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Republic's Slide toward Civil War Continues
The Backwoods Engineer Blog ^ | 19 April 2014 | The Backwoods Engineer

Posted on 04/19/2014 3:01:20 PM PDT by backwoods-engineer

Happy Patriots' Day.

In the councils of government, we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the military-industrial complex. The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists and will persist. ...  
As we peer into society's future, we – you and I, and our government – must avoid the impulse to live only for today, plundering for, for our own ease and convenience, the precious resources of tomorrow. We cannot mortgage the material assets of our grandchildren without asking the loss also of their political and spiritual heritage. We want democracy to survive for all generations to come, not to become the insolvent phantom of tomorrow.
-- President Dwight D. Eisenhower, Farewell Address

We cannot continue to rely only on our military in order to achieve the national security objectives that we've set. We've got to have a civilian national security force that's just as powerful, just as strong, just as well-funded.
--'Barack Hussein Obama,' July 2, 2008, before being elevated to President of the United States.

The Left's silly, childish view of the world, that the government is our boss, shows their willingness to use guns to get what they want, while our view is one of constant vigilance against a government too willing to use their weapons against us.
 --Jen Kuznicki, journalist, CNSnews.com.

Unidentified militiaman and supporters, near Bunkerville NV, 04/11/14 

I will never fire upon a federal agent first. Our rules of engagement are strictly 'do not fire until fired upon'.  
-- Patrick Downs, 20-year-old militia member from California, who has pledged to protect Cliven Bundy, his family and their ranch from another raid by the federal government.

On this anniversary of the Battles of Lexington and Concord of 1775, American patriots find themselves decades into a long and bloody struggle with another great power, the US federal government, which is now in full-on rebellion against the Constitutional restrictions on its powers, and engaged in tyranny and abuse against the states and people that created it.

Federal incursion, Watertown, MA 04/19/13

A year ago today, when Watertown, Massachusetts was on federal "lockdown" ostensibly because of a teenage 'terrorist,' and crack DHS dragoons were sighting M-4 rifles at citizens through windows, few could have imagined that the struggle of the American people against the usurping US government could get much worse without breaking into open civil war.

Federal forces murder unarmed
dental hygienist, 10/03/13

Yet, it has.  In the year since Watertown, a unarmed young female dental hygienist from Connecticut, who likely did nothing but fall on the losing end of some sort of lover's spat with a federal goon, was gunned down in cold blood in Washington DC as she fled from the "Secret Service." The young girl in the seat next to her was covered in her mother's blood.  The federals and their allies in the news media quickly suppressed any investigation into what happened.

Also, in the last year, the IRS, in collusion with the US Department of 'Justice' and the Federal Elections Commission, was caught suppressing the free speech of people opposing the Obama administration en masse, including a local "Tea Party" group in Wetumpka, Alabama.  The guilty IRS official, Lois Lerner, though held in contempt of Congress, has so far escaped prosecution by the judiciary, federal or state.   It seems that anyone critical of Obama personally, of his policies or those implementing them are in Federal crosshairs.

In a somewhat related development, Hawaiian health official Loretta Fuddy, seemingly the only person who knows for sure if so-called Barack Hussein Obama is indeed a foreign national living under an alias, was mysteriously killed in a single-plane accident, in which she was the only casualty.  The Left, ever defending the administration, has blamed her death on a "cardiac arrhythmia".  One wonders how they know.

Yes, in the last year, Federal disobedience to the Constitution and the resulting tyranny have gotten much worse.  Nowhere can this be more clearly seen than in the federal siege and looting of Cliven Bundy's ranch near Bunkerville, Nevada.  Thankfully, the so-called "Battle of Bunkerville" ended peacefully, with none dead, and the Feds retreating. But the cold civil war in America is not getting any better.  In fact, the nature of the federal threat means that there will be more battles, and worse.

Fueled by a fiat currency from a powerful international cabal of banks, the elite-controlled US government uses the unconstitutional but heavily-armed Executive-branch agencies to loot property by force from citizens, calling the thefts "income tax" and "civil forfeiture." The Feds use the proceeds to maintain its power and to pay fealty to the bankers.  Many of the states are emulating their federal feudal lord in looting their own citizens to buy votes and weaponry to maintain their elites' power.  At the federal, state, and local level, America is a rapidly-developing police state.

