazing districts established under the act. The permits required the payment of grazing fees.
The Taylor Grazing Act was subsequently pre-empted by the Federal Land Policy and Management Act of 1976, which continued to provide for grazing fees.
The grazing contracts have a ten-year term.
Nevada open-range law specifically recognizes federal grazing contract provisions as Nevada law.
From 1934 to 1993, the Bundy family had a grazing contract with the federal government and paid the grazing fee.
In 1993, Clive Bundy refused to sign a new grazing agreement with the BLM because the new agreement limited the number of cattle on the allotment (due to the presence of an endangered species of tortoise) and increased the grazing fee.
Bundy has not paid the grazing fee required by both federal and state law since 1993.
Bundy has lost every court case regarding his claimed right to use the BLM property to graze his cattle. He was first ordered by a federal court to remove his cattle in 1998.
The BLM is removing his cattle as 'trespassing cattle' pursuant to a third federal court order.
As we've now come to expect, the federal government has over-reacted in its display of force.
How on earth could the murder of woman and children help anyone? Wow! Just wow.
The Waco incident could have been handled without either side getting hurt, but no, the boy’z in black just can't wait to show off their toy's and tactics.
Don’t mess with Vets.
So in other words, Ried needs some more BLM land to develop.
That is what he did around Vegas. He got the feds to turn over vast areas of BLM land for development and then got kickbacks on each lot sold by the developer.
That is how he got rich.
The governor should call out the Nevada National Guard. Until the feds federalize those troops and send them home,, the governor any local sheriff should deputize every law-abiding citizen and tell them to arm themselves. Local and in state officials would outnumber the feds 10 to 1. The governor should then go down there on horseback and tell the federal government to get out of the state!
Its amazing how often endangered animals are found in commonly used areas and then once protected, they go extinct there.
I'm reminded of “naturalists” here in North Florida protesting that the Navy had to close a bombing range, because it had a very high concentration of tortoises. So with the range being heavily used for 50 years, how did the concentration get so high if the bombing was bad for the tortoises?
Same here. The cattle have been grazing the land for 140 years, so are they harmful or helpful?
I’m curious about something, and you seem to be up to speed on these matters.
Where I grew up (Missouri), state law required landowners to maintain 50% of common fence lines. Although you were liable for your own livestock, you were not liable for damage if they crossed through the 50% of fence that wasn’t your responsibility, IF the condition of the fencing was deemed inadequate.
What are the rules out west? Do the Feds have any responsibility to fence their property or is it entirely on the owner of the livestock to restrict them?
Yep. BLM under Obozo, Booger Eating Bureaucraps.
You may be right about the legal situation, but it seems it’d be better just to send a single cop out there to arrest him to handle it.
I’m likely not as familiar w/the details as you are but consider that just because others pay the fees does not justify the situation either. I’m reading this as an abuse of power by charging unreasonable fees and this particular rancher is the only one protesting it. He did apparently pay them until they bumped them up for some turtle.
Keep in mind that others that couldn’t afford the fees probably went out of business. This is part of the problem of an overly regulated country. The little guy has not chance to get themselves out of poverty.
Word went out from the Oathkeeper’s Stewrt Rhodes this morning.
This is good.
