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Is Cattlemen Armed Insurrection the New Form of American Protest? (Amazing!)
Ring Of Fire Radio: Robert Kennedy Jr, Mike Papantonio and Sam Seder ^ | April 15, 2014 | Joshua De Leon

Posted on 04/17/2014 10:07:33 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

The cattle-ranch protest in Nevada was an armed insurrection by the Tea Party. One thousand Tea Party, so-called “patriots,” came to Bunkerville, NV, brandished weapons and the government backed down. Other mass protests in America have either ended in arrests or violent clashes between authorities and protesters.

There is an obvious double standard here because the government relented and turned away. Why did the government do this? The main difference between many other mass protests and the cattle-ranch protest is that the cattle-ranch protesters were armed with handguns and assault rifles.

Is American in such a state where the new formula of effective protest comes in the form of armed insurrection? Let’s hope not. It shouldn’t be.

There have been many past instances where standoffs ended in violence and injustice. The Wounded Knee incident in 1973 is a strong example of such injustice. The American Indian Movement (AIM) was a standoff with the U.S. Marshals Service and the FBI at the Pine Ridge Indian Reservation.

The standoff started when AIM leadership and hundreds of activists representing the Oglala Lakota tribe stood in protest in the town of Wounded Knee against the corrupt tribal president Richard Wilson. The siege lasted for over two months, and after an armed standoff with government officials, the protest was destroyed, the government reclaimed control of Wounded Knee, and Wilson retained office, despite charges of voter fraud and intimidation. Two protesters were killed and 13 others were injured.

Once again, the federal government failed the Native Americans.

Then there’s the Kent State shooting where the Ohio National Guard killed four students and injured nine, some suffering from permanent paralysis as a result of their injuries. The most tragic thing about Kent State was that the students were unarmed and protesting against American occupation in Vietnam.

The result was the same at Kent State as it was at Wounded Knee. People protesting for a popular and just cause were gunned down and silenced by the government. Uncle Sam got his way.

Fast forward to the Occupy Movement. Thankfully, no shots were fired and no one was killed. However, an unarmed mass of young protesters were dismantled by government intervention and many Occupy protesters were hauled away to jail. Another mass assembly for a popular cause broken down by the federal government.

So, why in the hell does the Tea Party get a pass? Is it because they’re white Americans with guns? The federal government certainly didn’t back down against the MOVE Organization in Philadelphia. Local law enforcement even went as far as to drop a bomb onto the West Philadelphia MOVE headquarters in 1985. The FBI supplied the bomb to the Philadelphia police.

There is an obvious double standard here. But what’s the x-factor? Is it race? Guns? Demographics? Ideology? Or a combination of many things?


TOPICS: Agriculture; Conspiracy; Government; Politics
KEYWORDS: blm; bundy; bunkerville; occupy; peacecreeps; talkradio; teaparty
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1 posted on 04/17/2014 10:07:33 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

“Is Cattlemen Armed Insurrection the New Form of American Protest?

Yes... That’s the only protest that will work.


2 posted on 04/17/2014 10:17:01 PM PDT by babygene ( .)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Waco, Ruby Ridge.


3 posted on 04/17/2014 10:22:45 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: Paladin2

Lexington and Concord.


4 posted on 04/17/2014 10:24:09 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Bunkerville.....The LORD works in mysterious ways.


5 posted on 04/17/2014 10:26:01 PM PDT by ryan71 (The Partisans)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
"But what’s the x-factor? "

Pervasive, continued Leftist overreach.

6 posted on 04/17/2014 10:29:25 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Consider the source. Wittle bobby puss boy kennedy jr is a nut case of the highest degree. If you could ever stand it, listen to him sometime. Pure wack job.


7 posted on 04/17/2014 10:31:45 PM PDT by rktman (Ethnicity: Redneck. Race: Daytona 500)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Sounds like an argument that strongly favors the Second Amendment.