The bankers and the US federal elites have powerful local allies, such as the Islamist infiltrators, the illegal alien advocates and the radical environmentalists. (Radical environmentalism is effectively the national religion of the Federals and their allies.) The federal cabal uses the grievances of these anti-American interest groups as its justification to intimidate, impede, control, loot and ultimately destroy manufacturers, farmers, ranchers, and energy producers.  The end goal of this destruction is not clear, but one can conjecture that the carcass of the United States would be useful raw material for our enemies abroad, allies of the bankers and political elites.

The cabal and its allies place their safety above the Constitution and the American people.  Anyone who resists the Feds' unconstitutional tyranny is threatened, injured, or murdered outright by the armed federal police.

Which brings us again to Cliven Bundy's Ranch.

The Left charges that Bundy is getting what he deserved because he hasn't "paid his fees." Much has already been written to refute that simplistic story. Regardless of what one thinks of the Feds' case against the Bundys, the Feds' hostile move to abandon administrative and judicial redress, and employ an armed SWAT team against the man and his family, is indicative of just how the federal government operates in the Age of Obama.  And Bundy is not alone in being targeted by the Bureau of Land Management; a tribal leader is suing them for millions.

Patriot cowboys returning Bundy's cattle, 04/12/14

The fact that the armed BLM officers and their hired dragoons turned tail and ran on the afternoon of April 12th was indeed a great victory for the states and the American people.  It is, as the Daily Bell puts it, a "significant moment" in American history.  But as Senator Harry Reid, most powerful person in the US Senate, recently spat, "This isn't over."  The Empire will strike back.  Count on it.

The US government elites, their feudal masters, and their allies are seething over the April 12th retreat of federal forces at Bundy ranch. An account of the withdrawal by an LA lawyer indicates how surprised the BLM was that such a resistance materialized so quickly, and how the cowardly agents felt threatened by Bundy and the citizen militias.

Reid breathing threats

The fear and loathing from this outcome has resonated throughout the collectivist/traitor axis.   Reid is still fomenting threats, calling Bundy supporters "domestic terrorists".  On many collectivist websites, the Feds' acolytes are cajoling their masters to strike back at the militias.   The news media is attempting to determine who the militia groups are, doubtless to provide their federal masters with actionable intelligence.  The radical environmentalists are "sad that the guys with guns dictate policy" -- by which they mean the militias, because their "guys with guns", the BLM agents and company, showed the white feather and ran for the hills.

Federal land grabs (red) in the States

Besides the potential Federal counter-attack, which has yet to fully materialize beyond the screeds of Lefty keyboard commandos, another front is opening in this civil war: the rebellion of the Western states against Federal land ownership in their states.  In Nevada, home of Cliven Bundy's ranch, Federal ownership is over 80% of the total land area.

Via the Salt Lake Tribune (h/t The Federalist Papers):
It’s time for Western states to take control of federal lands within their borders, lawmakers and county commissioners from Western states said at Utah’s Capitol on Friday [04/28/14]. 
More than 50 political leaders from nine states convened for the first time to talk about their joint goal: wresting control of oil-, timber -and mineral-rich lands away from the feds. 
“It’s simply time,” said Rep. Ken Ivory, R-West Jordan, who organized the Legislative Summit on the Transfer for Public Lands along with Montana state Sen. Jennifer Fielder. “The urgency is now.” 
Utah House Speaker Becky Lockhart, R-Provo, was flanked by a dozen participants, including her counterparts from Idaho and Montana, during a press conference after the daylong closed-door summit. U.S. Sen. Mike Lee addressed the group over lunch, Ivory said. New Mexico, Arizona, Nevada, Wyoming, Oregon and Washington also were represented. 
The summit was in the works before this month’s tense standoff between Nevada rancher Cliven Bundy and the Bureau of Land Management over cattle grazing, Lockhart said. 
“What’s happened in Nevada is really just a symptom of a much larger problem,” Lockhart said. 
Fielder, who described herself as “just a person who lives in the woods,” said federal land management is hamstrung by bad policies, politicized science and severe federal budget cuts. 
“Those of us who live in the rural areas know how to take care of lands,” Fielder said, who lives in the northwestern Montana town of Thompson Falls. 
“We have to start managing these lands. It’s the right thing to do for our people, for our environment, for our economy and for our freedoms,” Fielder said.
Emphasis mine, Backwoods Engineer.  And he's correct-- Bundy Ranch is just a symptom of a larger problem with federal encroachment onto state sovereignty and Constitutional limits.

