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REX: Carl Bildt thinks Eastern Orthodoxy is main threat to western civilisation
Focus News Agency ^ | 5/4/2014 | Staff Writers

Posted on 05/05/2014 1:07:56 PM PDT by wonkowasright

Stockholm. Carl Bildt, Sweden’s Minister for Foreign Affairs and one of the architects of the EU Eastern policy, thinks Russia has changed for the worse in the past several years. While it demonstrated attachment to western values in the first decade after the Soviet Union fell apart and tried to impose them on its citizens, Russia’s current leadership takes a firm stand against the West, the Russian agency REX reported.

In the words of Mr Bildt, Vladimir Putin demonstrates attachment not to world but to Eastern Orthodox values, which becomes clear from a Twitter post of his [Bildt’s]. ”The new anti-west and anti-decadent line [of conduct] of Putin is based on the deep conservatism of Eastern Orthodox ideas,” Carl Bildt is convinced.

The Swedish minister explains the striving to destroy the Ukrainian church and bring the Ukrainian autocephaly back into the fold of the Moscow Patriarchate with Putin’s striving to gain control over Ukraine. But precisely Eastern Orthodoxy, according to Bildt, is the main threat to western civilisation.


TOPICS: Government; Religion; Society
KEYWORDS: eu; orthodox; putin; west
Not familiar with this source but an Orthodox friend of mine sent me the link so thought I'd post.

There is no doubt truth to this. The disturbing part is the extent to which what is called "world values" are different .......

The questions over who controls which branch of Orthodox, Russia or Ukraine is not so big a deal as Orthodox is generally controlled by the ruling government. The deeper question is who winds up ruling the Ukraine.

1 posted on 05/05/2014 1:07:57 PM PDT by wonkowasright
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To: wonkowasright

If we consider Western Civilization as it is today its moral relativistic, post-Christian form, Eastern Orthodoxy would be more than a small step up.


2 posted on 05/05/2014 1:12:40 PM PDT by Dr. Sivana ("I'm a Contra" -- President Ronald Reagan)
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To: wonkowasright
The real threats are these elitist oligarchs suffering from delusions of godhood.
3 posted on 05/05/2014 1:12:52 PM PDT by nomad
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To: Dr. Sivana

I’d have to agree, though I doubt Putin is Orthodox-anything.


4 posted on 05/05/2014 1:14:56 PM PDT by darkangel82
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To: Dr. Sivana

Indeed. And on on that values front there are those truly frightened if East and West were to, through a miracle, reunite when Pope Francis and Patriarch Bartholomew meet or in following time.

That cannot be discounted as a motive for those in the West who are trying their best to foment a crisis.


5 posted on 05/05/2014 1:15:51 PM PDT by wonkowasright (Wonko from outside the asylum)
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To: wonkowasright
“World values” probably include pederasty, homosexual proselytization, illicit drugs, etc?
6 posted on 05/05/2014 1:18:32 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (I will raise $2M for Cruz and/or Palin's next run, what will you do?)
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To: darkangel82

He may be phony as any political type, but under Putin in Russia you can :

1. Pray in school
2. Reinstall the religious images where they were removed.
3. Churches are being built by the boat load
4. etc.

While non orthodox branches of the faith are having some headwinds, Christianity is resurging in a land that in my lifetime was still repressing all forms.


7 posted on 05/05/2014 1:18:40 PM PDT by wonkowasright (Wonko from outside the asylum)
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To: Dr. Sivana

Amen!


8 posted on 05/05/2014 1:22:14 PM PDT by pgkdan
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To: wonkowasright

This is a silly analysis (that of this fellow Bildt).
There is no ideological component to Putins actions.
He and his government are plainly and simply after power, uncomplicated by any higher ideals.
To the extent the Russian media invokes “values” its just propaganda chatter.
Now, it may be that Bildt et al are themselves trying to create propaganda chatter, to rile up the socialist/libertine population of Europe.
To a degree this conflict is one of two amoral groups (Russian and European leadership) with no fixed principles or beliefs, pretending to have them for tactical purposes.

Caught in the middle are the Ukrainians, or most of them, who have a definite preference for self-determination.


9 posted on 05/05/2014 1:25:06 PM PDT by buwaya
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To: wonkowasright

As I noted on the earlier thread on this, Bildt did not say this. I’m amazed at how much credence Freepers give to a story that originated on a Russian “news” site.


