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9 big reasons why public schools wallow in mediocrity
YouTube ^ | April 8, 2014 | Bruce Deitrick Price

Posted on 04/12/2014 2:29:04 PM PDT by BruceDeitrickPrice

Video is only 3:15 minutes long. A short graphic presentation of the nine big flaws in public schools.

Suppose someone is asking the question, well, what can we do, where do we start?

Here's a list of nine places to start.

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Personally I like trying to radically simplify things. That is especially appropriate in education. What these professors spend their time doing is creating so much confusion, disinformation, propaganda, alibis, excuses, lies, etc., etc., etc., finally no ordinary citizen knows what to think about the subject anymore. And that's how the Education Establishment wins.

At some point you have to start all over again. Hey, how about we teach these kids to read, teach them to do arithmetic, teach them basic knowledge about their country and the world...That's the way it's been done since the beginning of history.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Chit/Chat; Conspiracy; Education
KEYWORDS: curriculum; k12educationreform; learning; publicschools; reading; teaching; unions

1 posted on 04/12/2014 2:29:04 PM PDT by BruceDeitrickPrice
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To: BruceDeitrickPrice

By stretching out the time it takes to educate somebody, it means more teachers must be hired to educate them. More teachers = more union dues.


2 posted on 04/12/2014 2:31:55 PM PDT by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death cults)
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To: BruceDeitrickPrice

Because liberals want as many ignorant people as possible. Ignorant people are easier to manipulate. That’s useful when you seek absolute, total power.


3 posted on 04/12/2014 2:35:35 PM PDT by TBP (Obama lies, Granny dies.)
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To: BruceDeitrickPrice
Here's my take:

1st reason: they are government schools. Let's stop calling them "public schools" and start calling them "government schools."

2nd reason: they are run by state teachers unions who don't care about education, other than Leftist indoctrination so they can keep getting their paychecks.

3rd reason: federal dept of education and "no child Left Behind" is all the problems with government schools on steroids

Fixing it:

1) Get the feds out of education and nuke the Dept of Education

2) Get education out of the hands of the state teacher's unions and back into the hands of local communities and parents.

4 posted on 04/12/2014 2:36:56 PM PDT by PapaNew
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To: BruceDeitrickPrice; All

The reason that public schools wallow in mediocrity is the following imo. The informal primary mission of public schools in the USA is to babysit kids for working parents, parents who don’t have enough energy at the end of the day to fight the indoctrination that their kids are getting from the public schools.


5 posted on 04/12/2014 2:39:24 PM PDT by Amendment10
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To: PapaNew

bump


6 posted on 04/12/2014 2:50:57 PM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans!)
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To: Amendment10

How to fix problem.
End Federal Gov. involvement in schools! Put control back in hands of the states. Go over the teaching guides and purge all the BS.
Teach what kids really need to know as citizens. Like how to do taxes and fill out an appilcation. And English.
Break the back of the Teaching Unions.


7 posted on 04/12/2014 2:51:17 PM PDT by Forward the Light Brigade (Into the Jaws of H*ll)
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To: Jonty30

Not taking advantage of modern technology in teaching methods.
Forcing teachers to spend time on marginally educable pupils. (To much parents influence)
Teachers CAN’T discipline pupils.


8 posted on 04/12/2014 2:52:41 PM PDT by aumrl (let's keep it real Conservatives)
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To: BruceDeitrickPrice
It's simple really.

As the percentage of dumb kids increases in the public schools, the worse the test scores of those schools get.

It's no more complicated than that.

9 posted on 04/12/2014 2:53:14 PM PDT by TexasFreeper2009 (Obama lied .. the economy died.)
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To: BruceDeitrickPrice

Crummy raw materials. Public schools populated by white students do just fine. American public schools turn out excellent product compared to the the populations of the old country. Asians do better than students in Asia, whites do better than students in Europe, blacks do better than students in Africa, and so on. What people are complaining about is the fact that blacks don’t do as well as whites. That will happen around the same time that whites are as well-represented on pro football and basketball teams and Olympic track teams as blacks.


10 posted on 04/12/2014 3:00:02 PM PDT by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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To: BruceDeitrickPrice

Because most people are mediocre and the public schools educate 90 + % of the population.

BTW, many of the sweet children are disrespectful and aren’t to interested in learning.


11 posted on 04/12/2014 3:04:48 PM PDT by sunrise_sunset
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To: BruceDeitrickPrice

Some people are just more ambitious than others.


12 posted on 04/12/2014 3:06:18 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: BruceDeitrickPrice
why public schools wallow in mediocrity

Leftist instructors.