Fox News has more:
Idaho, New Mexico, Arizona, Nevada, Wyoming, Oregon and Washington also were represented, but none of the other states has gone as far as Utah, where lawmakers passed a measure demanding that the federal government extinguish title to federal lands. 
The lawmakers and Gov. Gary Herber have said they’re only asking the federal government to make good on promises made in the 1894 Enabling Act for Utah to become a state. The intent was never to take over national parks and wilderness created by an act of Congress, said Lockhart, a Republican from Provo. 
“We are not interested in having control of every acre,” she said. “There are lands that are off the table that rightly have been designated by the federal government.” 
Ivory said federal government’s debt threatens its management of vast tracts of the West and its ability to make payments in lieu of taxes to the states, the Tribune reported. He said the issue is of interest to both urban and rural lawmakers. 
“If we don’t stand up and act, seeing that trajectory of what’s coming … those problems are going to get bigger,” Ivory was quoted as saying.
Indeed, the federal incursions will only get bigger and bloodier.  Next Patriot's Day, it's hard to tell what I will be reporting in this space, dear reader.


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1 posted on 04/19/2014 3:01:20 PM PDT by backwoods-engineer
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To: backwoods-engineer
And there are useful idiots in the Conservative movement, some on this very forum, that are worked up into a fervor about the ‘fate of the Ukraine”, all the while this sh!t is happening in our own country!
2 posted on 04/19/2014 3:11:18 PM PDT by nomad
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To: backwoods-engineer

Don't expect all FReepers to agree. There were more than a few who having armored vehicles running up and down their streets and having cops with sniper rifles and machine guns going door to door made them feel 'safe'.
3 posted on 04/19/2014 3:11:48 PM PDT by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: Kartographer

Indeed there are. And I can’t understand it. That picture above that you and I posted just turns my stomach. My ancestors in the Revolution would fire back at the scumbag in the picture.


4 posted on 04/19/2014 3:16:48 PM PDT by backwoods-engineer (Blog: www.BackwoodsEngineer.com)
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To: nomad

I’m all for Ukraine being free, but yeah, it’s a distraction, while the usurping federal government unmoors itself from its Constitutional restraints and wreaks tyranny on its own citizens.


5 posted on 04/19/2014 3:18:05 PM PDT by backwoods-engineer (Blog: www.BackwoodsEngineer.com)
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To: backwoods-engineer
"Besides the potential Federal counter-attack"

Here's the part that will shock us all, and instill fear in the great masses of the People:

The Feds will not go back to Bunkerville (except when everyone there now is gone).

And when those folks are gona, either driving home on on the next Tuesday at 0304am, they will arrest each and every one of them. They'll shoot and burn any who resist.

They intend to try and imprison them for Federal Crimes.

Rest assured the Feds have identified every vehicle from which a gun has emerged, and every person who retrieved one. They know where that person lives and everyone they are acquainted with.

We are about to wake up to the realization the entire nation is a prison camp.

6 posted on 04/19/2014 3:18:23 PM PDT by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: Kartographer

By the way, Kart, thanks for the clearer version of that picture. I’ve updated the blog with it.


7 posted on 04/19/2014 3:20:41 PM PDT by backwoods-engineer (Blog: www.BackwoodsEngineer.com)
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To: All

It’s time to choose sides. Ask yourself what side you are on.


8 posted on 04/19/2014 3:22:00 PM PDT by B4Ranch (Name your illness, do a Google & YouTube search with "hydrogen peroxide". Do it and be surprised.)
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To: backwoods-engineer

It happened once, it could happen again.


9 posted on 04/19/2014 3:22:18 PM PDT by mulligan (I)
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To: Mariner
Mariner, I think you're right about the nature of the federal counter-attack. I do think they will attack people at home. But you know what? That just opens the federals up for the same kind of "rules of engagement" on their own people. The way they dish it out is the way it will come down on them. It ain't gonna be pretty, and it could go downhill rather quickly.

Pray. I know I am.

10 posted on 04/19/2014 3:23:40 PM PDT by backwoods-engineer (Blog: www.BackwoodsEngineer.com)
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To: backwoods-engineer

Video at the end is very good. Thanks for posting this


11 posted on 04/19/2014 3:23:51 PM PDT by McGavin999
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To: B4Ranch

I think the militia movement really proved itself at Bundy Ranch, and is rapidly gaining sympathizers among people who until recently never even thought about such a thing.


