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MI:"Progressives" Deplore Chief Craig of Detroit Encouraging Self Defense
Gun Watch ^ | 1 May, 2014 | Dean Weingarten

Posted on 05/02/2014 4:06:11 AM PDT by marktwain


Justified defensive shootings are fairly common  in Detroit, with 12 justifiable homicides occurring this year and several other criminals wounded.  Police Chief Craig has made national headlines by encouraging honest citizens to defend themselves.  He has made it  clear that citizens involved in self defense shootings will not be harassed and hounded.   The full power of the state will not be used make examples of those who dare to defend themselves.   At least not in the way the George Zimmerman was.

Instead, the police Chief will sympathize with them, and suggest that Detroiters are sick of crime and are fighting back. Some people think this is a bad idea.

Here are a couple of quotes from detroitnews.com:

At last week’s Command Accountability Meeting, Sandra Hines of the Detroit Coalition Against Police Brutality called the chief “irresponsible” for his comments, and said he is encouraging vigilantism.

Ron Scott, a former member of the Black Panther Party, a Community organizer/activist, and also a member of the DCAPB:
“When you take a Wild West approach and say, ‘Shoot them,’ it’s irresponsible,” Scott said. “It’s frontier justice at its worst.”
Craig actually said nothing of the sort. Craig defended his views:
“I’m only talking about situations where someone’s life is in imminent danger. When a citizen is faced with a life-threatening situation, they absolutely have the right to defend themselves.”
What is particularly interesting are the views expressed by those who bother to comment. When I checked the article there were 251 comments. I only found one commenter that seemed to be somewhat critical of Chief Craig. Even then, of the two of her comments that I saw, one was neutral, and the one quoted below is rather ambiguous. From Heidi Ausgood:


La Shanna I didn't even bother to read the article...why? They do want us to exterminate one another. The plan is to regulate all these people to one side of town and have them prey on one another.

People are starting to shoot one another and alleging home invasion. What happen to the story a week ago about the young man and woman who allegedly tried to break in a man home and he killed the young man. Only to have his mother say on camera he had been hiding from this couple for weeks.

The most poignant pieces I heard was the young sister's door who was stolen. She said "I understand it is hard". Don't get me wrong I am not advocating people not protecting themselves. But let come up with some ideas to create revenue streams in our communities. We are facebook friends in-box I have some ideas.

The vast majority of the comments are explicitly praising Chief Craig. Here are some examples:
From Pam Csfari: Chief Craig, respectfully, YOU ROCK!

From Michael Morelli: Blame him? We should be congratulating him for showing some common sense. People feel threatened and protect themselves, and that is somehow a bad thing? Unfortunately, in the minds of idiots the answer is yes.

From Rick W. Sutliff: Chief Craig is trying to deal with a lawless city that has run wild for 30 years. The armed homeowners are just exterminating vermin that got in their homes. A good thing.

From Mel Walters: Doing a super job chief Craig and NO there's NO way you can even share blame. Law abiding homeowners had had enough of the feral thugs roaming the streets.

I could keep going. There are scores of similar comments. But I think the point is made. In spite of being told that Chief Craig is encouraging vigilantism, the commenters simply do not believe it. Some of them even wish there were some actual vigilantism.
I believe Chief Craig's job is secure. Perhaps other city police chiefs with crime problems are looking at this situation. We will see if crime drops in the next year or two. I am not sure it will or will not. Detroit's problems have been building for decades. But I suspect that the vast majority of people in the city appreciate a police chief that they believe is on their side when it counts.


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Chief Craig is quite popular in Detroit.
1 posted on 05/02/2014 4:06:11 AM PDT by marktwain
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To: marktwain

Does Chief Craig have a first name?


2 posted on 05/02/2014 4:10:17 AM PDT by Dr. Sivana ("I'm a Contra" -- President Ronald Reagan)
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To: Springman; cyclotic; netmilsmom; RatsDawg; PGalt; FreedomHammer; queenkathy; madison10; ...
We gotta do something about the self defense "problem".

