Skip to comments.PATTON Understood the Scumbag Russians...
Posted on 05/01/2014 2:51:59 AM PDT by Reaganite Republican
Since Obama is already well-along in his scheme to ideologically purge and fundamentally transform our nation's once-proud military, the only voices speaking out against America's dramatic military decline would be those no longer in office/active service... so he doesn't have to endure the kind of reality that Gen Patton presented to the (Democratic) US administration in 1945...
On May 7, 1945, just before the German capitulation, Patton had a conference in Austria with U.S. Secretary of War Robert Patterson.
Patton was gravely concerned over the Soviet failure to respect the demarcation lines separating the Soviet and American occupation zones. He was also alarmed by plans in Washington for the immediate partial demobilization of the U.S. Army.
Patton said to Patterson: "Let's keep our boots polished, bayonets sharpened, and present a picture of force and strength to the Red Army. This is the only language they understand and respect."
Patterson replied, "Oh, George, you have been so close to this thing so long, you have lost sight of the big picture.
"I understand the situation. Their (the Soviet) supply system is inadequate to maintain them in a serious action such as I could put to them.
They have chickens in the coop and cattle on the hoof -- that's their supply system. They could probably maintain themselves in the type of fighting I could give them for five days.
After that it would make no difference how many million men they have, and if you wanted Moscow I could give it to you. They lived on the land coming down. There is insufficient left for them to maintain themselves going back. Let's not give them time to build up their supplies.
If we do, then . . . we have had a victory over the Germans and disarmed them, but we have failed in the liberation of Europe; we have lost the war!"Stand-up guy and American war hero Patton paid for this moral and strategic clarity (which could have prevented the 40+ years occupation of eastern Europe) with his life (as so many in the way of the Obama regime's foolhardy agenda have).
As long as America is worried about Ukraine, it’s not worried about ObamaCare.
Personally, I RESPECT Russia looking out for the interests of its people (i.e., ethnic Russians) in the Ukraine.
Maybe other countries abandon their friends at the first time of trouble (Benghazi, ‘Arab Spring’, now Israel, soon Japan and Taiwan), but once you are friends with Russia, they WILL stand by you.
Right. Americans can only do one thing at a time. You’ve as much contempt for Americans as Putin does.
Yeah, lots of people were impressed with how the Germans in Austria, the Sudetenland, and Danzig were looked out for too. Pan-russian chauvinism couldn’t evolve to anything the world would need to worry about as Putin interjects himself into the affairs of other nations to help the poor mistreated Russians.
ONe could easily argue that we never finish ourwars..
1. War II as is stated in this article. The greatest generation left a big mess for future generations.
2. Korean War. Agreeing to terms that could have agreed to before the shooting started.
3. Viet Nam need a I say more?
4. Desert Storm. Bush Sr. was an idiot. Could have changed the entire course of that region had he finished the job.
5. Iraq War II. Oh...you get the picture.
I think it might be that we lack the Stonewall Jackson’s in the presidency. WE are a milk toast nation. The imposter in chief will never understand that strength brings results and that weakness brings war.
The posturing in Ukraine and Syria are hideously weak and shameful.
If you look at Patton’s suggestions, it would have taken virtually nothing to get the Russians to back down.
SAme now. IT would take very little to get the Russians to back off....and the whole world would be behind us.
But now the worm has turned. Russia is the budding capitalist society and we are run by Marxists.
So I don’t give a flying fig what Putin does in countries that were once part of Russia. I hope a future American president has the stones to return California Arizona New Mexico and California to America after zer0 gives it to LaRaza Mexico.
So you want to get involved in war for Ukraine? Not me.
I would encourage everyone to read “Target Patton”. Whether you agree with the authors conclusions or not it is a fascinating read and includes some very interesting and obscure history.
It sounds easy until you start looking at what was in the State and Army Departments at the time. Communists. Probably a lot of our decisions made after WW II were made with these communists pushing people in their direction.
“Personally, I RESPECT Russia looking out for the interests of its people (i.e., ethnic Russians) in the Ukraine.
Yes. Just ask the Georgians and Ukrainians how great Russian friendship is. Might as well as the Poles, Hungarians, Czechs, Finns, Estonians, Lithuanians, and Latvians as well.