12 posted on 04/19/2014 3:25:31 PM PDT by backwoods-engineer (Blog: www.BackwoodsEngineer.com)
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To: backwoods-engineer

Great work but beware the humble gunner


13 posted on 04/19/2014 3:27:11 PM PDT by wardaddy (america was lost about the time black thugs appropriated cafe bikes as social status)
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To: mulligan

Sadly, tyranny has happened many times here in America, after Lexington and Concord. The Bonus Army. The Battle of Athens Tennessee. Elian Gonzalez. Ruby Ridge. Waco. There are so more examples, as you doubtless know.


14 posted on 04/19/2014 3:27:42 PM PDT by backwoods-engineer (Blog: www.BackwoodsEngineer.com)
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To: backwoods-engineer
P!ss on the Ukraine! P!ss on the rest of the world!

We need to be the world policeman all the while that jackbooted thug is stomping on our necks with those very same boots?

Screw that F-ing sh!t!

15 posted on 04/19/2014 3:28:13 PM PDT by nomad
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To: McGavin999
Thanks for reading.

Yes, I liked that video, and decided to add it to the blog after I had posted on FR. I have been particularly impressed with Matt Shea and Michele Fiore.

16 posted on 04/19/2014 3:29:31 PM PDT by backwoods-engineer (Blog: www.BackwoodsEngineer.com)
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To: backwoods-engineer

That’s a indisputable fact.


17 posted on 04/19/2014 3:30:08 PM PDT by B4Ranch (Name your illness, do a Google & YouTube search with "hydrogen peroxide". Do it and be surprised.)
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To: wardaddy

I have humblegunner’s own “seal of approval”! He gave me the image so I can post it on my FR posts.


18 posted on 04/19/2014 3:30:36 PM PDT by backwoods-engineer (Blog: www.BackwoodsEngineer.com)
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To: wardaddy

Did he say his name five times?


19 posted on 04/19/2014 3:30:51 PM PDT by Irenic (The pencil sharpener and Elmer's glue is put away-- we've lost the red wheelbarrow)
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To: nomad

Agree with your #15. I used to be a big advocate of American global force projection. No more. Now, it’s just FedGov protecting its interests: money and power. Plus, Jefferson would be horrified by our overseas meddling.


20 posted on 04/19/2014 3:33:10 PM PDT by backwoods-engineer (Blog: www.BackwoodsEngineer.com)
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To: backwoods-engineer

“Plus, Jefferson would be horrified by our overseas meddling.”

I am not so certain of that. He started the first undeclared war, against Muslim pirates in North Africa.


21 posted on 04/19/2014 3:43:27 PM PDT by marktwain (The old media must die for the Republic to live. Long live the new media!)
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To: Mariner

We are about to wake up to the realization the entire nation is a prison camp.

_________________—

You are so right and has been for a while. Physically searched at airports, stops on highways, attacks on homes? What more evidence do we need?


22 posted on 04/19/2014 3:46:43 PM PDT by Chickensoup (Leftist totalitarian fascism is on the move.)
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To: backwoods-engineer
Thank you for putting all that together.

Republic's Slide toward Civil War Continues.. civil war is more accurate than revolution IMO.

I have posted comments by Lincoln as the Nation approached civil war over many reasons with slavery vs. free states one of them.

It is so easy to just change Abe's remarks to statism vs. Freedom and apply it to today. What will be the nature of our crisis that must the reached and passed before we can fix the problem of two Americas? I wonder.

23 posted on 04/19/2014 3:47:21 PM PDT by WilliamofCarmichael (If modern America's Man on Horseback is out there, Get on the damn horse already!)
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To: marktwain
He started the first undeclared war, against Muslim pirates in North Africa.

I was just reading a letter of his the other day, written after his term, where he was agonizing over that. He eventually came to the conclusion he did the right thing, even though not authorized specifically by the Constitution. Here's the difference: Jefferson struggled with the Constitutionality of his actions. Now, presidents say, "I'll do what I want, and let the Supremes sort out the Constitutionality." It's a difference of intent.

We all should be reading more of the Founders works these days. So many of them are so easily available for free, yet Americans are mostly ignorant of what the Founders wrote.

