Skip to comments.Confiscated Guns Above Average at South Dakota Government Auction
Posted on 05/11/2014 5:43:35 AM PDT by marktwain
Meade County, South Dakota will be having a surplus property auction on May 13, 2014. While the county sheriff initially opposed auctioning off the guns (he preferred to trade them to a dealer), more fiscally responsible heads prevailed.
The firearms are considerately above the average seen in these type of sales, perhaps because these guns were confiscated in rural South Dakota instead of inner city of Chicago. Or perhaps the guns in the inner city might go through a different "selection" process before making it to a gun sale. From the Rapid City Journal, we have a list of the guns to be sold. Most of them can be seen in the picture above. I have added line feeds to make the list more easily readable.
Beretta, U22 99EOS .22 lr R11793;
Beretta, 92FS Centurion 9 mm BER362486Z;
Browning Abbott,30-06 06094PT717;
Cimarron, Pistolpro .45 colt P28843;
Cobra FS380, .380 FS054432;
Davis Industries D, .32 552253;
Davis Industries Derringer D38, .38 spec. D017834;
Davis Industries EXGAM TA38, .38 spec. L21348;
Glock 23, 0.40 GDZ246;
Glock 36, 0.45 DWN152;
Glock 27, .40 BGL224US; Glock 27, 0.40 HEY462;
High Point C, 9 mm P056589;
High Point JDP, .40 X735162;
HK USP, .40 S&W 22-2476;
Kel-Tec, .380 50496;
Kel-Tec P3AT, .380 JJW63;
Kimber Royal II, .45 ACP K091974;
Kimber Custom CDPII, .45 ACP K108097;
Kimber Custom TLEII, .45 ACP K198550;
Ruger P95, 9mm 318-60093;
Ruger LCP, .380 37179506;
Ruger Security Six, 357 mag. 150-05202;
Ruger P95DC, 9 mm 131-89788;
Ruger Black Hawk, .357 35-25804;
Sig-Sauer SP2009, 9 mm SP0057058;
Smith & Wesson 686, 357 mag. AUB0233;
Smith & Wesson Special Airweight, .38 CAM0488/442-1;
Springfield Armory XD40 Subcompact, .40 US200469;
Stoeger Condor 20 gauge, 243675-10;
Walther PPKLS, 9 mm S137445;
Winchester 1300, 20 gauge L2555431
It is worth noting that there was no discussion of the possibility of destroying these valuable assets, essentially offering them as a sacrifice to the gods of political correctness; or perhaps more accurately, as political theater designed to send the message that guns are bad and should be destroyed.
While guns at police auctions typically bring between $100 to $200 each, I predict that these guns will average between $250 and $350.
Auction winners who do not have a concealed carry permit will have to undergo a background check before taking possession of the firearm purchased.
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What circumstances lead to “confiscation”?
What circumstances lead to confiscation?
I have not been able to find that out in this particular case.
Most sources of “confiscated guns” are:
People turning in guns to police that they inherited and do not want to deal with.
Guns confiscated from people convicted of domestic violence.
Guns taken as evidence during the course of arrests for other offences. It is common to arrest someone for marijuana possession in the home and to confiscate all guns there.
Guns confiscated during citations for infraction of the hunting laws.
Thanks. So at least some the time “confiscated” means “taken by force because we have the force”.
The guns may be above average, but the hosters aren't.
***While guns at police auctions typically bring between $100 to $200 each, I predict that these guns will average between $250 and $350.***
And my experience at auctions is that guns will sell for near new prices. I’ve even seen broken guns sell for more than new! The buying public seems to lose their heads and bid them up as if they will never get one again.
Much better, I see kimbers in there. If a guy could land a Kimber at 350, that’s a steal for the best .45s in the world.
Excellent question. I recently got a speeding ticket from a MS State Trooper - I know I wasn't speeding, but how to prove it when he claims that he picked up your car in a mass of cars with his RADAR. I had just done a sanity check and found I was doing 6o in a 55 so I let up a little but he claims 74 in a 55 - conveniently 1 mph below the level that might make it worth one's while to fight it.
When I got my license out of my wallet, my CCW permit became visible. He asked where my weapon was and I told him it was on my hip (MS doesn't have a law where you have to notify LEOs and I figured the glance at my permit served the purpose. I'll bet dollars to donuts that if I had told him other than that I had my weapon (perhaps wasn't carrying that day) that he would have had my car searched and if he found one anywhere in the vehicle, it would have been confiscated - my wife had hers in her purse).
Can't help but be a bit paranoid these days.
“And my experience at auctions is that guns will sell for near new prices. Ive even seen broken guns sell for more than new! The buying public seems to lose their heads and bid them up as if they will never get one again.”
I agree, but this is a government auction, and I am estimating *average* prices. There are some very inexpensive guns in the mix as well.
A great deal depends on who goes to the auction, which in the middle of the week, inconvenient for most people.
I’ll give $100 each for the Kimbers
I wonder if they have “flush the constitution down the toilet” courses in The Academy.
Most likely it was drug offense, felony possession or concealed without a permit and I am willing to be it was mostly from the cities (Rapid and Sioux Falls).
In my town, guns outnumber people and the sheriff is fine with that (the Swat team uses our school for tactical practice)
Almost worth driving to Rapid to pick up some guns.
