Posted on 04/20/2014 9:56:48 AM PDT by Oldpuppymax
Our Lord is risen. Our God lives. The Shroud of Turin is speaking to all Christians now more than at any other time in our current history when so many of our religious freedoms are under attack by the US government. John C. Iannone is a Catholic writer and lecturer who is traveling throughout the South during our pre- Easter preparations to bring the story of the holy Shroud to us.
One can only marvel at what this holy garment reveals to us about the suffering Jesus went through to be one of us and to suffer in such horrible ways to draw out our sins and weaknesses into his own Divinity. The Shroud’s authenticity was attacked in the late 1980s by the New York Times which was doing what it does best– mocking the beliefs of Christians.
But Mr. Iannone has studied the issues around this Holy garment since 1978 and tells any and all listeners that...
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Dr. John Jackson, one of the members of the 1978 Shroud of Turin Research Project (STURP) study is a friend of mine. STURP was the very first scientific study of the Shroud.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zdKGV4SMpKY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ZgTstKXb7Y&feature=player_embedded
Again, the Shroud of Turin has never been to America.
The Shroud will be displayed in Turin in 2015, for Easter and 45 days afterword (roughly).
I’m going — who’s with me?
I have created a 60-slide Powerpoint presentation on the Shroud; if you would like a copy, send me a personal note with your email address. The pdf is 4 MB.
When this topic comes up, and it is of interest to me, I always think of the scripture account of the apostle Thomas who declared that he would not believe in a risen Christ unless he could put his own hand in Jesus' side and in the wounds on his hands. As I recall, Jesus blessed him for seeing and believing but went on to say that those who believe without seeing possess greater faith.
I am not interested in making anti-Roman Catholic comments on this matter. If I remember correctly, the RC Church does not make the claim that it is the real deal.
I have attempted to keep up with the scientific analyses over the decades. I suppose Wikipedia would offer a decent summary of those results. As best I recall, all the tests to date have been inconclusive as to the age of the shroud, its geographical origin, and what physical-chemical event created the image.
I recall reading Josh McDowell's book, Evidence That Demands a Verdict ~ 1978 while in graduate school. My major advisor, a fundamentalist Christian, loaned it to me. McDowell went into great detail about the Jewish burial traditions of Jesus' time. As best I can recall, he said that the corpse was wrapped in a long strip of cloth, like the stereotypical Egyptian mummy, from the ankles up to the arm pits leaving the feet and arms/shoulders bare. A seperate cloth/napkin was placed over the face. Spices and perfumes were included in the wrappings.
McDowell's burial description is very interesting when you compare it with the NT gospel accounts of Joseph of Arimathea placing Jesus' body in 1 of his family's empty tombs. It was all done in a great hurry for several reasons ...
1. Jesus died on Good Friday afternoon - many place the hour around 3 p.m.
2. It was during the Passover feast in Jerusalem with large crowds and approaching sundown when the traditional Sabbath was also observed. Also, handling of a corpse made faithful Jews ritually unclean during this high holy day.
3. Joseph of Arimathea had to petition Pilate to claim the body, then transport the body to the tomb. Whoever was in the burial detail had to work fast and probably did not have the time to wrap Jesus' body in the traditional manner.
4. Mary Magadlena was returning Sunday a.m. to help prepare Jesus' body more properly with spices/perfumes. Of course, she would need for someone to roll the stone away for her.
I can rationalize that the burial party simply covered Jesus' body in a sheet like the Shroud of Turin because of the extreme time pressure with which they were faced.
McDowell's book ended with the simple declaration that accepting Jesus' ressurection is a matter of faith.
I am sure you were just jesting in your reply. Jesus would of course have the Mitochondrial DNA of the mother......I think every child has that.
BUT: what about the father's DNA.....? do you think there would be a DNA of GOD........I don't.
I do believe this is the actual shroud of Christ, but then too I really don't need any proof for my FAITH to survive.
The shroud of Turin is interesting but I ought not make a fetish.
“I am the Resurrection and the Life’’. Amen!
Look into what was called a ‘’camera obscura’’. An early kind of photographic device sometimes used by Da Vinci.
What? You mean I paid to see a fake with hundreds of people lined up outside that hotel, who also paid to see The Shroud of Turin? That’s unbelievable!
I didn’t plan to go see it, I was there on business training for two weeks. I saw the exhibit and got in line. Who Wouldn’t? Of course I was young...
That may have been a replica, but I had a good feeling about it, and it was in 1979 because I went back and looked at my certificate for the two weeks of business classes for my position. That was during the controversy of it’s authenticity. Oh well.
Empireoftheatom48 said what I saw might have been a replica.
I guess at the time of the controversy from 1978, a year later this might have been an attempt to draw support for the authenticity of the Shroud of Turin.
I felt good while viewing it, but it was an outside viewing and a long line of people. Maybe we didn’t pay, I know I paid for a lot of things in Atlanta those two weeks...a lot of money changed hands from mine to theirs.
It’s great you felt that way, I remember watching the people around me and how they were just in awe! Being so close it was remarkable! After dinner that night we walked past the Cathedral could look in an see them setting up for the scientific investigation that had been permitted!
The good feeling may have just been confirmation to me that The real Shroud of Turin was authentic....that was what I felt at the time. I was young and didn’t read everything on display, as I was in a time crunch and there for my career not a vacation.
Shroud of Turin discussion
Couple of problems. . .
First and foremost: DaVinci was born 100 years, almost to the day, after the Shroud was first displayed.
Secondly, the Shroud is not an artifact of light. It is an artifact that represents graphically the distance of the cloth from the skin and hair, and shows not effects of light and shadow. It is a terrain map that shows no directionality, which all light originated artifacts must.
Thanks for the ping!
He's right. . .
" In 1578 the relic is moved to Turin, Italy, and first became known as the Shroud of Turin. The move, says historian and Shroud expert Ian Wilson, "was partly because a Cardinal from Milan [Charles Borromeo] was going to visit the Shroud and was planning to take the journey on foot from Milan to Chambery, so they brought the Shroud to Turin to save him part of the journey." Apart from being moved into hiding (to a monastery in Southern Italy—Swordmaker) during World War II, the Shroud has remained in Turin ever since."
Most likely you saw one of the full size high resolution photographs made by the Shroud of Turin Research Project (STURP) official visible light photographer Barrie Schwortz in 1978. He founded the Shroud Website shroud.com, which has become the central clearing house of all scientific and scholarly papers on the Shroud. It's now run by a non-profit. Barrie is a Jew who is convinced the Shroud is authentic.
Thanks for the ping, Swordmaker.
Just check it out. You’ll be intrigued by it.
I truly felt the Shroud of Turin was authentic, replica or not. This was a huge viewing of a replica in Atlanta, if that’s the case, because I had to stand in line for quite awhile.
Not as long a line as the time I went to New Orleans to see the Monet exhibit, before it was returned to France.
That’s another story....and that was definitely not replicas. Some of those paintings covered walls.
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