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RED RIVER RUMBLE? BLM Wants to Seize 90,000 Acres of Texas Ranchers’ Land!
Americas Freedom Fighters ^ | April 11, 2014 | Clark Kent

Posted on 04/13/2014 5:55:42 PM PDT by Texas Fossil

The Red River is the boundary between Texas and Oklahoma…or is it?

Byers, Texas along the Red River — The BLM stole 140 acres of the Tommy Henderson ranch thirty years ago. They took his land and paid him absolutely nothing. He sued and lost. Now the BLM is using that court case as precedent to do it again. The problem is, the land they want to seize is property that ranchers have a deed for and have paid taxes on for over a hundred years.

The BLM claims that about 90,000 acres (116 miles along the Red River) have never belonged to Texas in the first place. They will seize the land and it will seriously change the boundaries between the two states.

Avulsion versus Accretion

 

Since 1803 when the Louisiana Purchase was completed, there has been a controversy over the boundary between Oklahoma and Texas. The boundary is supposed to be the vegetation line on the south side of the Red River. But the River has moved over time. The problem is the definition of that boundary line- Oklahoma and Texas each use different semantics to define it. And the BLM is finding ways to use the disputed words to give them the ability to seize the land.

According to the BLM, the Red River is always Accretion (gradual accumulation of sediment) to the south, and always Avulsion (rapid formation of a new river channel) to the north. So according to the BLM, the boundary only moves one direction, never in the direction that favors the ranchers. They are looking to re-draw the entire portion of the Red River boundary. That includes 90,000 acres of land along a 116 mile stretch of the river.

“BLM officials believe they have a responsibility to manage land they believe is federal which includes an estimated 90,000 acres along 116 miles of the Red River. If land is found to be public, BLM officials say they have three options: leave the land open, closed, or open with limitations.” January 2014

Public input ignored?

Land that has been in the families of ranchers is to be seized as “public lands” that would be subject to fees or blocked off entirely from rancher’s use. Or in some cases, moving the boundary line over to Oklahoma, where Texas ranchers can lose their rights to the lands that they have owned for more than a century. The BLM had open meetings back in January to “take input” from the public …but they are moving forward with their plan to seize the land anyway. There was likely never any intention of actually listening to the rancher’s stand.

The taking of property from land owners, the stealing of cattle, all of these things are apparently the modus operandi of the Bureau of Land Management. There are no tortoises involved in this incident, just land-grabbing feds who are intent to take away the property of ranchers that have owned it for hundreds of years. Will it come to armed confrontation as is occurring in Nevada? We don’t know.

Open grazing of cattle has always been a common law right in America. It is time for the American people to rise up against the theft of private lands and property by a government that is out of control. Ranchers have contact Texas Representative Mac Thornberry for assistance. We will monitor this situation as it progresses.


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KEYWORDS: blm; land; texas; theft
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Now everybody knows it's not smart to mess with Texas.

But if you have Oklahoma helping us, what a can of worms they are opening.

God Bless Texas.

It is TIME to DownSize DC! Close Entire Rogue/Unconstitutional Departments, including their SWAT Teams.

BLM, do you hear me?

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Note There is a video at the link.

1 posted on 04/13/2014 5:55:42 PM PDT by Texas Fossil
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To: Texas Fossil

This sort of thing is going on all across the country. It makes bigger news when its bigger chunks of land but nobody hears about the 50 acres here or the 100 acres there.


2 posted on 04/13/2014 5:58:41 PM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: Texas Fossil; cripplecreek

The BLM is out of control

Freedom is under attack

We need to stay on top of this and on top of the BLM land seizure in Wyoming


3 posted on 04/13/2014 6:02:38 PM PDT by xzins ( Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for victory!)
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To: Texas Fossil

Any info on how the Henderson guy lost that first court fight? Did he not have a deed or what?


4 posted on 04/13/2014 6:02:42 PM PDT by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: greeneyes

Yes, it said he had a deed and had payed taxes on the property for many years.

Still lost to BLM.