Here is counter local input:
Ill report all Ive been told on this deal with my meetings with Cliven and others. In 1993 they cut their permit by 50% citing the desert tortoise competing for forage with cattle. Some permitees took a buy out and sold out. Cliven stayed and refused to take their offer. He says it was about sixty thousand dollars. By 1998 they had completely closed down the Gold Butte area to livestock grazing. Still Cliven continued to graze. Even paying the county of Clark in which he resides in, in Nevada. So those that claim he never paid are simply mistaken. Of coarse he didnt pay the BLM because they were not sending him a grazing bill, they closed the area to grazing. A side note here: look up tortoise euthinization. They have run out of money to keep tending these turtles they are raising. So they plan on killing all these endangered tortoises they have raised. I believe this is much more to do with a dysfunctional government than aRancher. I dont like the fact that this issue has divided ranchers against ranchers. The sad truth is the government is in a sad state. I believe Cliven could have handled things differently and he will admit to that as well. But ask yourselves, would you sell your lively hood out because of a turtle and some environmental groups pressure on the BLM? I for one would not and when they list this Sage Hen as endangered, I personally believe a lot of us will have to do as Cliven has done and just say enough is enough. I have a love of these ranges, and a love for my cattle, family and my heritage. (Not in that order) I have a family to feed. And I will fight to feed them. Anyway if you have any questions let me know. Im knee deep in this deal. Especially my wife and her family. On other note.. I hate when people say we run our cattle on these ranges so cheaply. While our fees may seem rather cheap every year, I assure it is very expensive to purchase these grazing rights. Very expensive
Of course it would, in a rational world with a rational government.
How much of Nevada is owned by the Feds?
Except for military bases, there should be NO federal lands.
***Has anyone seen Lon Horiuchi yet?***
Maybe none of the protesters were carrying babies in their arms.
‘Maybe none of the protesters were carrying babies in their arms.’
What’s wrong with me? Of course.
Probably no dogs to kill either.
This guy was freeloading for 25 years. Got caught and now is raising a stink. I worry because as I said people are looking to fight back. We are sick and tied of government overreach and want a cause to support. This aint it IMO.
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Didn’t the ‘free loading’ start when the Govt declared the land theirs OR -at the very least- broke precedent and started charging.
I thought WE WERE THE GOVERNMENT.
Is this any different than the city coming down YOUR street and declaring ALL the land from the sidewalk to YOUR STOOP, ‘right of way’ for City and or other utilities (technically that ROW) extends a little beyond the sidewalk (in most areas) but the govt doesn’t ‘claim it’ inasmuch as charging you to use it.
They will ‘tell you’ you can or can’t do something on the ‘ROW’ but try to let that patch of grass etc go unmowed or such and the ‘Govt - though they ‘own’ it — will tell you it is your responsibility to mow it’.
I can confirm the militias being there. From several states. Others are watching closely. No camo, leave weapons in vehicles.
I agree with you this time. If this fellow owned the land and the government said he couldn’t use it for whatever reason, then I would be up in arms. But this is not his land, and for that reason alone, I don’t see this as anything other than what it is, a fellow pissed he didn’t get to continue grazing on land that didn’t belong to him.
Now if someone wants to make an issue that the government already owns too much land, that is fine, but it is another issue all together.
Anyone who thinks that is a “good thing” is an idiot IMO...
569.450. Trespass on cultivated land: No award of damages unless land enclosed by legal fence. No person is entitled to collect damages, and no court in this state may award damages, for any trespass of livestock on cultivated land in this state if the land, at the time of the trespass was not enclosed by a legal fence.
How can the BLM claim damages on unfenced land?
As far as I’m concerned, I don’t care if this man is grazing his cattle for free.
As far as I’m concerned, any exercise of federal force on individuals is WRONG. Their only jurisdiction is dealing with external threats and with unresolvable conflicts between state governments.
Well... He wasn’t. His family has paid for those access Rights for generations.
It’s the additional fee because of the turtle that was the breaking point there.
Correct me if I’m wrong...
Nevada Revised Statutes §§ 569.440-.450 provide that Nevada is an open-range state. The owner or manager of trespassing livestock is liable for damages to another's property only if the property is enclosed by a "legal fence." There is a process for removing 'estray' and 'feral' livestock, but Cliven Bundy's cattle do not meet the definitions for either category of livestock.
However, a federal court applying and interpreting Nevada common and statutory law in United States v. Bundy, Case No. CV-S-98-531-JBR (RJJ), 1998 U.S. Dist. LEXIS 23835 (D. Nev. Nov. 4, 1998), ruled that Bundy's cattle were trespassing cattle, subject to removal.
