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Only sodomite "marriage" may be advanced at Notre Dame?
La Salette Journey ^ | May 1, 2014 | Paul Melanson

Posted on 05/01/2014 7:42:56 AM PDT by cleghornboy

Writing for TFP, Peter Miller reports:

Officials at the University of Notre Dame revoke permission for pro-marriage table, tell young Catholics to “cease and desist” promoting natural marriage on campus.

Sound Bend, Indiana: April 29, 2014 -- Young volunteers with Tradition Family Property Student Action were ordered to “cease and desist” promoting traditional marriage at the University of Notre Dame on Friday, April 25. “Permission to have a table had been granted through an officially recognized on-campus student group,” said TFP Student Action director John Ritchie. “But that permission was revoked for some odd reason. Police officers arrived soon after we started giving out pro-family literature and cut the event short, informing us that we were no longer welcome to talk to students about the importance of preserving the sanctity of marriage between 1 man and 1 woman, which fully agrees with 2,000 years of Catholic teaching,” Ritchie explained.

The TFP handout, 10 Reasons Why Same-Sex “Marriage” is Harmful and Must Be Opposed, was being warmly received by students and faculty members alike. However, several pro-homosexual students ripped up the flier, shouted obscenities, and expressed their desire to deprive the pro-true marriage volunteers of their right to free speech.

“I’m still trying to fully understand why the event was shut down,” said Ritchie. “I was hoping to find a more supportive environment for the Catholic position on marriage. But instead, Notre Dame police officers told us that we only had proper permission to have a table – but that nobody was allowed to actually man the table, which was the whole point of having a table in the first place. How can a table man itself? So we were forced to leave.”

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1 posted on 05/01/2014 7:42:56 AM PDT by cleghornboy
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To: cleghornboy

insanity


2 posted on 05/01/2014 7:44:52 AM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans!)
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To: cleghornboy

They should turn around and say that gay marriage cannot be promoted too, on those same grounds


3 posted on 05/01/2014 7:47:10 AM PDT by Mr. K (If you like your constitution, you can keep it...Period. PALIN/CRUZ 2016)
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To: cleghornboy

Does Norte Dame get ANY financial support from the Catholic Church these days? If so, things have dropped even further than I thought. If not, then they should change the name of the institution.


4 posted on 05/01/2014 7:53:57 AM PDT by Pecos (The Chicago Way: Kill the Constitution, one step at a time.)
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To: cleghornboy

Same old story here....a few troublemakers stirring up problems for everyone else.


5 posted on 05/01/2014 8:03:26 AM PDT by oldtech
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To: cleghornboy

Another example of Catholic schizophrenia.


6 posted on 05/01/2014 8:03:51 AM PDT by Dutchboy88
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To: cleghornboy

It is time to take this to one of the lawyer groups that have been quite successful in defending matters of life and the family. The board members of ND should be sued, based on the school’s premise for becoming an institution of higher learning. It is certainly NOT adhering to those lofty and righteous ideals. It is well past time to take the issue to the public and force debate on the issue.


7 posted on 05/01/2014 8:11:10 AM PDT by Shery (in APO Land)
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To: cleghornboy

"BRAVO!"


8 posted on 05/01/2014 8:13:56 AM PDT by Jeff Chandler (Obamacare: You can't make an omelette without breaking a few eggs.)
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To: cleghornboy

Need we more proof that freedom cannot exit under the tyranny of sodomites and those who approve of their abominations?


9 posted on 05/01/2014 8:27:10 AM PDT by nonsporting
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To: cleghornboy
"Tradition Family Property Student Association"

I know this is an aside, but what kind of name is that? What is it supposed to mean?
10 posted on 05/01/2014 8:32:15 AM PDT by Steve_Seattle
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To: GeronL
Or craven stupidity! Dean Manion, the former Dean of the Notre Dame Law School, and a stalwart Conservative from the middle of the last Century, must be spinning in his grave.

I wonder whether the Dean's son & daughter are still active in the battle to keep Indiana Conservative. Does anyone know?

William Flax

11 posted on 05/01/2014 8:32:30 AM PDT by Ohioan
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To: oldtech
"Same old story here....a few troublemakers stirring up problems for everyone else."

It's not a few troublemakers. Pro-gay sentiment is rampant in the Catholic Church, especially in the schools and colleges.
12 posted on 05/01/2014 8:33:42 AM PDT by Steve_Seattle
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To: cleghornboy

The Pope repeatedly breaks Commandments 8,9 & 10. He’s an inspiration for these young Catholics.


