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Man Arrested For Punching Fellow Bar Patron In Face During "Heated Debate" Over Bundy Ranch Standoff
The Smoking Gun ^ | April 21, 2014

Posted on 04/21/2014 12:36:03 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

A “heated debate” over the Bundy Ranch standoff turned violent early Friday when a bar patron slugged another man in the face, resulting in his arrest for battery.

According to cops, David Craig, 54, and Brian Holt, 31, were seated next to each other at the bar at Papa Joe’s in Bradenton when they “got into a heated debate over the Bundy Ranch, and the ‘range wars.’”

Holt told a Manatee County Sheriff’s Office deputy that Craig “became offended by his opinion and got up to yell at him.” The men, Holt said, got into each other’s face before Craig (seen at right) punched him in the mouth. Left with a split lip, Holt was able to provide an investigator with the license plate for Craig’s Toyota Tacoma.

When a deputy later confronted Craig, he acknowledged arguing with Holt, “but would leave out the fact that a battery occurred,” reported Deputy Sarah Kane, who noted that Craig’s vehicle had been “purposely hidden behind his residence and then behind a shed in a dark area.”

Charged with misdemeanor battery, Craig was booked into the county jail, from which he was released after posting $500 bond.

The sheriff’s report does not detail Craig’s and Holt’s respective positions on the dispute between Nevada rancher Cliven Bundy and the federal Bureau of Land Management. Bundy, who does not recognize BLM authority over his property, owes the government more than $1 million in fees due to his cattle herd grazing on public land for more than two decades.

When BLM officials recently sought to confiscate the 67-year-old rancher’s cattle, a standoff ensued, with Bundy (seen at left) and some of his armed supporters making ominous comparisons to the deadly confrontations at Ruby Ridge and the Branch Davidian compound in Waco, Texas. U.S. Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid has called Bundy and his supporters “domestic terrorists.” Seeking to avoid a violent confrontation, BLM workers released Bundy’s cattle and left the area.


TOPICS: Government; Local News; Society
KEYWORDS: blm; bundy; florida; nevada
Didn't this sort of thing happen quite a bit before the Revolutionary War and the Civil War?
1 posted on 04/21/2014 12:36:03 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

In Congress, maybe ....


2 posted on 04/21/2014 12:40:52 PM PDT by tgusa (gun control: deep breath, sight alignment, squeeze the trigger .......)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
The sheriff’s report does not detail Craig’s and Holt’s respective positions on the dispute

Well, that's a shame.

3 posted on 04/21/2014 12:45:30 PM PDT by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I shall defend to your death my right to say it)
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To: tgusa

4 posted on 04/21/2014 12:48:32 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (I will raise $2M for Cruz and/or Palin's next run, what will you do?)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Bundy, who does not recognize BLM authority over his property, owes the government more than $1 million in fees due to his cattle herd grazing on public land for more than two decades.

A lie told often enought, is still a lie.

5 posted on 04/21/2014 12:51:57 PM PDT by rjsimmon (The Tree of Liberty Thirsts)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

"This ain't over"


6 posted on 04/21/2014 12:51:58 PM PDT by Zeneta (Thoughts in time and out of season.)
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To: Puppage

Here’s the thing - I’m pretty sure you’d agree with one of them and disagree with the other...

but that’s just a guess on my part...


7 posted on 04/21/2014 12:54:00 PM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I can’t believe bar fights are becoming reportable news.


8 posted on 04/21/2014 12:58:55 PM PDT by upsdriver
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
I found that book's thesis to be fairly silly.

The Civil War happened 8 years after Brooks' cowardly assault on an unarmed man. And the first shots were fired by the "winning" side of Brooks' embarrassing violence.

Brooks and Sumner's argument was over the phenomenon that led to the Civil War.

Interesting research in that book though.

9 posted on 04/21/2014 1:00:32 PM PDT by wideawake
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Yes and this too

". . . some key [events] exacerbated the national debate, fraying trust, and national cohesion just a little more each time . . . The two-party system that had governed America . . . began to fall apart . . . interest in politics took the place of all other forms of news-related entertainment . . . politicians were the celebrities . . . [Politics/ideology] was becoming such a habit, the reactions so automatic, that [journalists] taking sides on every news story became inevitable."

.. I just can't avoid thinking about this from for Love & Liberty by Robin Young and it's about 1857 America.