5 posted on 04/13/2014 6:04:14 PM PDT by Texas Fossil (Texas is not where you were born, but a Free State of Heart, Mind & Attitude!)
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To: Texas Fossil

Ping to follow in the AM


6 posted on 04/13/2014 6:04:34 PM PDT by NewHampshireDuo
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To: Texas Fossil
My classmates from Burkburnett were discussing this as it affects many of their ranches along the Red River. Wichita County is full of liberal Democrats but I think this is changing rapidly with the Obama administration.
7 posted on 04/13/2014 6:05:51 PM PDT by vetvetdoug
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BFL


8 posted on 04/13/2014 6:08:27 PM PDT by Faith65 (Jesus Christ is my Lord and Savior!)
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To: Texas Fossil

BLM et all know they MUST win one of these thru force, else the mob* at Bundy’s ranch will be emboldened and snowball. Having relented to presence of arms, the bullies have to beat the crap out of SOMEONE as an example else lose power entirely. And soon.

* - meant affectionately. Good folk there.


9 posted on 04/13/2014 6:12:22 PM PDT by ctdonath2 (Making good people helpless doesn't make bad people harmless.)
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To: Texas Fossil
Texas has had artillery on the Red River before, and may again.

/johnny

10 posted on 04/13/2014 6:12:30 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: Texas Fossil
Even if the river channel is changing ie the river moves North the Southern boundary is also moving North, because the deeds reference the red river as the boundary.

So the ranchers to the North are actually losing acreage, while the ranchers to the South are gaining acreage. According to their deeds that's the way it is, and the government does own squat related to the land.

Now one could argue I suppose that the amount of new land on the south bank actually belongs to the rancher to the north, but it is beyond ridiculous that the government should claim ownership.

11 posted on 04/13/2014 6:13:45 PM PDT by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: greeneyes

correction: Government does NOT own squat!


12 posted on 04/13/2014 6:14:49 PM PDT by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: greeneyes
Some crap just won't be put up with. This is close to home. I have relations near the Red River. We'd be likely to cancel the feud over something like this.

/johnny

13 posted on 04/13/2014 6:15:29 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: ctdonath2

If they try to win this one through force, they may have picked the wrong battle.


14 posted on 04/13/2014 6:15:46 PM PDT by Texas Fossil (Texas is not where you were born, but a Free State of Heart, Mind & Attitude!)
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To: Marcella

Ping to this story about land grab along Texas/Oklahoma border. What do you think about it?


15 posted on 04/13/2014 6:16:03 PM PDT by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: Texas Fossil

looks like a job for John Wayne and maybe Texas Ranger Chuck Norris


16 posted on 04/13/2014 6:16:20 PM PDT by rolling_stone
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To: ctdonath2
BLM et all know they MUST win one of these thru force

If they are picking the Red River as a MUST win... they have chosen unwisely.

/johnny

17 posted on 04/13/2014 6:16:21 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: Texas Fossil

Anybody have the numbers handy for the rounds of ammo purchased recently by the BLM?


18 posted on 04/13/2014 6:16:26 PM PDT by G Larry (There's the Beef!)
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To: Texas Fossil

Red River changes all the time . sometimes there is more in OK and sometimes more in Tx, depending on the floods. Are feds going to tell mother nature what to do?


19 posted on 04/13/2014 6:17:06 PM PDT by dalebert
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To: Texas Fossil

Any idea what the fabricated legal justification was by some bizzaro judge?


20 posted on 04/13/2014 6:17:20 PM PDT by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: G Larry
Doesn't matter. It takes someone with testicular fortitude to use those rounds, and Nevada proved they will back down.

/johnny

21 posted on 04/13/2014 6:17:25 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: Texas Fossil
Bttt.

5.56mm

22 posted on 04/13/2014 6:19:06 PM PDT by M Kehoe
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To: greeneyes

Seems deeds are predicated on boundaries being immutable. When they change, they are retroactively adjusted changing the current boundaries and treated like nothing ever changed.


23 posted on 04/13/2014 6:19:21 PM PDT by ctdonath2 (Making good people helpless doesn't make bad people harmless.)
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To: ctdonath2

JMHO, but they are picking the wrong states to beat up on. I’m a gonna have some popcorn and enjoy watching the Fedzilla/Texas & Oklahoma range war.