13 posted on 04/12/2014 3:14:32 PM PDT by Libloather (Embrace the suck)
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To: Zhang Fei
Public schools populated by white students do just fine

Must be all that 'white privilege'.

14 posted on 04/12/2014 3:19:14 PM PDT by Altura Ct.
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To: PapaNew

2) Get education out of the hands of the state teacher’s unions and back into the hands of local communities and parents.

Parents will only be in control when they write the check for tuition and decide who to give it to.


15 posted on 04/12/2014 3:19:58 PM PDT by ALPAPilot
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To: BruceDeitrickPrice; metmom; JenB
Another Reason to Homeschool!

The video implies that if we could fixed these 9 things that somehow government schooling would be fixed. WRONG. It won't change because it is government owned and run. It is socialist schooling!

Here are the 9 things wrong with “public” education:

1) Government schooling is a GODLESS, single-payer, socialist-entitlement. This can not be fixed. It must be abolished.

2) Government schooling is a GODLESS, single-payer, socialist-entitlement. This can not be fixed. It must be abolished.

3)Government schooling is a GODLESS, single-payer, socialist-entitlement. This can not be fixed. It must be abolished.

4) Government schooling is a GODLESS, single-payer, socialist-entitlement. This can not be fixed. It must be abolished.

5)Government schooling is a GODLESS, single-payer, socialist-entitlement. This can not be fixed. It must be abolished.

6) Government schooling is a GODLESS, single-payer, socialist-entitlement. This can not be fixed. It must be abolished.

7)Government schooling is a GODLESS, single-payer, socialist-entitlement. This can not be fixed. It must be abolished.

8) Government schooling is a GODLESS, single-payer, socialist-entitlement. This can not be fixed. It must be abolished.

9)Government schooling is a GODLESS, single-payer, socialist-entitlement. This can not be fixed. It must be abolished.

16 posted on 04/12/2014 3:22:25 PM PDT by wintertime
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To: Forward the Light Brigade
How to fix problem

Many great ideas but the main action that will create immediate improvements in education is competition.

17 posted on 04/12/2014 3:22:43 PM PDT by MosesKnows (Love many, trust few, and always paddle your own canoe.)
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To: ALPAPilot

Get all schooling out of the hands of government and ONLY THEN will parents be in control.


18 posted on 04/12/2014 3:23:05 PM PDT by wintertime
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To: ALPAPilot
Parents will only be in control when they write the check for tuition and decide who to give it to.

Sounds like the start of a good implementation plan to me.

19 posted on 04/12/2014 3:24:09 PM PDT by PapaNew
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To: BruceDeitrickPrice

The MAIN reason government schools stink is that they are socialist.

Parents are separated from their money FIRST, BEFORE the schools provide their “services.”

This is why ALL socialist enterprises stink. The “customers” have NO POWER.


20 posted on 04/12/2014 3:25:18 PM PDT by Arthur McGowan
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To: Zhang Fei
Where are the studies that separate what is learned in the HOME from the parents ( and paid and unpaid tutors) from that which is learned in the classroom?

Where is the proof that government schools for white children are doing just fine.? Maybe it is the white families that are doing fine and the kids are doing somewhat OK IN SPITE of the government indoctrination.

It is my anecdotal observation that academically successful institutionalized children have parents that have done, and are doing, ***everything** that I did for my academically successful homeschoolers. The institutionalized children are spending just as much time doing HOMEWORK after school that my children did all day!

So?...My conclusion?

The schools are doing the teaching. It is the parents who are supervising the AFTER-schooling.

21 posted on 04/12/2014 3:29:10 PM PDT by wintertime
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To: TBP
liberals want as many ignorant people as possible

This observation is the result of logical conclusions.

Democrats often portray themselves as a beacon to the poor
Republicans "cater to the rich"

My father used to say:
The Republicans are the party of the rich.
The Democrats are the party of the poor.
The Republicans want as many people as possible to be rich.
The Democrats want as many people as possible to be poor.
Which would you rather be - rich or poor?

If these observations were reasonably accurate then my father’s logic was correct.

In order for the party of the rich to garner more votes, that party would assist as many Americans as possible to become richer.

Then this must also be true.

In order for the party of the poor to garner more votes, that party would assist as many Americans as possible to become poorer.

22 posted on 04/12/2014 3:29:32 PM PDT by MosesKnows (Love many, trust few, and always paddle your own canoe.)
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To: Zhang Fei
Public schools populated by white students do just fine.

No, they don't.

