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RIP, Windows XP. Dell Inspiron 7000, Anyone?
April 11, 2014 | This Just In

Posted on 04/11/2014 9:31:26 PM PDT by This Just In

Good evening, Freepers...

Our PC ran on Win XP, and although we continue to use our Dell, I'm in the market for yet another laptop to replace this XP.

There's one particular laptop that's caught my eye today. The Dell Inspiron 17 7000 looks like a decent buy. Would any of you happen to own this model? If so, would you care to share your advice/suggestions? If any of you have some information that would be helpful, I'd appreciate it.

Thank you for your time and assistance.

TJI


TOPICS: Computers/Internet; Miscellaneous
KEYWORDS: laptop; vanity
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1 posted on 04/11/2014 9:31:27 PM PDT by This Just In
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To: This Just In

Have you used Windows 8 before?


2 posted on 04/11/2014 9:35:30 PM PDT by Java4Jay (The evils of government are directly proportional to the tolerance of the people.)
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To: Java4Jay

I call it Windows h8t. Yes, I’ve used it. I would rather buy a MacBookPro for various reasons. And one of those reasons is to avoid that OS. Unfortunately I have yet to find the elusive money tree, and so I’ll have to deal with Win h8t. I plan to wipe everything including the bloat, and install Win. 7.


3 posted on 04/11/2014 9:41:16 PM PDT by This Just In
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Very nice! I have the XPS 8700 Dell that came with Windows 8(I now have Windows 8.1) if your not a fan of the stupid tiles you can install Startisback and it brings a start button to the desktop mode and you can program it so that it will always boot up to desktop, that way it will feel the same as windows 7, you wont notice the difference at all.
Price is pretty steep so I would check out sites to see if there are any good coupons available to save a little dough


4 posted on 04/11/2014 9:41:19 PM PDT by Sarah Barracuda
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To: Sarah Barracuda

Thanks, Sarah Barracuda. I’ll check into that.


5 posted on 04/11/2014 9:42:49 PM PDT by This Just In
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To: This Just In

Not to take away form the original reason for the thread, however:

I’m thinking of updating from windows 7 to windows 8 ... what surprises should I expect? And how much will it cost me? Is it worth it?


6 posted on 04/11/2014 9:44:32 PM PDT by doc1019
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Yeah it will make it so that you won’t have to see the annoying tiles(Unless you want to, by clicking the windows button the keyboard) also..not sure if you will have any issue but if your laptop will have bluetooth..I had an issue that my desktop bluetooth was NOT compatible with the windows 8 update..it made it so that the PC would take forever to shut down, took 20 dell reps to finally figure out the problem, had to roll back the update to 2012 so that I wouldnt have anymore issues so be aware of that
For good deals(like coupons and stuff) check out slickdeals.net or just search the web..if you have Dell advantage you get another 5 percent off


7 posted on 04/11/2014 9:47:50 PM PDT by Sarah Barracuda
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To: This Just In

Win 7 is pretty good.

If I had no options for alternatives to Win 8x, I’d install Linux in a heartbeat.


8 posted on 04/11/2014 9:49:00 PM PDT by KoRn (Department of Homeland Security, Certified - "Right Wing Extremist")
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To: doc1019

*ahem*

Allow me to enlighten you. Please watch this tutorial:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WTYet-qf1jo

The above video about sums it up.


9 posted on 04/11/2014 9:49:25 PM PDT by This Just In
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To: Java4Jay

No, but I’ve looked at it and it doesn’t generate warm & fuzzy feelings.

I am in the same boat as the poster. I have two Dell XP desktops networked for me and the wife. We obviously need to upgrade.

I’m thinking about going Apple since we have to learn an operating system anyway with W8 or OS. I use an Iphone so it seems logical I go all Apple.

Problem is price and configurations. I need a desktop with a 4 & 1 printer which I’ll need to upgrade also. I’m thinking about a IMac with a 27” screen with an Apple notebook of some type.

I’d like some input as if that would work for two people who use their machines daily for personal and hobby bidness. I’ve never needed a laptop so I have no experience with them. Thanks in advance for your response.