8 posted on 04/17/2014 10:44:06 PM PDT by stevem
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

There’s something going on here

But you don’t know what it is

Do you, Mr. Joshua?


9 posted on 04/17/2014 10:49:46 PM PDT by SaxxonWoods (....Let It Burn...)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

It is moral clarity, if those with the moral authority are gunned down, they would cause an outright rebellion.

They don’t want to go there yet.


10 posted on 04/17/2014 10:52:53 PM PDT by dila813
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The authors sound like a socialist who wants a fair distribution of government violence for the sake of being “fair”, and without thinking through the position of why they want to live in a country with a government like that.


11 posted on 04/17/2014 10:53:14 PM PDT by Vince Ferrer
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

He has a very selective memory.

He’s obviously disappointed that there weren’t deaths at Bunkerville.


12 posted on 04/17/2014 10:56:12 PM PDT by Arthur McGowan
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Bunkerville is a culmination of 8 years of lawlessness coming to a head. It’s the government that’s the lawbreakers. Not the rancher. 1 million dollars in grazing fees? And if you don’t pay....we will send snipers and swap teams and tazer you and kill and steal your livestock. And then our Senate Majority leader will label you as a Terrorist while he negotiates your land from the communist Chinese and says its all about a turtle. What’s wrong with this picture?


13 posted on 04/17/2014 11:06:39 PM PDT by rwoodward ("god, guns and more ammo")
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

When the president his AG and his entire cabinet are utterly lawless brigands this is most certainly how the people will react. Keep it up and you’ll find out how many millions of us feel the same way.


14 posted on 04/17/2014 11:06:54 PM PDT by TigersEye (Stupid is a Progressive disease.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
I was just thinking that the Feds method of dealing with a problem is to launch
a 5000-degree phosphorus smoke bomb into a house or building and kill the occupants.
It must befuddle them to confront Americans in an open field and how to actually
deal with it, because they are exposed.

They also love to use their snipers with mounted heat sensor scopes to
locate occupants inside a building, then shoot them before burning the place down.


Every one of those cowardly bastards should be exposed because they
had every intention of killing somebody that day at the ranch with
military weapons at the ready.


How long before, or should I ask, what will Americans say when Local/State/Federal departments
start arming the Drones flying over our neighborhoods and schools. Over American soil.
And for which reason will they Bomb an American, besides Turtles. If they go this far using
a Turtle for an excuse to steal rights nothing will be left to protect us from summary execution
on the whim of the Federal Chimps.

15 posted on 04/17/2014 11:09:37 PM PDT by MaxMax (Pay Attention and you'll be pissed off too! FIRE BOEHNER, NOW!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
yeah ... josh cites a few times when the gummint f**** up, admits it's a tragedy and then bemoans citizens that fire back (in a manner of speaking) ... for a change

I guess my only comment is, gfy, josh ... you and all the gummint horses y'rode in on.

16 posted on 04/17/2014 11:14:04 PM PDT by knarf (I say things that are true .. I have no proof .. but they're true.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Big difference between OWLS and what just happened.

The cowboys didn’t get rowdy. They didn’t throw rocks, they didn’t destroy and tear up the land, and they didn’t give the BLM the excuse they needed to open fire and have another Waco type battle.

Had the BLM fired on them, the cowboys were well equipped to defend themselves. BLM showed up armed to the teeth, so of course they had their weapons in case they needed them.

Popular? I don’t recall the Occupy movement as being popular, nor the Vietnam War protests either.

Bobby Jr is a whiny little sleeze and belongs to the blame America firtst crowd. He doesn’t have the brains or the gumption that God gave a goose.


17 posted on 04/17/2014 11:14:38 PM PDT by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

It’s gotta be “white privilege”.


18 posted on 04/17/2014 11:30:31 PM PDT by Rightwing Conspiratr1
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To: greeneyes

firtst = first


19 posted on 04/17/2014 11:31:39 PM PDT by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

whites were activists at Wounded knee
whites were students were at Kent state
whites were people in Occupy

the arguement the Bundy crew got a pass because they were white is nonsensical, based on the author’s own examples!