I live in an area where there are a number of "lily white" public schools. There are two where the students are doing fine. Housing in these two districts BTW sells at a premium. The rest are only doing slightly if at all better then the urban schools that are not white.

Otherwise the only schools that are doing well are the charter and private schools.

It doesn't fit with the template that some wish to push but bad teaching methods results in poorly educated students. It is no more complicated then that.

23 posted on 04/12/2014 3:31:46 PM PDT by Harmless Teddy Bear (Proud Infidel, Gun Nut, Religious Fanatic and Freedom Fiend)
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To: PapaNew
Locally controlled single-payer and socialist-entitlement schooling is still SOCIALIST schooling. In a few decades it morphs into state socialist schooling and then into federally controlled schooling.

Children who attend socialist-entitlement and single-payer schools risk learning to be comfortable with socialism. Gee! If the local voting mob can give them tuition-free school, why not use the voting mob to get **lots** of “free” stuff.

Please remember. It only took one to three generations of single-payer and socialist-entitlment schooling to give the nation Woodrow Wilson and Franklin D. Roosevelt.

24 posted on 04/12/2014 3:32:50 PM PDT by wintertime
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To: Harmless Teddy Bear
I wonder how much “after-schooling” and tutoring is going on in the so-called “better” districts.

It is entirely possible that these kids are doing “better” IN SPITE of being institutionalized in a government school.

It is my anecdotal observation that academically successful institutionalized children have parents that have done, and are doing, **everything** that my homeschooling children did. These institutionalized children are spending as much time just doing homework ( afterschooling) as my kids did all day. Seems to me that **real** work and learning is happening IN THE HOME!

25 posted on 04/12/2014 3:36:33 PM PDT by wintertime
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To: Arthur McGowan; BruceDeitrickPrice

The MAIN reason government schools stink is that they are socialist.
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While this is obvious. Bruce still doesn’t “get it”.


26 posted on 04/12/2014 3:38:33 PM PDT by wintertime
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To: Forward the Light Brigade

Nope! That would only be smearing icing on a poop cake.

The problem:

Government schools are single-payer, socialist-entitlement, and GODLESS abominations. This can not be fixed. Abolish them!


27 posted on 04/12/2014 3:41:25 PM PDT by wintertime
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To: wintertime
Well, first, the way I see it, after nuking the feds out of this whole thing, is the people of each state must vote for how they want their education.

Secondly, maybe the starting point in each state would be the (assumed, implicit, but not stated anywhere that I know of) rule or law that all children must get a certain degree of education. The problem with a law like that is it has to be enforced. Assuming it's not a Constitutional law but a state law, then that means the state has to enforce it. I might vote to do away with such a state law and leave it up to the counties or cities.

My preference would be NO government law, leaving it up to parents to drive the free market and through voluntary demand and supply create the highest quality, lowest cost education we've ever seen. AND NO FORCED UNIONS. Sure, it would be difficult at first but freedom always is difficult at first. But it would lay a foundation for the best kind of educational situation anywhere and others would either flock to it or copy it.

28 posted on 04/12/2014 3:51:27 PM PDT by PapaNew
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To: wintertime
Oh, quite a bit but they also have a reputation for finding and keeping good teachers.

If a student does not measure up they will make sure they get time at the "learning centers" which is basically group tutoring.

Lots of our local collage students pick up a few bucks doing private tutoring as well.

29 posted on 04/12/2014 3:51:53 PM PDT by Harmless Teddy Bear (Proud Infidel, Gun Nut, Religious Fanatic and Freedom Fiend)
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To: PapaNew

Eliminate “Education” degrees and require a real degree in a real subject area.

Education degrees and Journalism degrees are totally meaningless.


30 posted on 04/12/2014 3:55:18 PM PDT by newfreep
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To: TexasFreeper2009

Bingo....you win the prize. However unpopular it is to say it on a conservative forum: bad students make bad schools. Many conservatives have been fooled into thinking that putting lousy, lazy, many times violent students in good schools will make them good students. While I’d like to put in stricter methods and stronger programs in public schools (and get rid of all the lib crapola), there’s very little that can be done for millions of students with IQs in the 70-90 range.


31 posted on 04/12/2014 4:01:47 PM PDT by driftless2
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To: newfreep

Don’t forget Political Science degrees.


32 posted on 04/12/2014 4:13:36 PM PDT by mountn man (The Pleasure You Get From Life Is Equal To The Attitude You Put Into It)
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To: BruceDeitrickPrice

Diversity and it’s extreme fanatical supporters breeds mediocrity


33 posted on 04/12/2014 4:43:59 PM PDT by ronnie raygun
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To: BruceDeitrickPrice

“In June of 1963, the Supreme Court upheld the argument of the atheist Madelyn Murray O’Hare and promulgated an edict with ramifications so widespread it insured that God would be evicted from public society across the entire spectrum of the American governmental system.”