10 posted on 04/11/2014 9:49:45 PM PDT by bigfootbob
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To: KoRn

I’d prefer Linux as well.


11 posted on 04/11/2014 9:50:12 PM PDT by This Just In
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To: doc1019

MSFT is now in the process of trying to make Win 8 look like Win 7. What does that tell you?

Dell, Lenovo (my personal fav), et al have backed away from Win 8. Some of them are offering Win 7 on new machines. Reason? Win 8 is so radically different from Win 7 that their tech support departments have been totally overwhelmed with folks wanting to know how to use Win 8. Most popular questions: “Where’s the Start button?” and “Where’s the Shutdown button?”

Both can be had by installing Classic Shell. http://www.classicshell.net/


12 posted on 04/11/2014 9:51:50 PM PDT by upchuck (Support ABLE, the Anybody But Lindsey Effort. Yes, we are the ABLE!!)
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To: KoRn

I’m looking at http://linuxmint.com/

I made the bootable DVD and tried it, looks good running from the DVD.

Thinking I’ll install it to dual boot with XP to try it further. The manual is decent and it comes with an open source “Office Suite”.


13 posted on 04/11/2014 9:53:28 PM PDT by 1066AD
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To: upchuck

Other “Most Popular Questions:”

Where did my cursor go?

Why did the screen go black while I was watching a movie?

What the !*#@! happened to my page?!

How the !%*&! did I end up here?!


14 posted on 04/11/2014 9:58:11 PM PDT by This Just In
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To: This Just In

:)


15 posted on 04/11/2014 9:59:22 PM PDT by upchuck (Support ABLE, the Anybody But Lindsey Effort. Yes, we are the ABLE!!)
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To: This Just In

FWIW get the speed and memory you need for the price.

Any computer you buy now is automatically feeding data to YOUR government.

Or some other government.

Like there is a difference.

Every time you go online.


16 posted on 04/11/2014 10:00:01 PM PDT by bigheadfred
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To: doc1019

>>> I’m thinking of updating from windows 7 to windows 8
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There is no need. W7 is good operating system.


17 posted on 04/11/2014 10:00:58 PM PDT by Jeff Chandler (Obamacare: You can't make an omelette without breaking a few eggs.)
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To: This Just In

I only had to watch 10 min. and my question was answered ... thanks.


18 posted on 04/11/2014 10:01:26 PM PDT by doc1019
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To: 1066AD

I installed mint with cinnamon on my FIL’s old XP machine. It runs nice. I never did get it to work with the printer but he never prints any way.


19 posted on 04/11/2014 10:03:22 PM PDT by Jeff Chandler (Obamacare: You can't make an omelette without breaking a few eggs.)
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To: bigheadfred

Pardon me, but do you mean to say that the speed and memory doesn’t matter, or it does.....as it relates to data feed?


20 posted on 04/11/2014 10:04:24 PM PDT by This Just In
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To: doc1019

You’re welcome. I have one college student using a MacBookPro. The other’s using a Asus with Win 8. I love using the Mac. After each use on Win h8t, I have to take an anger management class just to calm down.


21 posted on 04/11/2014 10:06:55 PM PDT by This Just In
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To: This Just In

ROFLMAO! Again, thanks ... you have saved me from a fate worse than death.


22 posted on 04/11/2014 10:12:12 PM PDT by doc1019 (!)
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To: This Just In

In 30 years in the computer industry, I never owned a Mac till last December.
Bought a 15” macbook pro and love it. (Late 2013 model).


23 posted on 04/11/2014 10:13:13 PM PDT by Zathras
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To: This Just In

what i am saying is if you cannot afford the jobs bill (apple) get any make or model out there that has the rem and ram to run whatever you are doing if you are a gamer go for that but if you are joe blow like me that just got a toshiba satellite for a laptop it is great


24 posted on 04/11/2014 10:17:53 PM PDT by bigheadfred
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To: Zathras

I’ve used Macs, Dells, Lenovos, Asus’, HP’s, etc. Mac’s my fav, hands down. Nothing else comes close for me. Unfortunately, the price is steep.