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Michigan legislative action thread
3 posted on 05/02/2014 4:11:03 AM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin.)
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To: marktwain
Oh boy....

Imagine if Gun Manufacturer from NY or CT left those Progressive Utopia's to open a plant in Detwaa to make a self defense rifle and called the Rifle: "Detroit Muscle"...

It would be a get out the Visqueen moment greater than Gallagher with a Watermelon as their collective political heads would explode :-)...

4 posted on 05/02/2014 4:13:14 AM PDT by taildragger (The E-GOP won't know what hit them, The Party of Reagan is almost here, hang tight folks....)
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To: marktwain
Rick Ector's blog. At the open carry event at the capitol the other day Ector ran into a state senator representing Detroit and the senator says we need to do something about Detroit's justified Homicide "problem".

Legally armed in Detroit
5 posted on 05/02/2014 4:14:35 AM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin.)
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To: taildragger

Detroit gun works.

http://www.detroitgunworks.com/

Unfortunately Rick Snyder is really more left moderate and no fan of anything but tech and green energy. Still I take it upon myself to invite gun manufacturers to gun friendly Michigan.


6 posted on 05/02/2014 4:17:39 AM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin.)
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To: marktwain

Defensive shooting in Detroit on Tuesday.

http://www.detroitgunworks.com/


7 posted on 05/02/2014 4:20:51 AM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin.)
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To: marktwain
We will see if crime drops in the next year or two

I'm not sure we will but we MAY see a drop in the numbers of victims......

8 posted on 05/02/2014 4:23:00 AM PDT by Hot Tabasco (Under Reagan spring always arrived on time.....)
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To: Dr. Sivana

“Does Chief Craig have a first name?”

I think his first name is List, or perhaps that was the last?


9 posted on 05/02/2014 4:26:06 AM PDT by Beagle8U (Unions are an Affirmative Action program for Slackers! .)
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To: Hot Tabasco

According to the last FBI stats I saw violent crime in Detroit was down 13% in 2013 and murder down 7% in 2013.


10 posted on 05/02/2014 4:26:18 AM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin.)
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To: Dr. Sivana

James Craig.


11 posted on 05/02/2014 4:26:46 AM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin.)
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To: Dr. Sivana
Detroit Police Stand with Citizens Who Are Using Guns for Self-Defense

Detroit police chief: Armed citizens can make city safer
12 posted on 05/02/2014 4:34:56 AM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin.)
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To: marktwain
Ron Scott, a former member of the Black Panther Party, a Community organizer/activist, and also a member of the DCAPB: “When you take a Wild West approach and say, ‘Shoot them,’ it’s irresponsible,” Scott said. “It’s frontier justice at its worst.”

Yeah! How dare those people try to defend themselves, their loved-ones, and their property! We are entitled! We should have free and safe access to whatever we want!...

Does that even need a sarcasm tag?

13 posted on 05/02/2014 5:03:56 AM PDT by ThunderSleeps (Stop obarma now! Stop the hussein - insane agenda!)
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To: taildragger

You just described the resurrection of Detroit. The Phoenix from the flames.

Start with a “tax free zone”, continue the clearing of blight with the open space program. Invite US gun and ammunition manufacturers to the city. And make it work!

I would have to buy a “Detroit muscle” self defense rifle just because I love Michigan. (As long as it took normal capacity 30 round mags, pistol grip and muzzle brake/flash hider)

Now if we could just confine all liberals to within the Ann Arbor city limits...


14 posted on 05/02/2014 5:09:52 AM PDT by Wildbill22 (They have us surrounded again, the poor bastards- Gen Creighton Williams Abrams)
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To: cripplecreek; marktwain

Thanks for the ping; post. HOORAY Chief Craig, Detroit police and armed citizens.

Good news for Detroit, good news for Michigan.

live - free - Detroit (now that government on the safety/gun level is not an obstacle to your freedom)

Watch out for the other criminals, con-men, collectivists, socialists, some with hands already in your pocket, on your life, who do not brandish a weapon.