13 posted on 05/01/2014 8:46:41 AM PDT by onedoug
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To: Mrs. Don-o; Salvation

How can the pope continue to allow Notre Dame to call itself Catholic?


14 posted on 05/01/2014 9:08:20 AM PDT by Albion Wilde ("The commenters are plenty but the thinkers are few." -- Walid Shoebat)
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To: Pecos; cleghornboy
No, they are separately incorporated, and are financed by students, alumni/corporate donors, and some public funding (onds, student loans), like other private colleges. No direct financial tie (and, unfortunately, no DIRECT governance tie) to the Catholic Church -— although if they are notably anti-Catholic, the Bishop can deprive them of the right to put themselves forward as a Catholic institution. In other words, they lose the formal use of the descriptor word “Catholic”.

And there's no copyright or trademark issues, so that's not even enforceable.

ND has been pushing, pushing, pushing the limit for decades. I do wonder what they could possibly do, at this point, to be considered definitively “over the line”. Maybe crucify somebody?

We went all over this in 2009 when they decided to give the honorary doctorate to the Obamunist. Besieged "trustees" and "fellows", Bishop of South Bend, head of the CSC's in Rome, etc. etc.

Nada.

A truly ugly, hideous situation. But those who know the history, know that it was basically lost way back in 1967, when most of the Catholic colleges and universities in the U.S. signed the "Land o' Lakes Declaration" asserting their independence from Church governance, and the bishops essentially ran up the white flag and said, "Oh well, it's a new day..."

But there's still a faithful remnant. Thank God for the TFP's. Fr. Norm Weslin, pray for us.

15 posted on 05/01/2014 9:11:52 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("Faith with love is the faith of Christians; without love, it is the faith of demons." - Ven. Bede)
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To: Dutchboy88

...or liberal university monomania.


16 posted on 05/01/2014 9:14:16 AM PDT by relictele (Principiis obsta & Finem respice - Resist The Beginnings & Consider The End)
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To: Steve_Seattle
TFP ("Tradition, Family, Property") is a revanchist political/social/religious movement founded in 1960 to push back Marxism in Brazil. (Generally described by their opponents as "fascists".) They now have national arms in, I don't know, maybe a dozen countries.

This would be their American, Student branch.

17 posted on 05/01/2014 9:17:46 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("Faith with love is the faith of Christians; without love, it is the faith of demons." - Ven. Bede)
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To: Albion Wilde
It's not up to the Pope. It's up to the Bishop of South Bend/Ft. Wayne, IN, the Most Reverend Kevin C. Rhoades.

Otherwise, see mine at #15.

18 posted on 05/01/2014 9:20:44 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("Faith with love is the faith of Christians; without love, it is the faith of demons." - Ven. Bede)
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To: cleghornboy

Are we allowed to say the word “Sodomite” any more? I wonder what the criminal penalty will be?


19 posted on 05/01/2014 9:24:37 AM PDT by The Public Eye
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To: Mrs. Don-o

Thank you for your informative post. I am one of the many befuddled non-Cathloic-but-Christian parents who sent their offspring to an ostensibly Catholic university only to get a facefull of “sex positive”, radical feminism, “sexiling” in the co-ed dorms and related offenses to conscience. Saddened by the perceived bait-and-switch.


20 posted on 05/01/2014 9:46:43 AM PDT by Albion Wilde ("The commenters are plenty but the thinkers are few." -- Walid Shoebat)
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To: Dutchboy88

Too many Catholic universities are party schools and sports schools - Boston College, Notre Dame, Villanova, Seton Hall. Then there are smaller ones run by radical nuns.

Parents and students who really want a Catholic education would do better in most cases to save their money and go to a public university with a serious Catholic students organization.


21 posted on 05/01/2014 9:46:52 AM PDT by heartwood
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To: Steve_Seattle
"Tradition Family Property Student Association" I know this is an aside, but what kind of name is that? What is it supposed to mean?

It is comma-free; but common sense implies that it is for people who support tradition, family and private ownership of property -- all things the socialists want to destroy.

22 posted on 05/01/2014 9:48:03 AM PDT by Albion Wilde ("The commenters are plenty but the thinkers are few." -- Walid Shoebat)
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To: Albion Wilde
I am shamefaced and angry that such a thing would befall you, Albion, and your family, as well as many, many others.

Yes, it is "bait-and-switch." Yes, it is consumer fraud. Yes, it is an offensive stench in the nostrils of Almighty God.

