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Deadly VA Healthcare Fraud The Model And Future Of Obamacare
Coach is Right ^ | May 10, 2014 | Jim Emerson, staff writer

Posted on 05/10/2014 8:01:26 AM PDT by darkwing104

VA Cover-up

This week the House Veteran’s Affairs Committee unanimously voted to subpoena all emails and documents from Department of Veteran’s Affairs (VA) Secretary Eric Shinseki and VA senior leadership. The Committee, headed by Florida Congressmen Jeff Miller (R), has been requesting all documentation pertaining to any “waiting list” abnormalities which are said to have resulted in the deaths of up to 40 Veterans from the Phoenix, AZ Veteran’s Affairs Medical Center.

Background

Committee subpoenas were issued in response to a revelation by Dr. Sam Foote, a retired Department of Veteran’s Affairs doctor, that patients had been placed on an “off record” waiting list in order to make it appear that the VA hospital/clinic in Phoenix had reduced its patient wait times. In case of exceptionally long wait times for referrals and follow ups, patients were either given “off record” appointments or simply had their names removed from the off-line list. More often than not, wait lists were kept in order that patient appointments might be penciled in at later dates, just prior to appointments, making it appear that wait time to see a doctor had been reduced. It’s a practice which lead to the death of an unknown number of patients nationwide. As it stands, the American public are only aware of the Phoenix deaths.

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TOPICS: Government; Military/Veterans
KEYWORDS: obamacarefuture; phoenix; va; vascandals
Make no mistake. The ugly secret behind the “wait list” is that it is a form of health care rationing used by government bureaucrats to make themselves look efficient. Is this corrupt practice unique to the VA? No. Rationing is used in every government controlled healthcare program worldwide. This is the model and future of Obamacare, from which the political elite made certain they would be exempt. They will never be treated at VA hospital.


1 posted on 05/10/2014 8:01:26 AM PDT by darkwing104
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To: darkwing104

In standard economics the phrase, “You get what you pay for” is valid. With government sponsored, government mandated, and government run programs, It’s Not Even Close.


2 posted on 05/10/2014 8:06:19 AM PDT by immadashell (The inmates are running the asylum.)
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To: darkwing104

Maybe we should demand that politicians receive only VA healthcare at taxpayer’s expense, starting with the commander in chief.


3 posted on 05/10/2014 8:11:57 AM PDT by Rusty0604
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To: darkwing104
My understanding of this situation is that more VAH's kept "waiting lists" than the public is aware of. My VAH in Fayetteville, AR has ordered and "audit" to determine if such were true of them. Others will no doubt follow suit.

Time will tell, but IMO Phoenix VAH "waiting list" was but one of many....

4 posted on 05/10/2014 8:13:42 AM PDT by donozark (The voices inside my head may not be real, but they have some good ideas!)
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To: darkwing104; Rusty0604; immadashell; donozark

Do you really think that Obama care is going to be as good as the VA? I think it will make the VA look like the best health care that the richest person alive to day can buy at the best hospitals.

But then, I’ve been known to be a optimistic person.


5 posted on 05/10/2014 8:23:01 AM PDT by GreyFriar ( Spearhead - 3rd Armored Division 75-78 & 83-87)
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To: Rusty0604

“Maybe we should demand that politicians receive only VA healthcare at taxpayer’s expense, starting with the commander in chief.”

Because politicians always do what we demand.

Oh, uh, no, that’s the way it’s supposed to be, but we commoners do what politicians demand in the real world.


6 posted on 05/10/2014 8:26:48 AM PDT by Blue Collar Christian (Vote Democrat. Once you're OK with killing babies the rest is easy. <BCC><)
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To: darkwing104

Simply .gov healthcare. WRAMC was performing poorly for our guys a few years ago, and .gov can’t even properly maintain ANC.


7 posted on 05/10/2014 8:27:20 AM PDT by Theoria (End Socialism : No more GOP and Dem candidates)
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To: darkwing104

Back before ObamaCare’s feckless roll-out, some Democrats were bragging about the government’s wonderful VA system as a talking point to his detractors.
I don’t hear any of that crowing now.


8 posted on 05/10/2014 8:31:16 AM PDT by txrefugee
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To: GreyFriar
But then, I’ve been known to be a optimistic person.

The problem will only get fixed when people are fired and federal unions outlawed. Government services should only hire the best and brightest, not the well connected.


9 posted on 05/10/2014 8:34:32 AM PDT by darkwing104 (Forgive but don't forget)
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To: darkwing104
Deadly VA Healthcare Fraud The Model And Future Of Obamacare

BINGO!

10 posted on 05/10/2014 8:39:16 AM PDT by PapaNew
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To: immadashell

Been sayin for years. Historically, governments have only done 2 things proficiently, collect taxes and kill people. Do we really want them in charge of healthcare? I think not.


11 posted on 05/10/2014 9:03:43 AM PDT by Dawggie
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To: darkwing104

It is obvious that the Democrats have told the VA executives to stall everything so that the Democrats can use that money to buy votes.


12 posted on 05/10/2014 9:11:41 AM PDT by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: darkwing104

Every Veteran should notify his/her congressman by phone & in writing every time they are made to wait for any VA service. And notify the local news (paper & TV) and follow up daily. America MUST be made aware of this tragedy & we can’t wait for Congress to move on it.


13 posted on 05/10/2014 9:21:38 AM PDT by Thom Pain (If you like your country you can keep it. Period.)
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To: txrefugee

That is a real good point. One that many, including myself, have forgotten. From my experience, the closer a vet gets to a large urban area, the worse the care...