We are reaping what was sown from the seeds of that decision back in 1963. Just one example is the decline of education in government schools. Much more has declined within our government and our lives as a result of that evil decision.

Wake up! GOD has been asked to leave these classrooms and leave he did. The results are clearly before you. What more can we expect from GOD when we deny HIS love and goodness before our children.

IF you care for your children, get them into a school where GOD dwells in the classrooms. Our ancestors left Europe and other places to come to America to be free to worship GOD as they chose, not free from the worship of GOD. That includes the classroom.

Incidentally, over 50 million aborted children will never live to sit in any classroom.


34 posted on 04/12/2014 4:46:13 PM PDT by Texicanus (Texas, it's a whole 'nother country.)
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To: PapaNew

The first order of business in government education is to ban teachers unions. The unions are negotiating with politicians they endorse and helped get elected....who in this equation is looking out for the interests parents/taxpayers? Nobody....

Second order of business is to eliminate tenure. A job for life no matter what you do is simply wrong on so many levels I don’t even know where to begin on this.

Third, is to change the degree requirements for teachers. Start with the pedantic techniques they are taught, and change the coursework.
Most of these education majors have the highest GPA’s, and the lowest IQ’s. Yet the engineering schools have the lowest GPA’s and the highest IQ’s. The education department of every college is the intellectual slum of every university. The paradigm needs to be changed. The IQ of the education schools needs to be the equivalent of the engineering schools. Eliminate the soggy leftist boondoggle coursework for things like Calculus 1 as the primary filter. No pass Calc 1, no teaching credentials. This is a filter to drive off the riffraff, nothing more.

Fourth is to demand performance from the children. If they can’t do the work, then move them to the side, and let the ones who excel, advance to meet their needs. The behavior problems need to be dealt with. Expel them...end of story. I don’t want to hear about the prison pipeline. That pipeline begins in the fatherless welfare addicted homes...not in the schools. These miscreants were born like everyone else, it is that they were never civilized by their children parents. who themselves were never civilized by their children parents going on five generations now. And we wonder why our society is falling apart.

In all of this there needs to be impeachment and removal of any judge who enables these lowlife parents.


35 posted on 04/12/2014 5:04:14 PM PDT by Ouderkirk (To the left, everything must evidence that this or that strand of leftist theory is true)
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To: Texicanus
Fundamentally, government schools were an evil abomination from their very beginning. Why? For two reasons:

1) They were the nation's first single-payer, compulsory-use, socialist-entitlement. What do children risk learning in socialist schools? Answer: To be comfortable with socialism. One to three generations of socialist-entitlement schooling gave the nation Franklin D. Roosevelt!

2) It is **impossible** to have a religiously, culturally, and politically neutral education. Such a state of philosophic neutrality can NOT exist in the mind of any sentient being. Therefore....government schools WILL **NEVER** be religiously or politically neutral.

At their very best government socialist-entitlement schooling was merely generically lukewarm in its worldview. What does Christ do with the lukewarm? He spits them out of His mouth.

It was evil for the government to open socialist schools. It was evil then and it is evil for them to remain open.

Solution: Begin the process of privatizing all education in this nation.

By the way I attended 2 years of government high school. There was a **nod** in God's direction in the morning with the Lord's Prayer and a small scripture. After that it was non-stop GODLESS secularism. Personally, looking back on it, It was insulting.

36 posted on 04/12/2014 5:10:04 PM PDT by wintertime
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To: BruceDeitrickPrice

There is a lot of hard core communism and islamism that has snaked its way into curriculum from kindergarten through the universities. It is well established and it is going to be extremely hard to fight.


37 posted on 04/12/2014 5:10:14 PM PDT by onedoug
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To: wintertime; humblegunner
It is my anecdotal observation that academically successful institutionalized children have parents that have done, and are doing, ***everything** that I did for my academically successful homeschoolers. The institutionalized children are spending just as much time doing HOMEWORK after school that my children did all day!

You told me that anecdotal evidence means NOTHING. I have asked you for hard numbers before and you have yet to deliver. BTW you never replied as to whether you considered Westpoint a public school.

38 posted on 04/12/2014 5:34:37 PM PDT by Hope for the Republic (The 1st amendment is protected by the 2nd amendment)
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To: BruceDeitrickPrice

Went to moon.