As for my family, we hadn't the money to put our sons in one of the "really" Catholic institution of higher learning --- the dozen or so little colleges which are, shall we say, confessionally Catholic --- and certainly would not consider one of the big, endowed apostate Universities like ND. From the viewpoint of the Faith, it would be much better to go to a State University. There, at least, you're not left mired in corrupting ambiguity. You know where your allies are, and where your enemies.

23 posted on 05/01/2014 10:14:38 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("Stand fast and hold the traditions which you have learned, whether by word, or by our epistle.")
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To: Mrs. Don-o
I'm most certainly not holding it against any of my Catholic friends, my Friend! But I think that, along with the rest of the sex scandals, the bishops could do a better job with those so-called universities.

I am also troubled by Sunday's installation to sainthood of the Bishop of Rome who allowed the sex scandals to flourish under his nose. So I'm checking out of my "hopeful" phase over Pope Francis now, and will be content to be a lapsed CathoProt for the rest of my life. The only thing I can hope for now is an individual congregation somewhere that has not yet given up the race. I'm as done with Big Religion as I am with Big Government and Big Business.

24 posted on 05/01/2014 11:34:41 AM PDT by Albion Wilde ("The commenters are plenty but the thinkers are few." -- Walid Shoebat)
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To: Albion Wilde
My best understanding of JP2 is that he was responsible for poor administration and oversight, but not of knowing cover-up or negligence of the morally corrupt sort.

I see it this way: Karol Wojtyla's deep background was with the Polish Church in resistance during the Nazi and Communist eras. In both eras, the State was continually trying to destroy the Church's moral authority by multiplying scurrilous rumors, false charges, and bogus prosecutions against clergy (they did this A LOT). Many of the Polish priests and bishops in JP's formative years were indisputably heroic. That's the vision embedded in him: that of the heroic priesthood.

Later on, he was reflexively and strongly skeptical of moral accusations against prominent priests, especially originating in places were the Church was under attack. He trusted "holy priests." He didn't trust the prosecutors or the press.

This was a serious, serious error. It's particularly sickening in, for instance, the case of Fr. Marcial Maciel, where the pervy-priest was a founder of a religious order that was (ostensibly) very vigorous, very orthodox, very rich in vocations and in the spread of the Gospel. All that "virtue," plus Maciel was a sociopath (overworked word, I know) --- a guy who was devilishly adept at living a double life while appearing astute, humble, holy: a master manipulator, a charmer and deceiver, as so many of the sex offenders are.

A person isn't canonized for having no blind spots, no weaknesses, or even for being a good administrator or a charismatic personality. He's canonized in recognition of heroic virtue which makes him an example to the faithful. I think Pope John Paul had that virtue, which we do well to study and imitate.

But you can go to hell by imitating the faults of the saints.

25 posted on 05/01/2014 11:56:40 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("I set before you this day Life and Death, a Blessing and a Curse. Therefore choose LIfe.....")
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To: cleghornboy
RE :”The TFP handout, 10 Reasons Why Same-Sex “Marriage” is Harmful and Must Be Opposed, was being warmly received by students and faculty members alike. However, several pro-homosexual students ripped up the flier, shouted obscenities, and expressed their desire to deprive the pro-true marriage volunteers of their right to free speech. “

Arguing against same sex marriage is now considered equivalent to using the N word, no its worse.

Free speech as long as it agrees with them.

26 posted on 05/01/2014 12:03:28 PM PDT by sickoflibs (Obama : 'You can keep your doctor if you want. I never tell a lie ')
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To: cleghornboy
THIS is why I will never watch a Notre Dame game unless I'm sure they will lose. When they gave Obama an honorary JD and arrested those praying the rosary while they did so, I sent Father Jenkins my ND hat and thirty silver dimes - sent it so someone had to sign for it as well. Unfortunately ND is typical of “Catholic” colleges as most are fakes. Those interested can find a list of Catholic Catholic colleges on line. You won't recognize most of them. The ones you've heard of are poisoned now.
27 posted on 05/01/2014 2:02:33 PM PDT by jmaroneps37 (Conservatism is truth. Liberalism is lies.)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

As usual, a most astute post. I will take your words to heart and continue thinking about these issues. Thank you, Mrs. Don-o.


28 posted on 05/01/2014 8:02:43 PM PDT by Albion Wilde ("The commenters are plenty but the thinkers are few." -- Walid Shoebat)
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