24 posted on 04/19/2014 3:51:41 PM PDT by backwoods-engineer (Blog: www.BackwoodsEngineer.com)
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To: Chickensoup

RE your #22: doesn’t it just make you sick to endure the TSA at the airport, and think about the sacrifices of the Founders to bring us freedom. It was indeed a Republic, Ben Franklin, but I don’t think we’ve kept it very well.


25 posted on 04/19/2014 3:53:18 PM PDT by backwoods-engineer (Blog: www.BackwoodsEngineer.com)
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To: Mariner
Rest assured the Feds have identified every vehicle from which a gun has emerged, and every person who retrieved one. They know where that person lives and everyone they are acquainted with.
____________________________________________

Then we too will know the area officials. their addresses, phone numbers and acquaintances......

26 posted on 04/19/2014 3:53:27 PM PDT by Hogblog
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To: backwoods-engineer

The”Need”To Declare”Martial Law”Is Being”Engineered”By Obongo And His Bunch!They Will Tell Us That They Have NO CHOICE(and it’s for our own good).The”Stage Is Set”!!!!!!!


27 posted on 04/19/2014 3:54:15 PM PDT by bandleader
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To: WilliamofCarmichael
You're welcome. Thanks for reading.

I am a whole lot more critical of Lincoln than I used to be, but then, most of the tyranny resulting from the Civil War came in Reconstruction, after he had been assassinated. Still, I think the Union victory tempted Abe--and he gave in-- to big government.

28 posted on 04/19/2014 3:55:04 PM PDT by backwoods-engineer (Blog: www.BackwoodsEngineer.com)
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To: bandleader

Re you #27: I think the lesson of Bundy Ranch for Obongo is that martial law isn’t going to be the cakewalk he imagined it would be. I’m encouraged by that. We all should be.


29 posted on 04/19/2014 3:56:40 PM PDT by backwoods-engineer (Blog: www.BackwoodsEngineer.com)
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To: backwoods-engineer

Yeh me too but freedom ain’t free. If the Ukranians want freedom them they will fight for it.

Right now all I am concerned with is restoring the Constitutional Republic and thats going to be a full time job for all Americans.


30 posted on 04/19/2014 3:57:05 PM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose o f a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: Hogblog
Your #26: our own FRiend and author Matt Bracken mentions this in his book Enemies Foreign and Domestic. One of his characters calls it "FEDLIST.ZIP". I guarantee that one exists even now.
31 posted on 04/19/2014 3:59:37 PM PDT by backwoods-engineer (Blog: www.BackwoodsEngineer.com)
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To: Georgia Girl 2

Indeed, restoring Constitutional order will be a full-time job. Luckily, it appears Americans are willing to fight. For awhile, there was some doubt about that. Bundy Ranch dispelled that.


32 posted on 04/19/2014 4:00:57 PM PDT by backwoods-engineer (Blog: www.BackwoodsEngineer.com)
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To: Mariner
The same federal government that can't put together a web site for almost a billion dollars? That can't stop multi-billion dollar marijuana grow operations in the nations national parks? The one that has students rebelling against their school lunches? That federal government?

Careful you don't give them too much credit, or let them have space in your head rent-free.

/johnny

33 posted on 04/19/2014 4:02:25 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: B4Ranch
It’s time to choose sides. Ask yourself what side you are on.

That's easy. I have sworn an oath to defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic. In fact, that was required for my job and several times periodically since that initial oath.

34 posted on 04/19/2014 4:04:00 PM PDT by ThunderSleeps (Stop obarma now! Stop the hussein - insane agenda!)
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To: backwoods-engineer

It took us a century to get where we are under “progressivism”.

It would be a worthwhile task to reverse it over the next century.


35 posted on 04/19/2014 4:04:17 PM PDT by marktwain (The old media must die for the Republic to live. Long live the new media!)
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To: Kartographer
There were more than a few who having armored vehicles running up and down their streets and having cops with sniper rifles and machine guns going door to door made them feel 'safe'.

The idea of that doesn't make me feel safe. Makes me think of 1930s Germany.

I feel safe with a loaded weapon on my person or within arms reach.

36 posted on 04/19/2014 4:05:36 PM PDT by ThunderSleeps (Stop obarma now! Stop the hussein - insane agenda!)
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To: JRandomFreeper
Agree with your #33, but actually, patriots who want to return to Constitutional order need the federals to be incompetent, just like the examples you gave show. I think Bundy Ranch shows them to be incompetent, too.