20 posted on 04/17/2014 11:37:43 PM PDT by blueplum
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To: greeneyes
Responsible people with guns are just that. They typically don't scream and yell and toss rocks. They are responsible. And the threshold of violence goes up quite a bit when one is armed. I have known people to get in fist fights over words. That is an unwise thing to do when armed.

I imagine that some on the BLM side of things understood that as well. The guns that the cowboys and the militia and the wives and daughters had were not for show. They were for their protection if so needed.

It would not surprise me that at some time in the future the Feds will need to install provocateurs into the people's ranks in order to fire the first shot.

Like the reports of snipers at Kent State. When no tangible evidence existed for that.

Hmm. Seems like when a group of Feds IS facing an enemy with known or presumed snipers, they are less willing to fight.

21 posted on 04/17/2014 11:45:48 PM PDT by 21twelve (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2185147/posts 2013 is 1933 REBORN)
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To: 21twelve
Well, during the Vietnam protests there were agitators who were specifically trying to provoke authorities into over reacting, and mainstream media who were trying to hype the protesters, just like they do today.

And we also had people who were deliberately trying to start riots.So Kent State today would likely be a blood bath 10 times worse.

Government authorities armed to the teeth with military equipment, gear, and snipers have no business being used against peaceful protesters. That's what the riot gear is for.

However, Boston demonstrated that we have indeed chosen a path a militarized type police state.

22 posted on 04/18/2014 12:07:41 AM PDT by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Soap Box, Ballot Box, Ammo Box?

How many protestors crapped on a BLM Vehicle? Just asking.


23 posted on 04/18/2014 12:12:18 AM PDT by Kickass Conservative (Nobody owes you a living, so shut up and get back to work...)
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To: greeneyes

“Well, during the Vietnam protests there were agitators who were specifically trying to provoke authorities into over reacting...”

Good point. It doesn’t mean ONLY a Fed operator, but a wacko like that KKK guy that shot up that Jewish center or someone similar. Trying to provoke a civil war or whatever for their own purposes.


24 posted on 04/18/2014 12:24:28 AM PDT by 21twelve (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2185147/posts 2013 is 1933 REBORN)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Beats the hell out of Gandi using human shields.


25 posted on 04/18/2014 1:07:56 AM PDT by lavaroise (A well regulated gun being necessary to the state, the rights of the militia shall not be infringed)
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To: babygene

I guess one must be weak and gang raped like little kids, the way Obama was raised. It makes for so much more popularity to be weak and a whore protester. I suppose it could charm a few sick privilegist cops.


26 posted on 04/18/2014 1:13:18 AM PDT by lavaroise (A well regulated gun being necessary to the state, the rights of the militia shall not be infringed)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
brandished weapons and the government backed down.

I believe they faced them unarmed. This person is not too bright. And probably all anti-gun obsessed.

27 posted on 04/18/2014 1:28:17 AM PDT by MarMema (Run Ted Run)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

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28 posted on 04/18/2014 2:18:36 AM PDT by skinkinthegrass (The end move in politics is always to pick up a gun. Cattlegate..0'Caligula / 0'Reid? ;-)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

If this had happened in NY, NJ, IL, MA, CA, OR, or WA the BLM would have opened fire and many protestors would have been killed.

Only because NV has so many ranchers and open carry laws was this allowed.

If it happens again in a hard blue state - be prepared.....


29 posted on 04/18/2014 2:23:35 AM PDT by Arlis
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

BLM does not have legal police powers granted by congress, so its swat team was not legal. The BLM has the right though to hire police services on contract. BLM employees do not have authority to confront, harrass, or intimidate citizens as you can see them doing on several of the videos. BLM behavior was illegal. Taking the cattle was actually theft.


30 posted on 04/18/2014 2:37:03 AM PDT by Rapscallion (Obama is the corruption of America - economic, criminal, judicial, political, sexual, and more)
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To: MaxMax

I think you are mistaken that IR can see through walls.