10 posted on 04/21/2014 1:03:44 PM PDT by WilliamofCarmichael (If modern America's Man on Horseback is out there, Get on the damn horse already!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
The sheriff’s report does not detail Craig’s and Holt’s respective positions on the dispute

From the account, it's fairly obvious. Intolerance to the point of provoking violence is a trait of the left. If I was a betting man, I would wager that Craig is the intolerant liberal here.

11 posted on 04/21/2014 1:04:17 PM PDT by Hoodat (Democrats - Opposing Equal Protection since 1828)
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To: MrB
Here’s the thing - I’m pretty sure you’d agree with one of them and disagree with the other...

Well, I COULD be for one of them before I wasn't....right?

12 posted on 04/21/2014 1:17:36 PM PDT by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I shall defend to your death my right to say it)
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To: upsdriver

“I can’t believe bar fights are becoming reportable news.”

No kidding. And you should see this little hole in the wall, Papa Joe’s.


13 posted on 04/21/2014 1:21:04 PM PDT by ryan71 (The Partisans)
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To: wideawake

Brooks’ cowardly assault on an unarmed man.

If... he had believed Sumner to be a gentleman, he might have challenged him to a duel.
Instead, he chose a light cane of the type used to discipline unruly dogs. Sumner got off light and he kept his mouth shut after that.

There is to this day a price to pay for insults no matter the pay grade. Horns still hook.


14 posted on 04/21/2014 1:28:01 PM PDT by riverss
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
I can't speak on behalf of Nevada, but as a Nevada resident I haven't yet seen a supporter on either side in the 'Bundy Ranch Standoff' (and there's really at least three sides, and maybe four) articulate with clarity what the hell they think is really going on there and how it came to be this way.

The whole issue is very complicated, and doesn't just involve rancher Bundy, isn't about unpaid taxes/fines, or that the BLM are alleged to be minions of Satan, or that endangered desert tortoises are at risk, or the whole spectacle chiefly concerns the grandfathered use of public/private/tribal land and water exploitation.

The real issue is about how both the BLM and NV ranchers are often supporting laws they agree with while ignoring the laws they don't like or care to enforce while at the same time the government agencies are sued by environmentalists into enforcing laws that neither they or the environmentalists understand or even support. One of the top issues here is about water rights, yet the codified laws about water rights in Nevada are probably the least confusing of all issues in this conflict.

It's not just this one rancher named Bundy; it's every rancher and farmer in the state of Nevada. This issue is so messed up that even different Federal agencies are at odds with one another (US Forestry Service vs. BLM) and departments and districts within the BLM are internally at odds with one another over more zealous districts making up rules as they see fit and holding them up as 'law' even if they run contrary to real laws and treaties. This conflict is more complicated and has more 'sides' in the fight than the Balkans Conflict of the 1990s.

All sides in this need to take a big step back, but the reason that this Bundy ranch incident became such a spectacle is because a landowner in Nevada finally stood up to the Feds and most surprisingly the Feds blinked.

These laws and rules and control and jurisdictions need to be addressed at the Congressional level, in my opinion.

15 posted on 04/21/2014 1:28:23 PM PDT by The KG9 Kid
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To: The KG9 Kid

... and to stay on topic, the fact that drunks 3000 miles away in Sarasota Florida are punching each other up in saloon fights over this incident going on in my home state is just bewildering.


16 posted on 04/21/2014 1:30:29 PM PDT by The KG9 Kid
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Good point and true. This country is in a culture war and its divided about 50/50. This cannot continue indefinitely. One side or the other has to win. We are on the brink of a Civil War.


17 posted on 04/21/2014 1:40:49 PM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose o f a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: MrB

Maybe it was over the breed of cows...


18 posted on 04/21/2014 1:55:06 PM PDT by Axenolith (Government blows, and that which governs least, blows least...)
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To: riverss
Hilarious.

Brooks didn't challenge Sumner to a duel because Brooks was a coward and was scared to death of the unpredictability inherent to a duel.

So he waited until he had two strong friends with him, armed himself with a club, and waited until his unarmed opponent was sitting down at a disadvantage. Then he clubbed him thirty times.

"Got off light"? You believe that the proper response when someone says that someone else is pro-slavery (and is right in saying so) is a permanent brain injury? Who raised you?

Sumner, however, did not keep his mouth shut as you falsely claim. He rehabilitated himself and returned to publc life. He continued to oppose the buying and selling of human beings, and lived to see chattel slavery extinguished in the entire country.