(N.R.S. Ch. 568 - Grazing and Ranging - Cooperation with Federal Agencies in Relation to Grazing Lands specifically applies the federal Taylor Grazing Act, 43 U.S.C. § 315 to Nevada land and requires the payment of grazing fees for use of federal property.
N.R.S. § 568.350 makes it unlawful for any person to lead, drive or in any manner remove any domestic livestock which are owned by another person from the range on which they are permitted to run without the consent of the owner. Again, a federal court ruled in 1998, and federal courts have subsequently ruled at least twice by referencing the 1998 ruling, that Nevada's open range laws do not allow Clive Bundy to graze his cattle on the BLM land.
I can rationalize it this way: Nevada state law and federal law require that Clive Bundy enter into a grazing agreement and pay a federal grazing fee to graze his livestock on federal property. Bundy has not paid his grazing fee for 21 years.
At common law, there must be a remedy for every wrong.
I can see two possible remedies for Bundy's failure to enter into a new grazing agreement and to pay a grazing fee. One, to sue Bundy for the $1 million+ the BLM claims he owes. I doubt the BLM wants to put this issue in the hands of a jury. Two, to remove the cattle as the remedy for a wrong.
You know more than I do.
Like I said, I don’t care IF he wasn’t paying...
And as for the health of the land, well managed grazing animals IMPROVE land quality. That’s been shown again and again.
Agreed. From some things I’ve read over on FB, and elsewhere, the family has made improvements all over this parcel of land over the last couple of generations. Water tanks, ranch roads, etc... All from their own pocket.
Now, because of a turtle... Feds be a stormtroopin’...
All news reports state Bundy said he is willing to pay grazing fees but only to Clark County, not BLM. I've never seen anything from Bundy stating that he has paid grazing fees to Clark County.
Thats exactly what I thought...This isnt his land....at all
This looks like a setup....for some bad press....its stupid.
Defame an entire demographic with coverage of this shyster.
Yes, I would like to know why the standard state laws for grazing wouldn’t apply, i.e. obligation of a land owner to have a “legal fence”.
We had neighboring property to one of our pastors that was owned by a local man renowned for being the worst type of cattleman. He owned 40 acre plots all over the county, moved his cattle around from one to the other all the time, and never kept up his fences.
His cattle would get out onto our property and he would never respond when called to come get his cattle in and fix his fence.
One summer he decided to plant corn on the other side of the fence from our cattle pastor. Guess what, once those ears started filling in our cattle moved in mass through his 2 wire rusty fence and began feasting on that corn. Dad called him and left a message, “Harry, you need to come out fix your fence, my cattle are moving through it.” Not realizing which fence it was, Harry did his norm and just ignored the call. Within a couple of weeks, the corn was gone.
Later on we had an issue with about a dozen of his cattle that had gotten out and we woke up with them in our garden. When called he said, “I’ll be out in a few days to take care of it.” We ran the cattle down the road about 4 miles and told him the same when he came out (2 weeks later).
The feds get a perfect statement out of this.....”greedy rich white rancher with guns”.....living off “federal” land for free for generations”...and killing off a cute turtle....to boot....Great
From 1934 to 1993, the Bundy family held a grazing agreement and paid grazing fees for part of the old Bunkerville Allotment. That's where the Bundy family was grazing his cattle in 1993.
Now, Bundy is grazing his cattle in the old Bunkerville Allotment, the BLM's Gold Butte area, and National Park System land within the Overton Arm and Gold Butte areas of the Lake Mead National Recreation Area. The Bundy family never paid for access to the Gold Butte or Overton Arm areas.
Why did they have to move the grazing area?
Was it because of a turtle and the Endangered Species Act?
Yeah... About that...
He is still grazing cattle on the original old Bunkerville grazing allotment.
Since he quit paying grazing fees, he expanded to graze in additional BLM property in the Gold Butte area.
He also expanded into National Park System property within the Lake Mead National Recreation Area.
Except for military bases, there should be NO federal lands.
NO fair. You peeked at the Constitution.
In for a penny, in for a pound...
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