31 posted on 04/18/2014 2:50:13 AM PDT by Yardstick
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Kent State
1.the protesters were mostly outside agitators
2. The girl usually depicted was a runaway and part time prostitute not a student
3. SDS organized this and they were throwing rocks bottles Nd construction debris at the soldiers who were Nat Guard and not trained in crowd control

A tragedy yes but not the way it is usually depicted by azz wipes like RFK jr


32 posted on 04/18/2014 3:07:39 AM PDT by Jimmy Valentine (DemocRATS - when they speak, they lie; when they are silent, they are stealing the American Dream)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

“NEW YORK CITY?”

“Get a rope.”


33 posted on 04/18/2014 3:10:23 AM PDT by RichInOC (Jesus is coming back soon...and man, is He ticked off. (I'm trying to keep it clean.))
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

This article, more specifically, the author is a nutcase, really.

What a bunch of revisionist, one sided crap.

Wounded Knee? Kent State? Occupy Wall Street?

Three historical conflicts with three extremely different purposes and results. The author then says everyone who came to Bunkerville was a Tea Party ‘so-called’ Patriot and then proceeds to whine about why “they got a pass”.

Where, my friend, in your pea brain recollection does Ruby Ridge Fall? Where does Waco fall?

My 10 year old grand daughter could have made a better argument for any of her causes than this. The article gives the term ‘sophomoric’ a bad name.


34 posted on 04/18/2014 3:10:49 AM PDT by Gaffer (Comprehensive Immigration Reform is just another name for Comprehensive Capitulation)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The X factor was the thousands more that we’re on the way.


35 posted on 04/18/2014 3:51:47 AM PDT by wastoute (Government cannot redistribute wealth. Government can only redistribute poverty.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

At Waco and other places the Feds could go the the motel and relax after their shift. They had America at their back.

Things have changed. Now they have America at their back.


36 posted on 04/18/2014 3:57:11 AM PDT by wastoute (Government cannot redistribute wealth. Government can only redistribute poverty.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

We see Obama backing down from Putin because he doesn’t want violence (a liberal mantra) ... Would he back away from domestic violence for the same reason? Looks like he did. This doesn’t compute for me because I really believe he is arming to control the masses ... But if the masses hold a gun....


37 posted on 04/18/2014 4:33:22 AM PDT by ThePatriotsFlag ("There never was a democracy yet that did not commit suicide." - Thomas Jefferson)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Has Josh NEVER been taught the history of Our Second Amendment?Does she believe it is just for duck hunting or the gun range target shoot? Has he/she/it been so misled by public education that they believe only domestic terrorists carry guns? Was this guy an accolade for Harry Reid? Or just a democratic Party paid activist?What I do not understand is WHY there are so many ignorant people who rant about the evil?
TEA Party? The ol boys ignorance is painted by his white animus. Has he forgotten Marcus? This was a MAD Magazine reject as satire right?


38 posted on 04/18/2014 4:58:08 AM PDT by StonyBurk (ring)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I would feel more in jeopardy within 100 meters of a Kennedy operating anything with and internal combustion engine in it than I would standing next to the Bundy family.


39 posted on 04/18/2014 5:00:40 AM PDT by donozark (The voices inside my head may not be real, but they have some good ideas!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
First off the numbers reported in NV were way low. There were a lot of units active in the sage brush and spread out. The government thugs like a group to come against in a small area. They then use over whelming force and crush the protesters in one controlled sweep. Small unit gorilla warfare is there worst night mare. It's not the night that scares them but the unseen bump in the night. If the goons would have started this in NV you would have seen SUA from coast too coast and border too border.
40 posted on 04/18/2014 5:38:38 AM PDT by lostboy61 (Lock and Load and stand your ground!)
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To: RichInOC

“NEW YORK CITY!!?” “Get a rope.”

Suddenly I want some Pace picante sauce over my scrambled eggs this morning.