25 posted on 04/11/2014 10:19:31 PM PDT by This Just In
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To: bigheadfred

Ok. I understand. Thank you.


26 posted on 04/11/2014 10:22:49 PM PDT by This Just In
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To: upchuck
MSFT is now in the process of trying to make Win 8 look like Win 7. What does that tell you?

It tells me that Win 8 is a improved version of Win 7. They are very similar. The problem is Microsoft tried to force people to use the new UI without an easy way to opt out. That's changed. It's now easy to default to the desktop, and essentially have the Win 7 experience with Win 8.

27 posted on 04/11/2014 10:24:36 PM PDT by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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I understand.

we all do until we get it

28 posted on 04/11/2014 10:30:13 PM PDT by bigheadfred
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To: bigheadfred

:^)


29 posted on 04/11/2014 10:31:27 PM PDT by This Just In
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To: This Just In
The above video about sums it up.

A clear and competent communicator, you're not.

30 posted on 04/11/2014 10:34:51 PM PDT by publius911 ( At least Nixon had the good g race to resign!)
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To: publius911

“A clear and competent communicator, you’re not.”

The above video about sums it up.

:^)


31 posted on 04/11/2014 10:40:24 PM PDT by This Just In
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To: This Just In
Our PC ran on Win XP, and although we continue to use our Dell, I'm in the market for yet another laptop to replace this XP.

Your current PC is a laptop? (Implied in your comment..)

Couple of thoughts for you. Depending on the hardware of your XP machine, you might want to investigate loading Win7 on it as a way to extend its useful life. If the manufacturer lists drivers for Vista for your present machine, odds are really good that you can get Win7 to install and run properly. You can also run Windows 7 Upgrade Advisor and it will pretty much let you know whether that is a route you can take. My last remaining XP laptop will be getting a Win7 install (when I get to it..;-) and Vista drivers are available for it, but the upgrade advisor indicates that Win7 has suitable Win7 drivers available from Win Update.

As you indicated later re:WinAte, I plan to wipe and fresh install Win7 (actually, I'm putting in a new hard drive and putting the old drive in an external USB case so I keep my files. After I transfer my files off the old drive - again when I get around to it - I will wipe the old drive and have it as an external backup drive.)

Concerning your later comment about buying a WinAte machine and wiping it for a Win7 install, keep in mind that if you have a concern about warranty, you might be forced to hold off on that until the warranty expires. Having said that, that is exactly what I would do with any WinAte machine that crossed the threshold here.. ;-)

Another route with your older XP machine to extend its usefullness would be to go the Linux route. Most current distros are easy on the eye but there is a learning curve. Again, most distros have a forum with loads of info and help. If your present machine is a single core processor, that might be your best bet. My oldest former XP laptop is now a Linux box for that reason. I was fairly certain that I could get Win7 to run on it but due to the vintage of the hardware, the usability would be impaired (translate: SLOOOW) with Windows 7, but seems fine under Linux (I used the Mint distro - your mileage may vary.. ;-)

And finally, if your present machine is a desktop, consider it an opportunity to do 'I'll build me a brand new box' thing.. You can get barebones collections of stuff from places like Tiger Direct and since you seem to be comfortable with op-sys installs, you can build it any way you like. Put your present drive in as a secondary drive and your files are right there. Again, my process is to copy off the files then wipe the old drive, reformat it and use is as storage. Keep in mind if you do that that many manufacturers have their restore stuff stuck in a second partition on the main drive. If so you will need to delete all the partitions on the old drive and then create one primary partition and format it..

Hope some of this was helpful to your decision process.

32 posted on 04/11/2014 10:59:00 PM PDT by NoCmpromiz (John 14:6 is a non-pluralistic comment.)
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I tried looking for complaints on this model but there does not seem to be any. 5 stars and positive comments from those that own it. It also has a touchscreen and up to 1920 resolution. Be careful eating peanut butter & jelly sandwiches....

http://www.gadgetreview.com/2013/10/dells-new-2013-inspirion-7000-series-14-15-and-17.html


33 posted on 04/12/2014 12:28:26 AM PDT by minnesota_bound
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Great info., NoCmpormiz. Thank you.