“Hey Russia- on behalf of the sane folks of our country -the side you haven’t heard from in a while- GO TO HELL: we don’t respect you, we don’t like you, we will never trust you... and in fact think you are largely hostile, thieving, drunken 3rd-world trash... especially the tacky rich ones.”
No way Obama follows any of these tactics and strategies
He will continue to bend over backwards to prove his flexibility.
It would not surprise me in the least if it were ever proven ironclad true. Until a few years ago, I dismissed the conspiracy theory. Now I’m a little more open to the idea.
Are you daft? What a ridiculous comment. Ukraine is being robbed.
“but once you are friends with Russia, they WILL stand by you.”
Just like the Mafia will stand by you; if they don’t kill you first!
The Russians are a bunch of thugs; the evil empire as Reagan said. There is ZERO to admire in them.
You are so right. In particular WWII marks a turning point. Instead of serious war (and DECLARED) with gentleman’s rules, we got undeclared gentleman’s wars with serious (stupid) rules. Mostly, that we must be “nice” and help/totally rebuild. And what do we get for being nice? Kicked around as “imperialist” “occupiers”.
Patton ‘got it’. He wanted to truck right in to Moscow—we could’ve ended the cold war before it started with an invasion and a few nuke strikes.
Nobody will ever convince me that he wasn’t “offed”.
Probably no nukes would have been used, even if we had them.
“a few nuke strikes.”
I am not sure Patton knew about the weapon. Furthermore, there was not enough fissionable material to make more than a few bombs at the time of VE day.
That said, I am not so sure we would have won an engagement in the East. Our supply lines were extended quite far and our “allies” were not keen on going beyond Germany, most of it that is. We were gearing up for an invasion of the Japanese homeland too. I think we also demonstrated our lack of expansion also in China in that we did not enter into the conflict with the commies there post beating Japan either.
I do believe that Patton was right on in his assessment of Stalin and the Commies but our will to expand the war was not in the cards even though Germany had a non aggression pact with Russia tacitly giving the Nazis the impetus to attack westward.
obamaCare is communism.
My dad was one trigger pull away from giving Patton his war with Russia.
My thoughts are that a war with Russia at that time was not a good idea. We were still at war with Japan, and Russia had a non aggression pact with the Japs. What if Russia had then come in on the side of the Japs?
The industrial might of the USSR was beyond the Urals where we could not get to them. Russia also had control of Iran at that time. Our bombers would have had to fly through the same type anti-aircraft fire that isolated the German armies in Stalingrad.
It was later found that Russia had another army uncommitted to the war. It has been surmised that they may have invaded Alaska and moved East.
Americans were tired of war and another one would have been a PR disaster back home.
My dad was returned to the US to prepare for the invasion of Japan. Truman (bless him) ordered the dropping of the two nukes and the invasion never took place.
I don’t know if he knew about the Manhattan Project or not—he probably didn’t know.
We had troops on both Russian fronts though at the close of WWII. An eastern invasion of Russia could have been facilitated since our troops were already at the doorstep around Japan, however you make a good point about the Chinese conflict.
It’s just interesting to contemplate what could have been, had the American people had the will to finish the job. Russia had lost over 20 million from what I understand—they would have been sitting ducks I think.
“We were still at war with Japan, and Russia had a non aggression pact with the Japs.”
News to me...
Back then pretty much Russians and Ukrainians were lumped together.
***News to me...***
Back in the early years, Japan invaded parts of Russia and got their butts handed back to them. They then signed a neutrality pact which lasted till Russia violated it and attacked after the Nazis surrendered. Russia had agreed with the Allies to attack Japan after the fall of Germany which they did.
The Russo-Japanese War of the early 20th century resulted in a Japanese victory and the Treaty of Portsmouth by which, in conjunction with other later events including the Mukden Incident and Japanese invasion of Manchuria in September 1931, Japan eventually gained control of Korea, Manchuria and Southern Sakhalin.
In the late 1930s there were a number of Soviet-Japanese border incidents, the most significant being the Battle of Lake Khasan (Changkufeng Incident, JulyAugust 1938) and the Battle of Khalkhin Gol (Nomonhan Incident, MaySeptember 1939), which led to the SovietJapanese Neutrality Pact of April 1941.
The Neutrality Pact freed up forces from the border incidents and enabled the Soviets to concentrate on their war with Germany, and the Japanese to concentrate on their southern expansion into Asia and the Pacific Ocean.