Anyway, RFK Jr. is a whacked out drugged out alkie like most of his clan so what he says is of zero consequence. Surprised he didn’t say “The BLM should have opened fire on those teabaggers!!!” That’ll come later, just watch.


41 posted on 04/18/2014 5:40:27 AM PDT by elcid1970
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

This is the first time I’ve heard the Tea Party associated with the Bundy Ranch activity.

I guess if you’re going to smear somebody...might as well be as inclusive as possible. Use a wide brush.

Sounds like Josh is disappointed there wasn’t a bloodbath with significant loss of life on the Bundy side.

What an azzwipe.


42 posted on 04/18/2014 5:41:16 AM PDT by moovova
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To: Rapscallion

“BLM does not have legal police powers granted by congress, so its swat team was not legal.”

I’m still wondering how they (BLM) have the power to order a ‘No Fly Zone’ over U.S. Government property and the Bundy ranch.


43 posted on 04/18/2014 5:41:27 AM PDT by panaxanax
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Horses can trample thugs & knock over their trucks real easy.


44 posted on 04/18/2014 5:42:03 AM PDT by bunkerhill7 ("The Second Amendment has no limits on firepower"-NY State Senator Kathleen A. Marchione.")
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
There is an obvious double standard here. But what’s the x-factor? Is it race? Guns? Demographics? Ideology? Or a combination of many things?

The fact that the TEA Party protesters are just the tip of an iceberg. The MOVE people were not even popular among the black community. The Indians were a small movement, not hooked into mainstream society. Kent State was a panic reaction by National Guardsmen, not a deliberate order.

The government employees do not want to piss off the people who are in their neighborhoods and know where they live. Or as Fight Club aptly put it:

We guard you while you sleep. Do not f*** with us..

45 posted on 04/18/2014 5:47:19 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (You don't notice it's a police state until the police come for you.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
“So, why in the hell does the Tea Party get a pass? Is it because they’re white Americans with guns?”

Because the gov’t backed down.

Why did the gov’t back down?

Because they did not have The Constitution on their side. The best measure of their OWN sense of illegitimacy was that when their authority was challenged they ran. No righteous steward of The Law COULD EVER do as the government did in NV.

This confrontation did not happen in a vacuum. For better than a century power has been stolen fron The People and centralized in the executive. What made 2014 different is that an executive has now picked up all of the strands of the various agencies and, having them in hand, SPOKEN LAW INTO BEING.

HE SPOKE LAW INTO BEING!

The psychic anger that has been building for decades in all honest Men who can understand simple language, was added to intolerably and exploded. Men who had other work to do put it aside and picked up their guns and stood up for The Law as they understood it.

People will try to caricaturize these Patriots in all the usual ways (just as the author has done)but those guns were LOADED. They were not symbolic. They were not being used to send a message or scare anyone. They were the tools of War in the hands of men who “had business in their eye” and who MEANT to defend Right if it cost them their lives. With the unerring instinct for self preservation that all animals have the government abandoned their implied claim of Duty and made a choice for War later rather than War right now.

46 posted on 04/18/2014 5:48:07 AM PDT by TalBlack (Evil doesn't have a day job.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Ring Of Fire Radio: Robert Kennedy Jr

Mr. Kennedy's errand boy lectures us about "violence and injustice" and a "double standard."

You don't want to go there buddy.


47 posted on 04/18/2014 5:52:56 AM PDT by greedo
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

What Kennedy doesn’t understand, or if he does, does not acknowledge, is the fact that we as Liberty-minded patriots oppose government overreach and militarization, regardless of what political cause the protestors represent. The people had the right, have the right and will have the right no matter what some bureaucrat says.

The first amendment zones or areas they established and the blatant scare tactics of militarily armed storm troopers are what boiled my blood. Hell no!!!

I will gladly defend any protestors against Gestapo tactics!

Most people really have no clue about the Spirit of American Independence of 1776. They quake in their shoes thinking about opposing the Redcoats then, or the Fedcoats today. Only a few are Patriots. The rest are Tories. Then and now.