I was referring to our desktop. The, “...yet another...” was a morph of the whole desktop/laptop/replace desktop w/laptop idea I had swimming around in my head. You must pardon me. My brain’s running on fumes.

Our second child needed a laptop for college several months ago. Along with this fact, we’re in need of another PC. Rather than replace our desktop with another, I wanted to purchase a laptop instead. You can see how my thread mixed and matched.

The DIY sounds great, but I’ve visited sites such as Tiger Direct. I’d rather stick with the laptop plan. It’s financially more feasible for us at this point. My better half and I don’t have a laptop. Our kids do, though, along with their iPods and iPads. :^) So I thought it would be a more useful/flexible option.

I don’t wish to put another dime into this desktop. I’d rather save all that for a decent laptop. The Mac would be my first choice, but I refuse to drop that kind of money.

I had forgotten about the warranty issue. Thanks for mentioning that.

“...you might be forced to hold off on that until the warranty expires.”

The thought of using Windows h8t causes me to twitch.


34 posted on 04/12/2014 12:43:34 AM PDT by This Just In
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To: minnesota_bound

Great info. Thank you.


35 posted on 04/12/2014 12:44:59 AM PDT by This Just In
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OK...

Couple more thoughts before I go to bed... (wife will kill me when she gets up and I'm still snoring - we have the grandkids for the weekend, if that makes any sense.. ;-)

Depending on your comfort level, check EBay for Win 7 laptops... There are a lot of them - new, refurb, used, off lease-- all depends on your price point but you will avoid the WinAte feces, and won't cost as much as new-from-Staples-or-Dell... Just as an example and by no means a recommendation, just a quick search, finds this 'refurb' with Win7 Pro (try to stay away from the Win7 Home - although that's still better than WinAte - again, that is my bias, you mileage again may vary ;-)

HP EliteBook 8730w 17 Core2Duo Win7 NVidia Laptop

EBay says they have close to 1400 listings of new Win7 laptops, another 1100 manufacturer refurbs and 3300 'seller refurb' units and 5000 used in the US. (I exclude outside US listings.) Some of these they list as refurbs were originally Vista machines returned off lease and re-brained with Win7. You can get a lot of laptop for a lot less money that way, and it still has decent specs - not a top of the line screaming gaming machine, but certainly well suited for home use and still with a lot of life left in them.

If you've bought on EBay you know how to navigate, if not read the description carefully paying attention to both what is said and what is not said, don't assume anything and ask seller a question to clarify any doubts. Watch the feedback percentage and the number.. Don't buy from someone that just signed up last week. ;-)

Of the 4 laptops in this house, I bought one new, and the other 3 came off of EBay, one was a lease return that had been returned to it's original configuration which included a MS Office Pro install which made it a good deal.

Possibly Amazon will have some, although I don't check there often - they hit me for that NY sales tax gouging. Although you sometimes can find good deals on Craigslist, I don't recommend that avenue..

And good luck.. ;-)

36 posted on 04/12/2014 1:34:28 AM PDT by NoCmpromiz (John 14:6 is a non-pluralistic comment.)
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Dell is aware that a lot of people prefer Windows 7 over 8.

They give you a choice of factory installed (always best) 7 or 8 on two of their laptops, but I can't recall which ones.

Keep one thing in mind, though.

The product life of XP was extended again and again because of huge corporate use.

It will not be a surprise to anyone if they shut down support for Windows 7 on a much faster schedule, say, one or two years after Windows 9 comes out.

One more thing.....

I bought the Inspiron One with Windows 7 about 2.5 years ago.

It's a desktop, all in one screen and computer, with Bluetooth mouse and keyboard and printer.

No set up at all.

Just unpack, plug in, and everything fires up by itself.

It has run almost perfectly.

I had one problem with a McAfee security scan, but the Inspiron self-diagnosed a Hard Drive error, showed me how to fix two lines of code, then it ran perfectly.

Another time, when I logged in, the screen went black.