Brooks, the sucker-punching loser, manfully died of a cold before he was able to "honorably" run like a rabbit from the Union Army. He made the titular princess of "The Princess and the Pea" look tough.

19 posted on 04/21/2014 2:02:43 PM PDT by wideawake
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To: wideawake

You are a real life purebred yankee liberal, bless your heart.


20 posted on 04/21/2014 2:17:58 PM PDT by riverss
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To: riverss
A leftist is, among other things, someone who thinks that other human beings are objects that can be bought and sold.

Your views on the matter are now fairly obvious.

Another mark of a leftist - like a Castro or a Lenin or a Brooks - is the belief that if anyone verbally disagrees with you, physical violence is a justified and moral response.

Yet another mark of a leftist is contempt for Christianity - being the kind of degenerate who would take a decent phrase like "bless your heart" and turn it into a sarcastic vessel of abuse and pettiness, for example.

I am a proudly purebred Yankee, that's certain.

But I am no Democrat liberal like the whnging Preston Brooks.

I'm an old-fashioned conservative who believes in paying a man for a day's work, instead of freeloading off him and then having an overseer whip him if he dares to complain.

21 posted on 04/21/2014 2:27:53 PM PDT by wideawake
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To: wideawake

I’m happy for you.


22 posted on 04/21/2014 2:40:15 PM PDT by riverss
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To: MrB

You might even disagree with both, but certainly not agree with both.


23 posted on 04/21/2014 3:11:30 PM PDT by Scrambler Bob (You can count my felonies by looking at my FR replies.)
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To: upsdriver

I can’t believe that little wuss called the cops over a split lip. And that the other guy left and hid behind a shed over giving a guy a split lip! Remeber when men were men?


24 posted on 04/21/2014 3:14:07 PM PDT by thefactor (yes, as a matter of fact, i DID only read the excerpt)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Didn't this sort of thing happen quite a bit before the Revolutionary War and the Civil War?

You're right. Remember Shay's Rebellion. The people with power squeezed the little people too much. It will happen again.

25 posted on 04/21/2014 3:23:01 PM PDT by ladyjane
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To: The KG9 Kid

The animosity between US Forestry Service vs. BLM is the stuff of legends.


26 posted on 04/21/2014 3:25:12 PM PDT by ladyjane
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
The sheriff’s report does not detail Craig’s and Holt’s respective positions on the dispute...

That stinks. It's a rather salient point in a somewhat amusing story.

27 posted on 04/21/2014 3:33:02 PM PDT by TigersEye (Stupid is a Progressive disease.)
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To: ladyjane
Shay's Rebellion happened five years after the War of Independence ended, and 75 years before the Civil War began.

Shay's Rebellion was the precursor and predictor of no wider movement.

Shay's Rebellion was put down quickly by the state government, and is considered by some to be a contributing factor to the US Constitution being much more strongly federal than the Articles of Confederation - but the Rebellion was a complete failure that produced nothing..

28 posted on 04/21/2014 4:49:17 PM PDT by wideawake
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To: wideawake

You seem to have some strong feelings about Shay’s Rebellion. That’s interesting.

It was not put down quickly. Perhaps attacking the Springfield Armory but the Rebellion arose from the power people squeezing the little people.


29 posted on 04/21/2014 6:05:33 PM PDT by ladyjane
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To: ladyjane
not put down quickly

It lasted from September 1786 to February 1787.

That's not exactly The Hundred Years' War.

The attack on the armory was its first major action, which was a failure, and it effectively ended a week later.

the power people

Did you pick this phrase up in Zuccotti Park?

Creditors have a right for their debts to be repaid on time, and the government has the power to collect the taxes the assembly has voted to levy.

There is a difference between George Washington and Peter Pan.

30 posted on 04/21/2014 6:35:55 PM PDT by wideawake
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To: wideawake
Did you pick this phrase up in Zuccotti Park?

No. Benton Park. But I doubt you know about it.

31 posted on 04/21/2014 7:08:21 PM PDT by ladyjane
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To: riverss

And still we fight over a incident that happened over 100 years ago.
This is why the left has it all over the right. They have their act together.
As long as we are mired in the past, we will always be behind the curve.


32 posted on 04/22/2014 6:13:49 AM PDT by Yorlik803 ( Church/Caboose in 2016)
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