If BLM thinks Nevada was bad, just wait till they face the Texan/Oklahoma group. They ain’t seen nothin’ yet.


24 posted on 04/13/2014 6:20:38 PM PDT by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: Texas Fossil
Yep. My red hair just lit off.

/johnny

25 posted on 04/13/2014 6:20:49 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: xzins

Brown shirts on the move! Amazing that we have crooked politicans worried about the Ukraine and we have this crap going on in our own country.


26 posted on 04/13/2014 6:22:15 PM PDT by Busko (The only thing that is certain is that nothing is certain.)
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To: Texas Fossil

I don’t understand this. Texas and Oklahoma have a long standing dispute over a boundary so the feds just claim it as theirs? If I lived on either side I would tell them to get lost.


27 posted on 04/13/2014 6:24:05 PM PDT by Lurkina.n.Learnin
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To: Texas Fossil
There is a nation-wide agenda going on.
Chilling Truth: The Siege of the Bundy Ranch Reaches into the White House April 13, 2014

A leaked memo uncovered in 2010 exposed the Obama Administration’s land grab initiative that is intended to spread across other western states. The land grab in this memo alone covered 10 million acres of Western land in 11 states.

As part of Obama’s “Great Outdoors Initiative”, the administration met quietly with environmental groups to map out government plans for acquiring untold millions of acres of both public and private land.

It’s a stealthy power grab through executive order that promises to radically transform the American way of life. Michelle Malkin had a thorough description of what the government was doing.

In April 2010, President Obama issued a memorandum outlining his “21st century strategy for America’s great outdoors”, calling for officials to conduct “listening and learning sessions” with the public to identify places that mean the most to Americans and leverage the support of the federal government to “protect” outdoor spaces. The memo bragged about the federal government being the nation’s “largest land manager.”

FR thread for this article here.


28 posted on 04/13/2014 6:24:20 PM PDT by TigersEye (Stupid is a Progressive disease.)
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To: JRandomFreeper

I even recall reading about a little dust up between the two states regarding the building of a no - toll bridge. Governors of both states called out the national guard IIRC, the bridge was shut down, but it was eventually resolved peacefully.

Known in the history of Bryan County Oklahoma as the Texas/Okalhoma war.


29 posted on 04/13/2014 6:25:16 PM PDT by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: JRandomFreeper

Nothing like a common enemy to unite the tribe!


30 posted on 04/13/2014 6:26:08 PM PDT by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: JRandomFreeper
If they are picking the Red River as a MUST win... they have chosen unwisely.

Assuming the goal is not to start a shootin' war, of course...

31 posted on 04/13/2014 6:26:48 PM PDT by null and void (The British declared war on the Tea Party. The Tea Party won! (Thanks mom!))
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To: Texas Fossil

They will be sending “surveyors” withe machine guns and attack dogs to draw new boundaries.


32 posted on 04/13/2014 6:26:51 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Haven't you lost enough freedoms? Support an end to the WOD now.)
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To: JRandomFreeper

Boy Howdy! “chozen unwisely” That there is an understatement of enormous magnitude.LOL


33 posted on 04/13/2014 6:27:34 PM PDT by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: greeneyes

12/2010
“Solar Energy Zones Identified in US
SustainableBusiness.com News

22 million acres of US public lands are now called Solar Energy Zones - land that’s suitable for large, utility-scale solar plants.”

http://www.sustainablebusiness.com/index.cfm/go/news.display/id/21622


34 posted on 04/13/2014 6:27:42 PM PDT by combat_boots (The Lion of Judah cometh. Hallelujah. Gloria Patri, Filio et Spiritui Sancto!)
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To: Texas Fossil

Here’s another land grab in New Mexico. Lots of gov’t stealing going on!

http://www.americasfreedomfighters.com/2014/04/12/feds-seize-familys-ranch-property-owners-fight-government-land-grab/


35 posted on 04/13/2014 6:28:17 PM PDT by JouleZ (You are the company you keep.)
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To: Texas Fossil

And this may the final spark. After the Nevada fiasco, maybe the BLM will finally have to BURY some of their idiots!!!!!!!!