15 posted on 05/02/2014 5:16:34 AM PDT by PGalt
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To: PGalt
Detroit has its obvious problems but if I had to live in a city I would easily choose Detroit over most based on some of the basic freedoms. There is no one in Detroit telling you what to eat or drink, what to drive, if I can smoke.....

Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience.

-CS Lewis
16 posted on 05/02/2014 5:25:28 AM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin.)
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To: Wildbill22
with the open space program

Great post WB...

BTW, we have no rockets today, go here:

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-05-01/pentagon-admits-no-solution-replace-russian-rockets-launch-us-military-satellites

Given we have the highest concentration of inganeers in the US in the greater Metro Detroit area, a space program in Detwaa is a winner, winner chicken diner IMHO. Other than the weather of course...

17 posted on 05/02/2014 5:52:49 AM PDT by taildragger (The E-GOP won't know what hit them, The Party of Reagan is almost here, hang tight folks....)
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To: marktwain
"Progressives" can't tell the difference between "vigilantism" and "self-defense". At least they say that they can't.

Notice, though, how many of those that want, say gun control, may own one themselves, because they "need" it for self-protection.>P? Just one famous example, Carl Rowan. From his Wikipedia entry.

Rowan gained public notoriety on June 14, 1988, when he shot an unarmed teenage trespasser, Neil Smith, who was on his property illegally. "The interloper was a near-naked teenager who had been skinny-dipping with friends in Rowan's pool, and the columnist's weapon was an unregistered, and thus illegal, .22 caliber pistol."

From People Magazine: "When Rowan heard the police arrive, he stepped outside to let them in. It was then, he says, that he was confronted by "a tall man who was smoking something that I absolutely was sure was marijuana." Rowan says he repeatedly warned the intruder that he was armed and would shoot. "My first words were: 'Freeze! Stay where you are!' " says Rowan. "Then I said, 'I have a gun.' " Rowan says the man kept coming and that he finally felt forced to shoot in self-defense. He says he aimed at the intruder's feet but hit him in the wrist when the man lunged forward.

The intruder, Chevy Chase, Md., teenager Benjamin Smith, 18, tells a different story. "I was in my underwear," he told a radio interviewer. "I just climbed out of the pool. It was pretty innocent. I never spoke with him. He just shot me and closed the door and went back hiding in his house. I mean, I guess I was trespassing. But that's no reason to shoot a person, is it? For swimming in their pool?" "

Rowan was charged for firing a gun that he did not legally own. Rowan was arrested and tried. During the trial, he argued that he had the right to use whatever means necessary to protect himself and his family. He also said the pistol he used was exempt from the District's handgun prohibition law because it belonged to his older son, a former FBI agent. He was called out for hypocrisy, since Rowan was a strict gun control advocate. In a 1981 column, he advocated "a law that says anyone found in possession of a handgun except a legitimate officer of the law goes to jail—period."

There have been many others

18 posted on 05/02/2014 6:25:15 AM PDT by chesley
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To: taildragger

Well, I was referring to the program in Detroit where clearing of derelict abandoned buildings frees up the maintenance of infrastructure costs. However I would welcome any new industry to Detroit other than illegal drugs and liquor stores.

Detroit has a long way to go. 60 years of socialistic corrupt democrat rule has ruined what was once the shining city on the hill, the industrialized future for the world to copy. Now a ruins of a great city of industry, and a great city, the bulldozer seems necessary before there can even be hope within the city limits.
Yes a long way to go.


19 posted on 05/02/2014 6:40:48 AM PDT by Wildbill22 (They have us surrounded again, the poor bastards- Gen Creighton Williams Abrams)
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To: cripplecreek
I had to move here 2.5 yrs ago and was not keen on the idea. I thought this was going to be a liberal's paradise, a nanny state and a prog hell. I have found, however, these assumptions were just that, assumptions. Michigan is pretty free. If we could just lose the Unions and keep the libs in Ann Arbor penned up...
20 posted on 05/02/2014 8:42:54 AM PDT by Mathews (Ecclesiastes 10:2 (NIV), Luke 22:36 (NIV))
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To: Mathews

Its a great town for sports.


21 posted on 05/02/2014 8:52:35 AM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin.)
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