The best way to defeat unConstitutional forces is not by direct military action, but by defeating their will to tyrannical action. If they are incompetent, and we show competence and restraint per Bundy Ranch, that saps their will.

37 posted on 04/19/2014 4:06:07 PM PDT by backwoods-engineer (Blog: www.BackwoodsEngineer.com)
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To: ThunderSleeps

Per your #34, thank you for your service and the faithfulness of your oath. Though I have never served in the military or held office, I myself have sworn to protect and defend the Constitution as well. All American patriots should.


38 posted on 04/19/2014 4:07:45 PM PDT by backwoods-engineer (Blog: www.BackwoodsEngineer.com)
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To: ThunderSleeps
I feel safe with a loaded weapon on my person or within arms reach.

As do I, my friend! One of the best posts of the thread, right there!

39 posted on 04/19/2014 4:08:48 PM PDT by backwoods-engineer (Blog: www.BackwoodsEngineer.com)
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To: backwoods-engineer

Great post! Defend the Constitution! Defend Liberty!


40 posted on 04/19/2014 4:18:01 PM PDT by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!!)
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To: backwoods-engineer
I was not approving of Lincoln's actions vis-a-vis the Civil War itself. I am not looking for anything like that from the federal government. It's the events leading to war that are similar it seems to me.

His "house divided speech" IMO matches what's going on today.. just substitute "aged 1960s Marxist-Alinsky campus radical, psycho spoiled brats and their ideological issue (the statists)" for slavery advocates. We do have two Americas. It cannot last. One will survive and the other perish.

Of course, there are lots of arguments put forth by patriots prior to the Revolution also that apply today.

41 posted on 04/19/2014 4:21:08 PM PDT by WilliamofCarmichael (If modern America's Man on Horseback is out there, Get on the damn horse already!)
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To: ThunderSleeps

You sound like Harry Reid or any other politician who has been reelected half a dozen times. They say exactly the same thing as you do. I hope your interpretation of the Constitution and for which it stands is different than theirs.


42 posted on 04/19/2014 4:23:50 PM PDT by B4Ranch (Name your illness, do a Google & YouTube search with "hydrogen peroxide". Do it and be surprised.)
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To: ThunderSleeps

43 posted on 04/19/2014 4:27:28 PM PDT by B4Ranch (Name your illness, do a Google & YouTube search with "hydrogen peroxide". Do it and be surprised.)
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To: backwoods-engineer
MODERNMILITIAMOVEMENT.COM

This is one of the ways in which it comes together.

44 posted on 04/19/2014 4:52:04 PM PDT by Salvavida (The restoration of the U.S.A. starts with filling the pews at every Bible-believing church.)
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To: backwoods-engineer
Mariner, I think you're right about the nature of the federal counter-attack. I do think they will attack people at home. But you know what? That just opens the federals up for the same kind of "rules of engagement" on their own people. The way they dish it out is the way it will come down on them. It ain't gonna be pretty, and it could go downhill rather quickly.

Time to re-read Unintended Consequences and get some lessons therefrom.

45 posted on 04/19/2014 4:52:11 PM PDT by JoeFromSidney (Book: Resistance to Tyranny. Buy from Amazon.)
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To: marktwain

AFTER they attacked American-flagged merchant vessels. ..


46 posted on 04/19/2014 5:10:21 PM PDT by Salgak (http://catalogoftehburningstoopid.blogspot.com 100% all-natural snark !)
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To: Salgak

True. He did not wait for them to attack us on this side of the Atlantic.


47 posted on 04/19/2014 6:31:34 PM PDT by marktwain (The old media must die for the Republic to live. Long live the new media!)
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To: nomad

What u said


48 posted on 04/19/2014 7:10:58 PM PDT by wardaddy (america was lost about the time black thugs appropriated cafe bikes as social status)
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To: backwoods-engineer

Nice thread

Great posters


49 posted on 04/19/2014 7:13:12 PM PDT by wardaddy (america was lost about the time black thugs appropriated cafe bikes as social status)
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To: wardaddy

Thanks, it is a good thread! JimRob even popped in! And I have some posters to answer.


50 posted on 04/19/2014 7:31:37 PM PDT by backwoods-engineer (Blog: www.BackwoodsEngineer.com)
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