Distance becomes a factor, and auctions are unpredictable.
If I were close, I would go.
“What circumstances lead to confiscation? ...
Most sources of confiscated guns are:
... inherited ... domestic violence. ... taken as evidence ... arrests for other offences. ... marijuana possession in the home ... confiscate all guns there. ... infraction of the hunting laws.”
marktwain’s summary isn’t bad.
However, hardly any of those situations apply to South Dakota. Local and state law enforcement are not trumping up charges as a pretext for the confiscation of privately owned firearms. They have better things to do. And the citizenry does not mistrust law enforcement, not to the degree they might in other states.
Meade County is the largest in the State of South Dakota: mountains, plains, suburbs, small towns. It is home to the largest VA Medical Center in the region, half of Ellsworth AFB, and burgeoning bedroom towns, from which residents commute to Rapid City. Gold was once mined in the southwest corner. A prime summer tourist destination for families, the Black Hills crowd into that same southwest corner.
Interstate 90 runs through the county, accelerating the buildup of the second busiest commercial/industrial corridor in the entire state. Agriculture is retreating, industry is moving in. Thanks to quirks in SD property tax law, farms and ranches are being broken up as the older generation dies or retires, and land is rezoned into subdivisions or commercial/industrial.
Sturgis, the Meade County seat, plays host each August to a motorcycle rally of international note; for a few weeks every summer, rally-going visitors boost the statewide population by 50 percent or more.
South Dakota is one of the freest states in the Union for gun ownersship, and has courted gun-industry businesses for decades. Some of the better-known: Black Hills Ammunition, Corbon/Glaser, Dakota Arms, Jack First Inc.
Legalized “shall issue” concealed carry arrived in 1987, on the heels of Florida. Predictably, urbanites in Sioux Falls and Rapid City wailed, and some local law enforcement officials refused to issue permits. Then the Secretary of State announced than any official failing to issue permits in accordance with the new law would be removed; they backed down.
South Dakota has never required training nor “certification” to carry a concealed pistol, but incidents involving permit-holders are insignificant. A state law mandating a 48 hour waiting period for handgun purchase had been in place for generations, but was repealed about a decade ago. “Gun violence” has remained amazingly low.
South Dakotans are a peaceable bunch, infrequently violating State Game, Fish & Parks Dept hunting rules. Sioux Falls and Rapid City see little of the urban crime bedeviling really large cities elsewhere: it’s a rare year when the homicide tally climbs out of the single digits in either “urban area”. Domestic violence is also rare. Sad to say, the American Indian reservations that make up a large chunk of the state’s land area are very different.
Therefore, most guns confiscated find their way into the vaults of the Meade County Sheriffs Dept in these ways:
1. Traffic stops along I-90, typically of vehicles sporting out-of-state plates. Drugs are found; such incidents are not exaggerated, and the perps are not cutesy unoffending libertarians toting a mere gram or two of marijuana, home grown for personal consumption. Dopers or meth-heads - not terribly bright to start with - occasionally get it into their addled brains to move their stash - or product - from one spot to another. They are often armed. And all they possess gets confiscated.
2. Dustups during Sturgis’s rally. Bar fights, street squabbles, fender-bender traffic accidents, and other disputes are never pretty. Often they turn uglier, as bikers are noted for being unruly even sober. Perpetrators frequently carry illegally; many rally-goers are surprisingly well off, so it is not terribly unusual when “minor offenders” are toting a Glock, or even a Kimber.
During the “off season” (the other 50 weeks of each year) Sturgis lapses once again into the sleepy routine of a cow town, but there is always a little trickle of bikers; most are average citizens, but a few misbehave, and some lose their guns to the Meade County Sheriffs Dept.
unfortunately, I am visiting 4mer and his wife in another state this week or I would go.
well said and very accurate. SD isn’t a gun grabbing state by any stretch which is why we moved there from CA a few years ago.
Thanks for your summary. It is likely on the money. A contact that is a retired peace officer suggested that most of the guns might have come from Sturgis.
33 guns for the largest county in the state is not very many.
It also might account for the relatively high quality.
” ... A contact that is a retired peace officer suggested that most of the guns might have come from Sturgis.
33 guns for the largest county in the state is not very many.
It also might account for the relatively high quality.”
Your retired LEO contact likely has a handle on it.
I ought to clarify:
Meade County is South Dakota’s largest in land area, but 49th in population. Daily traffic up and down I-90 is larger than the local population. Pennington County (contains Rapid City) and Minnehaha County (home of Sioux Falls) are second and first in population size, respectively. Each of those two “urban centers” are many times larger than the next largest in the state, but of course scarcely deserve notice, compared to even moderate-size US cities elsewhere. At some 850,000 people in total, SD can barely rival the average NY City neighborhood or Houston suburb.
SD west of the Missouri River is far more thinly populated, home to 1/5 of the total, or less.
Motorcyclists and those who tag along with them to Sturgis are more unruly than average, so they get entangled in more “incidents” than average, which can lead to higher rates of gun confiscation. And - curiously enough - many bikers are pretty well-heeled, so any firearm that might chance to get confiscated from them might be farther up the price scale than average. And higher up the quality scale.
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