10 posted on 05/05/2014 1:26:18 PM PDT by GrootheWanderer
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To: wonkowasright

Putin could easily do all this without threatening anyone else.

Part of this is a deliberate revival of Russian nationalism. An integral part of Russian nationalism is the Russian religion and its church. In itself thats not a bad thing, neither the nationalism nor the religious part of it.

The problem is that its being put to cynical and unworthy uses.


11 posted on 05/05/2014 1:28:41 PM PDT by buwaya
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To: GrootheWanderer

“Not familiar with this source” ergo lets discuss not just rant because it might be a biased source.

Heck I’ve seen folks post from CNN and NYT too....


12 posted on 05/05/2014 1:30:34 PM PDT by wonkowasright (Wonko from outside the asylum)
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To: wonkowasright

I’m very familiar with the source of this story. I also know what Bildt really tweeted. Here’s a link. Notice the difference between what he actually said and the quote in the article.

https://twitter.com/carlbildt/status/448069450437513216


13 posted on 05/05/2014 1:36:10 PM PDT by GrootheWanderer
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To: GrootheWanderer

The article was commenting on more than the tweet.


14 posted on 05/05/2014 1:38:52 PM PDT by wonkowasright (Wonko from outside the asylum)
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To: wonkowasright

The article sites as its source Rex, which it describes as “the Russian agency.” Can you find a source for this supposed outburst that doesn’t site that as its source?


15 posted on 05/05/2014 1:40:24 PM PDT by GrootheWanderer
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To: GrootheWanderer

“The Swedish minister explains the striving to destroy the Ukrainian church and bring the Ukrainian autocephaly back into the fold of the Moscow Patriarchate with Putin’s striving to gain control over Ukraine. But precisely Eastern Orthodoxy, according to Bildt, is the main threat to western civilisation.”

Are you really doubting any of that ?


16 posted on 05/05/2014 1:56:51 PM PDT by wonkowasright (Wonko from outside the asylum)
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To: wonkowasright

Do you have a source for that other than the Russian version of Infowars?


17 posted on 05/05/2014 1:59:28 PM PDT by GrootheWanderer
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To: wonkowasright

-In the words of Mr Bildt, Vladimir Putin demonstrates attachment not to world but to Eastern Orthodox values, which becomes clear from a Twitter post of his [Bildt’s]. ”The new anti-west and anti-decadent line [of conduct] of Putin is based on the deep conservatism of Eastern Orthodox ideas,” Carl Bildt is convinced.-

So, in effect “how dare they challenge our decadence!”


18 posted on 05/05/2014 2:00:51 PM PDT by Viennacon
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To: GrootheWanderer

I’m sure you can find another source for that part, russia trying to gain control of the ukraine.


19 posted on 05/05/2014 2:13:40 PM PDT by wonkowasright (Wonko from outside the asylum)
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To: wonkowasright

If “western values” are what is being pushed down our throats by Obama, I am seriously ambivalent.


20 posted on 05/05/2014 2:28:46 PM PDT by dangerdoc
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To: wonkowasright

The other issue is the Ukrainian Catholic Church, which the Soviets tried to suppress. I don’t think Putin recognizes it either. There were some reports of harassment right after the Russian invasion of Crimea but haven’t heard anything lately. It won’t be good for Ukrainian Catholics if part or all of Ukraine is re-annexed by Russia.


21 posted on 05/05/2014 3:59:10 PM PDT by Verginius Rufus
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To: wonkowasright

~He may be phony as any political type, but under Putin in Russia you can :

1. Pray in school
2. Reinstall the religious images where they were removed.
3. Churches are being built by the boat load
4. etc.

While non orthodox branches of the faith are having some headwinds, Christianity is resurging in a land that in my lifetime was still repressing all forms~

It seems to me that you got it right.
In Sweden it is illegal for kids in kindergarden to use terms like ‘he’ or ‘she’ and they are indoctrinating them to accept buggery via fairy tales about animal characters engaging in homosexual acts. They teach kids to report if their parents said something non-political correct at home.
I think this guy was about to say it is a Christianity in general which is a threat to ‘western civilization’ like that but decided it is too radical for now. Yet, they all love and embrace islam, despite the fact that muslims make some 10% population and at the same responsible for 90% rapes and way other half of the rest of violent crimes.
Yet, if a muslim Chechen caught commiting a crime, he is reported as Russian ordthodox mafia there.


22 posted on 05/05/2014 6:02:13 PM PDT by wetphoenix
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