That was trickier, but I finally figured out how to start the self-diagnosis, it showed me what to do, problem solved.

I pre-paid 3 years for the most expensive maintenance contract, and I have never used it.

I will keep renewing my maintenance contract and McAfee contract until they stop supporting Windows 7.

Unless you MUST have a laptop, the all in one Inspiron is a thing of beauty.

37 posted on 04/12/2014 2:30:26 AM PDT by zeestephen
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Allow me to enlighten you. Please watch this tutorial:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WTYet-qf1jo

The above video about sums it up.

WOW! That really nailed it. I tried setting up a new laptop for a friend which had Win8.

ARRRRRGH!

Thankfully, Win8.1 came out and I was able to finish the task.

It appears the Microsoft has finally been bitten in their rear by their own hubris.

Thanks for posting the link. While trying to use Win8, I was beginning to think that senility has finally overtaken me! And I used to work corporate desktop support back in the Win95/98/NT era. I started on computers with CP/M-86 and DOS 2.11.

38 posted on 04/12/2014 2:35:17 AM PDT by BwanaNdege
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I’ve had Dells, HPs, put-togethers, even that Gateway company.

I finally broke down and bought a 15” MacBook Pro about 18 months ago for portable use. With the MS Office pack, it’s pretty much seamless if you can get over the slight differences between the way the graphics interface works (icons, symbology, terminology).


39 posted on 04/12/2014 2:46:44 AM PDT by Gaffer (Comprehensive Immigration Reform is just another name for Comprehensive Capitulation)
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To: This Just In
A good reason to avoid WINDERS 8 is right here.

Newest Update Windows 8.1 Update for x64-based Systems (KB2919355) Download size: 887.6 MB

Now The Stupid Goobers at MICROCRAP not only developed an OS where you can't shut down Cloud if you are on limited or measured bandwidth but they come up with this crap? I just bought this machine last month brand new because MICROCRAP stopped support on XP which worked fine on my only available way to go on line which is Dial Up.

The Browser on WINDERS 8 is a buggy as a $10 Motel. Issues that had been resolved in earlier IE editions are back such as the infamous disappearing text when you try to correct a sentence. You start typing and if you look down you'll notice you are also erasing your work. I've lost count of the "Can't Display This Page" screens per day.

The more I use the machine the more problems caused by MICROCRAP poor design of their TABLET type OS WINDERS 8 pops up. An 888MB Download would also hit Hughesnet customers real hard. MICROCRAP needs to dump this Piece Of Crap OS and go back to what was basic and reliable for all. I wouldn't have WINDERS 8 if it were free. I'd pay $100 to have the support back for XP though.

I've bought four previous machines with Microsoft OS from 98/2 to this. I was a happy customer with 98/2 I had on my first machine and XP I've had on three machines. This is my last MICROSOFT OS. This OS does not belong on a desktop. I don't care how many work arounds there are it stinks and the layout still sucks. The ones who approved it for desktop to be put on the market should have been fired.

40 posted on 04/12/2014 3:11:11 AM PDT by cva66snipe ((Two Choices left for U.S. One Nation Under GOD or One Nation Under Judgment? Which one say ye?))
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I just bought a new Acer Inspire laptop. I got it online through Walmart and I’m thrilled. I paid $699 with free shipping. Check out the specs for the price. I did my homework and read countless customer reviews on just about every brand. Need to mention that it is windows 7. I stayed away from 8. I love it. Long battery life, etc. Great machine for the money.


41 posted on 04/12/2014 6:01:40 AM PDT by stilloftyhenight (...staying home isn't an option.)
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To: bigfootbob

With a Mac, you will spend a huge pile of money to get a machine running Linux.


42 posted on 04/12/2014 6:03:35 AM PDT by AppyPappy
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To: This Just In

Go ahead and learn Windows 8. It doesn’t take that long. Like anything, you get used to it after a while. It has some tremendous advantages over previous Windows versions, especially for laptops.


43 posted on 04/12/2014 6:06:29 AM PDT by AppyPappy
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To: AppyPappy

Windows 8.1 is a fine operating system.

There seems to be a level of anti-Microsoft sentiment which just seems to come out in such discussions.