At the Yalta Conference (February 1945), amongst other things, Stalin secured from Roosevelt the promise of Stalin’s Far Eastern territorial desires, in return agreeing to enter the Pacific war within two or three months of the defeat of Germany.
By the middle of March 1945, things were not going well in the Pacific for the Japanese, and they withdrew their elite troops from Manchuria to support actions in the Pacific. Meanwhile the Soviets continued their Far Eastern buildup. The Soviets had decided that they did not wish to renew the Neutrality Pact.
The terms of the Neutrality Pact required that 12 months before its expiry, the Soviets must advise the Japanese of this, so on 5 April 1945 they informed the Japanese that they did not wish to renew the treaty.
This caused the Japanese considerable concern, but the Soviets went to great efforts to assure the Japanese that the treaty would still be in force for another twelve months, and that the Japanese had nothing to worry about.
Russia is out for RUSSIA... anybody thinking they are a loyal friend or benefactor in good faith is delusional and -eventually- in for a hideous shock
Ok it’s not budding capitalism. If you say so
What I am not ‘delusional’ about is the fact that the USA is currently under a Marxist executive branch and I could give a frozen Canuck rats rear end what the Russians are doing in that part of the world when my nation has bigger fish to fry. Perhaps you are use to public health and banned handguns in Ca-NA-duh (that should balance out you’re ‘delusional’ slur) but we don’t take kindly to Marxism here. We are current at loggerheads and my nation could melt down into severe public strife.
I don’t care what Putin does in Crimea and the Ukraine. As a man I respect him a bazillion times more than zer0.
Some Paulbots on here apparently
Just don’t buy into Russia being a good guy, it is a bad guy, depraved
Russia capitalist? That is a joke. Putin put one of his business rivals in jail. When it comes to bids on development assets the winner is always a crony of Putin with the lower bid.
I second that. Churchill tried to warn FDR about Stalin, but that commie FDR would not listen. Russia and Russians go to hell. Your birth rates have already destined you to the dustbin of history. Good riddance.
Reagan was anti-Communist, not anti-Russian. Reagan was not a racist. He was a U.S. patriot who opposed Communism, at home and abroad.
What you say is probably true. Americans were tired of war, but they carved up Europe and Iran and Iraq and then Israel. I mean, we’re paying the price now.
Reagan would be firmly opposed to Putin right now
“Reagan was anti-Communist, not anti-Russian. Reagan was not a racist. He was a U.S. patriot who opposed Communism”
What you say is technically correct but today’s Kremlin is the EXACT same KGB clique that enabled the USSR to exist!
Reagan wouldn’t have liked Putin expansionism any more than he did Soviet expansionism- they’re not longer a full fledged Evil Empire, but they’re working on it...
Nations and people sure change fast in your world.
Russians are no longer Russian and the Americans are no longer the Americans, and all it took for them to replace each other in your mind, was an election.
Perhaps the Japanese can suddenly become something totally different from what they have been for thousands of years, in one election the Japanese might suddenly take on the national character of Australia, or perhaps Ireland.
there you go.
the problem wasn't Russians... it was big govt commies and their ideology that drives them to capture more countries (assets, ie: other people's money).
Patton would have the exact same problem with 0bama and his ilk these days.
Patton would also see these Russian moves as obvious and from the same cloth...whether it be communist land grabs or ultra nationalist land grabs.
Makes me homesick. Like zer0 doesn’t play crony capitalist.
Get to your point
We have only been Ameican for a little over 200 years
You may not feel the republic is in danger because of one (or 2 ) election. I dont know. Time will tell. I do know we have an avowed Marxist in the white hut. We are on a precipice and I cannot worry about Russia unless they go after the Czechs or Poles or Germany. And even if they do I do not trust zer0 with our military. I’ll wait out the next 2.5 years before I feel comfortable with someone who controls the American military forces.
as a people, Russians don’t respect weakness. if you’re weak, you should be relieved of your responsibilities ... and property
That’s true but what is different about todays’ Russia? Are you saying there are positives established by Putin that are superior to the USSR?
He’s a KGB thug and anti American Russian nationalist... the only differences between the USSR and today’s Russian Federation is scope and style of flag... HELLO!
Putin’s regime is much like what Mussolini did... corporatist nationalism. as with Obama. And they are ALL scum.