We will never land on the moon ever again.

39 posted on 04/12/2014 6:13:17 PM PDT by equalator
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To: equalator
Went to moon.

Typical product of today's public schools.

"No Way!"

40 posted on 04/12/2014 6:15:43 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: wintertime

I agree with all you have said in reference to education and religion, especially the scary part:

“What does Christ do with the lukewarm? He spits them out of His mouth.”

Too many have learned to be “tolerate” of evil, and have become “lukewarm”. The ten commandments used to be taught in the classrooms of America. They were taught so that HIS children might know right and wrong, good and evil, and HIS righteous laws. Without them, we cannot judge anything to be right or wrong. No wonder students are oblivious to the evils of todays world.

But they are reminded instead not to judge others, lest they be judged. However, the fact they must first judge themselves is ignored. Which is all to say, would they find themselves to be “lukewarm” in the eyes of GOD. I hope not.


41 posted on 04/12/2014 6:26:47 PM PDT by Texicanus (Texas, it's a whole 'nother country.)
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42 posted on 04/12/2014 7:01:36 PM PDT by DarthDilbert
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To: Hope for the Republic

You are on my Ignore List. I don’t chase red herrings.

Of course, you are completely free to stalk and bully me, if you choose.


43 posted on 04/12/2014 9:02:12 PM PDT by wintertime
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To: PapaNew; Forward the Light Brigade

Easiest, and (IMHO) best solution, is the Capitalist solution:

Those utilizing the service of ‘public’ (gov’t) education PAYS for said education.

- No more perpetual property taxes (for those of us w/out children and/or not in school)
- Direct payment = can fire/hire as they wish
- ‘Schools’ would pop up left/right to fill the void where service is required/lacking
- (think the pros could take their own thread)...


44 posted on 04/12/2014 9:16:55 PM PDT by i_robot73 (Give me one example and I will show where gov't is the root of the problem(s).)
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To: newfreep
Eliminate “Education” degrees and require a real degree in a real subject area.

I agree. This alone would be a huge improvement.

It takes a certain type of personality to finish an "education" degree. An Ed degree is not something a normal, sensible, thinking person would every want to go through.

As it stands the education system is some kind of special employment project for people who would otherwise be unemployable. Spending years writing papers about Piaget's theories or cognitive psychology is of no relevance to the actual job of teaching. Having knowledge of the subject and skill to teach in class are not requirements.

The priority should be to get rid of these Ed degree people.

45 posted on 04/12/2014 9:24:25 PM PDT by Ethan Clive Osgoode (<<== Click here to learn about Evolution!)
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To: Ethan Clive Osgoode

I’ve read articles that “Ed majors” tested on the bottom 25% SAT exam.

Considering the horror stories of how utterly stupid so many teachers are, I believe it.

If I need heart surgery, I want someone who was educated & trained as a heart surgeon.

I want my children taught be people who were educated with math, science and degrees that are relevant. “ED” degrees are totally meaningless and become a tool to indoctrinate the kids with socialism.

“Hey, teachers - leave our kids alone!”


46 posted on 04/13/2014 5:39:27 AM PDT by newfreep
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To: BruceDeitrickPrice
At least nine BIG reasons in this picture that 'tells a 1,000 words" ....


47 posted on 04/13/2014 9:52:21 AM PDT by Servant of the Cross (the Truth will set you free)
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To: newfreep
If I need heart surgery, I want someone who was educated & trained as a heart surgeon.

Remember 50% of all doctors and lawyers finish in the bottom half of their class.

48 posted on 04/13/2014 3:56:06 PM PDT by verga (Poor spiritual health is often manifested with poor physical health.)
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To: verga
Remember 50% of all doctors and lawyers finish in the bottom half of their class.

The world needs psychiatrists and divorce lawyers! LOL

49 posted on 04/13/2014 3:57:34 PM PDT by ladyjane
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To: Ethan Clive Osgoode
As it stands the education system is some kind of special employment project for people who would otherwise be unemployable. Spending years writing papers about Piaget's theories or cognitive psychology is of no relevance to the actual job of teaching. Having knowledge of the subject and skill to teach in class are not requirements. The priority should be to get rid of these Ed degree people.

There are those of us that have vocational backgrounds. I worked as both a Machinist and a Cabinet maker long before I got into teaching. I had to take a total of 5 "Education Classes" and student teach at a vocational school in order to get certified. There are alternatives if people are willing to pursue them.

50 posted on 04/14/2014 11:45:20 AM PDT by verga (Poor spiritual health is often manifested with poor physical health.)
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