14 posted on 05/10/2014 9:27:49 AM PDT by donozark (The voices inside my head may not be real, but they have some good ideas!)
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To: Thom Pain
Good idea...


15 posted on 05/10/2014 9:31:18 AM PDT by darkwing104 (Forgive but don't forget)
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To: Thom Pain
Some years ago I enrolled in the VA program. I waited for 2 years before got my first apt. for a physical. I wasn't a case where it was important to get accepted immediately. After being accepted I went annually for my check ups. I was on a cholesterol medication, which they continued for about a year and then they changed the company and I had to take the one thy were presently providing, which I wasn't happy about.

Several years later I was sent to get an echo cardiogram and that came back okay (to a point). Two years after that my Dr. sent me for another echo cardiogram and after trying to get an answer to the results for about 2 weeks, I gave up and figured "no news is good news". Well, about 3 or 4 months later I ended up in the local hospital and had open heart surgery and got a new Aortic valve.

When I finally got back for my annual check up I thought I was in the wrong clinic, I didn't know anyone there and I had a new Dr. assigned to me (the original one was no longer there and no one would tell me what took place in the clinic.) Needless to say I haven't been back. One thing, my first Dr. was one of the best GPs I had ever been to anywhere. I have no idea where she is but I feel certain she is not in the VA system.

16 posted on 05/10/2014 10:54:17 AM PDT by depenzz ("Winning and grinning")
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To: donozark

I no sooner posted #4 when allegations re:San Antonio and Cheyenne VAH “waiting lists” made the wire. Snow balling now.


17 posted on 05/10/2014 12:41:21 PM PDT by donozark (The voices inside my head may not be real, but they have some good ideas!)
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To: depenzz
I would like to apologize to you and all Veterans who have been apparently forgotten, or at least shunted aside by my country. Our Veterans should be at the head of the list and given preferential treatment. You Veterans appear to be the only Patriots left remaining. sigh
18 posted on 05/10/2014 12:41:39 PM PDT by Thom Pain (If you like your country you can keep it. Period.)
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To: darkwing104

Let’s remember that the care received from the VA is healthcare. ObamaCare is about health insurance, not care.

If the news reports about the actions of the Phoenix VA are accurate, then someone should go to jail, not just resign. But I resist in painting the entire VA system with too broad of a brush. I am a veteran and receive my healthcare from the VA facility in Gainesville, FL. It serves north central Florida and southern Georgia. My wife (she is a vet too) and I have received 100% of of our healthcare for the last three years from this facility and it’s healthcare professionals and have nothing but great things to say about them. For urgent needs, there is not any unduly long delay in getting appointments or to be seen and for routine things, we go with the flow and allow the system to work on its own without pressing it. But in either case, the Malcolm Randall VA Hospital here is outstanding in their service and treatment of vets. There may be anecdotal evidence of some delays or poor treatment or cases we have not heard about, but we see no evidence of either from our experience.

I have to say that we are both pleased with our care and treatment and timeliness of our appointments and can’t just condemn all VA facilities for the deficiencies of a few others in the system.


19 posted on 05/10/2014 1:46:00 PM PDT by HotHunt
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To: HotHunt
FYI I am retired from the Air Force and I had a service related problem with my ears, and VA disability. If the tumors weren't removed I would have died. I took me a year to get the surgery and I destroyed a few peoples career, they deserved it, to get the care I needed.

Tricare fixed it. The VA didn't do squat, even tough they recognized as a service related disability. I haven't forgot and never will. This happened in NW Florida.


20 posted on 05/10/2014 4:54:39 PM PDT by darkwing104 (Forgive but don't forget)
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To: darkwing104

FYI some systems are dysfunctional and some are corrupt but others work just fine. It also may depend on your approach. Bullying people and making demands doesn’t usually work no matter how much you think you’re owed something. Maybe if you had lived in Canada or England, you might have died, because there are longer delays for care in some cases in those countries than there are here. But you didn’t. You’re here. And you’re alive. So count your blessings instead of bragging about how you “destroyed a few peoples careers.” It’s not a very endearing trait.


21 posted on 05/10/2014 7:28:39 PM PDT by HotHunt
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To: HotHunt
It also may depend on your approach. Bullying people and making demands doesn’t usually work no matter how much you think you’re owed something.

I was being ignored. Big difference. When the ENT tells me I am going to have a stroke and die at anytime I had to do what I needed to do to live. I dealt with interference and careless disregard but I made even more friends because I never gave up. The folks at UA in Birmingham keep in touch and let me know I can go back there at anytime if I needed.

The people I destroyed were not helping me or anyone else. A Nurse thanked me for getting rid of one person. The idiot had a bad rep and was callous, I wonder how many cancer patients suffered because of him. I found the right person who removed him and other people got the care they needed.

“destroyed a few peoples careers.” It’s not a very endearing trait.

You never had met this person, it needed to be done. I explained to the rep that if this person treated me like this he also treated other patients the same way. My complaint was the last straw. In the sequester their former office was shut down. It took a General to do that, so can tell they weren't very popular.

Anyway I am glad you are happy with your VA experience but this incident turned me into an unofficial patient rep. 1st Shirt Training has gave me the skills to help other folks outside of the military. If you find a good medical facility stay with it. I am happy with the facility that I have. I am concerned about the treatment of my fellow vets, now its time for people to go to jail.


22 posted on 05/10/2014 8:15:26 PM PDT by darkwing104 (Forgive but don't forget)
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