48 posted on 04/18/2014 7:14:23 AM PDT by Alas Babylon!
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To: TalBlack
As a Potential Domestic Terrorist, I stand proudly ready to defend my Country against all enemies, foreign and domestic.

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Barrel Break In Procedures Compared

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Cleaning Your Extreme Range Rifle

SNIPER 101 Part 45
Copper Removal Issues in Long Range Precision Rifles

SNIPER 101 Part 46
Factory Ammunition Discussion

SNIPER 101 Part 47
Reloading Equipment

SNIPER 101 Part 48
Case Resizing Tips

SNIPER 101 Part 49
Primer Pockets & Case Trimming

SNIPER 101 Part 50
Priming Your Cases

SNIPER 101 Part 51
Powder Measure and Scale Tutorial

SNIPER 101 Part 52
Bullet Seating and Crimping

SNIPER 101 Part 53
Load Development for Extreme Range Shooting

SNIPER 101 Part 54
Bipods and Monopods

SNIPER 101 Part 55
Muzzle Brake Pull Off Effect (repaired version)

SNIPER 101 Part 56
Muzzle Brakes for Long Range Rifles

SNIPER 101 Part 57
Scope Mount and Rings Installation & Discussion

SNIPER 101 Part 58
Ballistics Tables Muzzle Velocity Variation (1/2)

SNIPER 101 Part 59
Ballistics Tables Muzzle Velocity Variation (2/2)

SNIPER 101 Part 60
Suppressors, Brakes, and Transitional Ballistics

SNIPER 101 Part 61
Intro to Advanced External Ballistics & Tables

SNIPER 101 Part 62
Zero Your Rifle in 3 SHOTS

SNIPER 101 Part 63
Ballistic Tables - Excel TEMPLATES Intro

SNIPER 101 Part 64
JBM Ballistics Intro

SNIPER 101 Part 65
INTERPOLATION Don't skip this one!

SNIPER 101 Part 66
External Ballistics: Pressure & Gravity

SNIPER 101 Part 67
Bullet Stability

SNIPER 101 Part 68
Bullet Balance Issues EXPLAINED!

SNIPER 101 Part 69
Bullet RPM & Overstabilization

SNIPER 101 Part 70
Aerodynamic Stability

SNIPER 101 Part 71
Magnus Effect & Spin Drift

SNIPER 101 Part 72
Spin Drift Corrections MADE EASY!

SNIPER 101 Part 73
Coriolis Effects on Rifle Bullets

SNIPER 101 Part 74
Coriolis Drift (Questions Answered)

SNIPER 101 Part 75
The TRANSONIC ZONE & Maximum Effective Range

SNIPER 101 Part 76
G1 vs G7 Drag Functions & Ballistic Coefficients

SNIPER 101 Part 77
Calculating FIRING SOLUTIONS for Various Applications of Fire

SNIPER 101 Part 78
Ballistic CALCFORMS How to Use / Introduction

I hope everyone on this forum decides they want to become an expert shooter and learn how to hit a 5 gallon bucket at 1000 yards with their first shot. It a challenge that's worth your time. That I'll guarantee you.

49 posted on 04/18/2014 7:36:35 AM PDT by B4Ranch (Name your illness, do a Google & YouTube search with "hydrogen peroxide". Do it and be surprised.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Joshua de Leon obviously does not understand the difference between a mob of unarmed protesters and the constitutionally armed militia.

The US govt backed down for a few reasons at the Bundy ranch. One of which is that they were severely outgunned. Another was the fact that they did not have the moral highground. They were the lawless agressor.

The militias are not comprised of a bunch of college kids. They are mostly former military and/or LEo’s with combat experience. They are not going be cowed by a bunch of forest rangers with tactical gear and few mercs from Blackwater.

As long as the US govt continues its lawless attacks on the American public the response from the militia will continue and intensify.


50 posted on 04/18/2014 8:17:02 AM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose o f a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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