44 posted on 04/12/2014 6:15:41 AM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network (http://www.census.gov/foreign-trade/balance/c5700.html#2013)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

People railed about Windows XP and Windows 7 in the same way.


45 posted on 04/12/2014 6:24:58 AM PDT by AppyPappy
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To: This Just In

When I finally decided to upgrade from XP to Win7, I bought a Samsung junk 17” laptop. It lived one month after the warranty and the motherboard died. Samsung did not have replacement motherboard, thus I have an $800 doorstop.

I next bought a Dell 17” Win7 i7 processor. It was okay, but loading was slow. Eventually, the hard drive seemingly got messed up, files got corrupted, etc. I bought a new hard drive locally and used the Dell image disks to recreate my installation. The new drive loads Windows much faster.

Except for the need for the new hard drive, I am content with the Dell. It is much heavier than an older ACER XP 17” laptop I used to have and heavier than the Samsung-junker.

FYI


46 posted on 04/12/2014 6:30:31 AM PDT by TomGuy
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To: doc1019

windows 8 is not that bad, its just different. there is a small learning curve but once you get used to it, its really not that different. If my SO can use it anyone can. Things to note, 8 has less hardware requirements then 7 or vista so if your system is dual core its likely compatible. while the OS is touch you can easily use a keyboard and mouse, 1 issue however the curser has a tendency to disappear, very annoying, so you’ll want to make the curser black and disable trails and other effects. Current laptops are becoming less user repairable, so likely updating hardware in the future won’t be possible. Don’t skimp on the hardware unless you know you can upgrade.


47 posted on 04/12/2014 6:39:33 AM PDT by waynesa98
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To: Jeff Chandler

My only complaint with Windows 7 is that it is impossible to set up a wired network without a router of some sort.

I needed to transfer huge amounts of data between two computers and wanted full use of the Gigabit NICs my machines had through a gigabit switch. They would not communicate until I also ran a patch cable from my switch to my wireless router. Not exactly my idea of a secure wired LAN.

I refuse to use Windows 8 on any of my machines. I tried it out on a customer’s computer. How that abomination ever got released on the market is a mystery.


48 posted on 04/12/2014 7:36:38 AM PDT by EricT. (Everything not forbidden is compulsory.)
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To: NoCmpromiz; This Just In
Depending on the hardware of your XP machine, you might want to investigate loading Win7 on it as a way to extend its useful life.

I'll second that.

I've got an old Dell Precision workstation with an early Pentium Core 2 CPU. Win XP had become just about unusable on it. I suspect that Microsoft updates purposely slow their OS's down a little with every installed patch to force people to buy new computers (with a new version of Windows pre-installed, of course).

Anyway, I had an extra copy of Win 7 Professional and decided to give it a try on this rather dated box. I was pleasantly surprised with how much better it runs now. Win 7 breathed new life into this machine. I haven't even added more RAM to it yet; it still has the max that WinXP could use- 4GB. I can go up to 8GB on this system, and the 64-bit OS can actually make use of it.

49 posted on 04/12/2014 7:46:29 AM PDT by EricT. (Everything not forbidden is compulsory.)
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To: EricT.

I have two Windows 8 laptops and I wish at least one of them had my good old Windows 7 installed. In fact, I’m trying to look into getting rid of Windows 8 altogether. I think it is a horrible, ridiculous jumble that makes no sense whatsoever. If I wanted a smartphone for a computer I would have bought a smartphone so I could scroll around the screen. I don’t want that. I want what I was happy with. If it ain’t broke, don’t fix it.

Fortunately, I happened onto a good deal with an Asus desktop with Windows 7 for 1/2 price. I snapped that up at $399 some time ago and have been a happy camper ever since. To make it even more satisfying I use a good old IBM “clicky” keyboard and there is none better.

As I said if it ain’t broke don’t fix it.

For sale, two Windows 8 laptops. If not, maybe I can give them to the Salvation Army. I HATE, HATE, HATE Windows 8.


50 posted on 04/12/2014 8:38:57 AM PDT by RichardW
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