36 posted on 04/13/2014 6:28:19 PM PDT by ProudFossil (" I never did give anyone hell. I just told the truth and they thought it was hell." Harry Truman)
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To: greeneyes
Yes. That was one instance.

Texas and Oklahoma may have their differences, since Oklahoma sucking is the only thing that keeps Texas from sliding off into the Gulf, but in a case like this, I think the Texas/OU fans on both sides of the river would react the same.

And it would be ugly (for the federal servant of the States).

/johnny

37 posted on 04/13/2014 6:28:29 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: Busko

Sounds like Putin is cutting off river access between Oklahoma and Texas, doesn’t it?


38 posted on 04/13/2014 6:28:43 PM PDT by xzins ( Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for victory!)
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To: Texas Fossil

At some point, we are probably going need to come up with a good offense.


39 posted on 04/13/2014 6:29:49 PM PDT by rwoodward ("god, guns and more ammo")
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To: null and void
If they aim to start a shooting war, they have still chosen unwisely if they want to steal land off the Red River.

Either way, they really don't want to do this.

/johnny

40 posted on 04/13/2014 6:31:47 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: ProudFossil
I pray that no person even gets a hang-nail from any resolution to this. Reasonable people need to prevail, and put the federal thugs to heel.

/johnny

41 posted on 04/13/2014 6:33:28 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: greeneyes
"If BLM thinks Nevada was bad, just wait till they face the Texan/Oklahoma group. They ain’t seen nothin’ yet."

Even a finance guy from Michigan knows that.

42 posted on 04/13/2014 6:34:42 PM PDT by Mich Patriot (Pitch black is the new "tranparent.")
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To: ctdonath2
So you are saying that the river changes course and in the example, the increased land on the south belongs to the southern rancher, and the rancher to the north just loses some acreage?

That is my understanding of what is generally true, but I could see that there might have been some provision in the deed so that each Rancher would maintain the same acreage.

Point is what does it have to do with the Fed? The land belongs to the Ranchers be it the guy on the northern side or the guy on the southern side. Fedizilla has no claim to any land, if the deed references the red river as the boundary.

43 posted on 04/13/2014 6:36:29 PM PDT by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

Look for a No Fly Zone next.


44 posted on 04/13/2014 6:36:43 PM PDT by Gadsden1st
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To: JRandomFreeper

They need the shootin’ war to “temporarily” suspend the Constitution and elections.


45 posted on 04/13/2014 6:36:58 PM PDT by null and void (The British declared war on the Tea Party. The Tea Party won! (Thanks mom!))
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To: Texas Fossil

Here’s another link to gov’t over-reach…..using drones to spy on American citizens because they “thought” they were stealing cattle. Not guilty BTW. Big Brother is watching.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2548572/North-Dakota-rancher-U-S-citizen-jailed-thanks-evidence-Predator-drones-caught-pictures-family-armed-stand-police.html


46 posted on 04/13/2014 6:38:27 PM PDT by JouleZ (You are the company you keep.)
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To: null and void
3 of my grandchildren are the children of a first generation American (former E-4) whose parents were refugees from Pol-Pot's killing fields.

There doesn't need to be a shooting war here. Rational people need to bring the dogs of war to heel.

But if it does happen, Katy bar the door.

/johnny

47 posted on 04/13/2014 6:40:42 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: combat_boots

Interesting that loggers can’t have jobs because of the spotted owl, but solar companies can kill any and all birds that happen to get entangled.


48 posted on 04/13/2014 6:42:51 PM PDT by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: Texas Fossil

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49 posted on 04/13/2014 6:43:14 PM PDT by B4Ranch (Name your illness, do a Google & YouTube search with "hydrogen peroxide". Do it and be surprised.)
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To: JRandomFreeper
And who is Sec State today?



50 posted on 04/13/2014 6:44:00 PM PDT by null and void (The British declared war on the Tea Party. The Tea Party won! (Thanks mom!))
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