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Mark Levin may get his evil wish to convene a Constitutional Convention
5/13/14 | johnwk

Posted on 05/13/2014 5:52:30 AM PDT by JOHN W K

SEE: Did Michigan just trigger 'constitutional convention'? Bid gains steam

In the wake of the vote, California Republican Rep. Duncan Hunter pressed House Speaker John Boehner on Tuesday to determine whether the states just crossed the threshold for this kind of convention. Like Michigan lawmakers, Hunter's interest in the matter stems from a desire to push a balanced-budget amendment -- something that could potentially be done at a constitutional convention.

If Duncan Hunter wants to balance the annual budget, then why does he not “push” for and demand the apportioned direct tax which is in our Constitution be used to extinguish annual deficits as our Founding Fathers intended?

The liars are at it again, pretending their objectives are noble, but their ultimate aim is to convene a convention so those who now hold power at the federal and state level may rewrite our Constitution and make constitutional that which is now unconstitutional.

How is the budget to be balanced? The answer is found in a number of our State Ratification documents which gave birth to our Constitution, for example see: Ratification of the Constitution by the State of New Hampshire

Fourthly That Congress do not lay direct Taxes but when the money arising from Impost, Excise and their other resources are insufficient for the Publick Exigencies; nor then, untill Congress shall have first made a Requisition upon the States, to Assess, Levy, & pay their respective proportions, of such requisitions agreeably to the Census fixed in the said Constitution in such way & manner as the Legislature of the State shall think best and in such Case if any State shall neglect, then Congress may Assess & Levy such States proportion together with the Interest thereon at the rate of six per Cent per Annum from the Time of payment prescribed in such requisition-

For an example of a direct tax being laid by Congress see an Act laying a direct tax for $3 million in which the rule of apportionment is applied and each State’s share is determined.

Did you ever hear Mark Levin inform his listening audience that our founders put the emergency apportioned direct taxing power in the Constitution to be used when imposts, duties, and excise taxes were found insufficient to meet Congress expenditures ? I haven’t. But Mark Levin wants a convention so he can promote his socialist flat tax which he now does with one of his “liberty amendments”.

A flat tax calculated from incomes, even if “flat”, does absolutely nothing to remove the iron fist of our federal government from the necks of America’s hard working productive citizens and business owners.


Hey Mark, does your flat tax end our despotic federal government from arbitrarily deciding what is and what is not taxable income? No! Does your socialist tax on profits gains and other “incomes” end our Washington Establishment’s use of taxation to intentionally seek out America’s productive hard working citizens and transfer the bread they have earned to a dependent voting block who prostitutes their vote for free government cheese? No! Tell us Mark Levin, how about the devastating and slavish manipulations carried out under this socialist tax calculated from incomes? Does your flat tax end that and class warfare? No! Or, would your flat tax end taxation being used as a political weapon to silence, threaten and punish political foes while rewarding the friends of a tyrannical bloated federal government? Heck No! So why are you comfortable with a flat tax which in turn is a component part of a despotic federal government? I know why….you are part of the Washington Establishment which works to defeat the miracle our founding fathers created.

If you were really sincere about supporting our founding fathers Mark, you would be promoting a return to our Constitutions ORIGINAL TAX PLAN as our founders intended it to operate with the following H.J.RESOLUTION:


House/Senate Joint Resolution


Proposing an amendment to the Constitution of the United States to repeal the sixteenth article of amendment and end taxes calculated from profits, gains, salaries and other “incomes”.


Section 1: The sixteenth article of amendment to the Constitution of the United States is hereby repealed.


Section 2: Congress is henceforth forbidden to lay ``any`` tax or burden calculated from profits, gains, interest, salaries, wages, tips, inheritances or any other lawfully realized money.


Section 3: This article shall be inoperative unless it shall have been ratified as an amendment to the Constitution by three fourths of the several States, as provided in the Constitution, within seven years from the date of the submission thereof to the States by the Congress.




JWK


" I believe that there are more instances of the abridgement of the freedom of the people by gradual and silent encroachment of those in power than by violent and sudden usurpations." ___ Madison Elliot`s Debates, vol. III, page 87

 



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1 posted on 05/13/2014 5:52:30 AM PDT by JOHN W K
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To: JOHN W K

Why is this wrong?


2 posted on 05/13/2014 5:54:09 AM PDT by Biggirl (“Go, do not be afraid, and serve”-Pope Francis)
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To: JOHN W K

If liberals hate it, it must be good.

The libtards have been warnign us about a ‘runaway convention’ that would give liberals everything they wanted- but they would be the first ones SCREAMING FOR a convention if that were true.


3 posted on 05/13/2014 5:54:26 AM PDT by Mr. K (If you like your constitution, you can keep it...Period. PALIN/CRUZ 2016)
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To: JOHN W K

No good could possibly come out of this.


4 posted on 05/13/2014 5:54:59 AM PDT by Mathews (Ecclesiastes 10:2 (NIV), Luke 22:36 (NIV))
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To: JOHN W K

And when the CON CON doesn’t work it will be time to convene another Civil War.


5 posted on 05/13/2014 5:55:19 AM PDT by unixfox (Abolish Slavery, Repeal the 16th Amendment)
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To: Biggirl

Because it opens up the bill of rights to be re-written by the left’s own fair hand.


6 posted on 05/13/2014 5:56:46 AM PDT by Wyrd bi ful ard (Pope Calvin the 1st, defacto Leader of the FR Calvinist Protestant Brigades)
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To: JOHN W K

They don’t like constitutional, republican government, i.e. they don’t like the people being involved in their own governance. They like the aristocrats deciding everything.

See my book at the website in my tagline.


7 posted on 05/13/2014 5:57:33 AM PDT by cotton1706 (ThisRepublic.net)
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To: Wyrd bið ful aræd

Not really.


8 posted on 05/13/2014 5:58:00 AM PDT by Biggirl (“Go, do not be afraid, and serve”-Pope Francis)
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To: JOHN W K

Did not Mark Levin write a book not long ago about Constitutional articles?


9 posted on 05/13/2014 5:59:05 AM PDT by Biggirl (“Go, do not be afraid, and serve”-Pope Francis)
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To: JOHN W K

Maybe it’s risky, maybe not, but doing nothing will change nothing.


10 posted on 05/13/2014 6:00:31 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum ("The more numerous the laws, the more corrupt the government." --Tacitus)
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To: JOHN W K

I don’t think what Mr Levin wants is called a constitutional convention. I think it’s called a convention of states. I understand there is a difference.


11 posted on 05/13/2014 6:00:55 AM PDT by woofer2425 (Obama inhales immensely!)
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To: JOHN W K

Its a Convention of the States. From article 5 of the US Constitution. Not “evil”.


12 posted on 05/13/2014 6:01:46 AM PDT by RginTN
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To: unixfox
Article 5 is not a constitutional convention. You can't rewrite the constitution. You can only add amendments. A balanced-budget amendment, for instance. Or an amendment that says that members of Congress cannot exempt themselves from laws they impose upon the peasants.
13 posted on 05/13/2014 6:02:39 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum ("The more numerous the laws, the more corrupt the government." --Tacitus)
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To: JOHN W K
Once again you lie about what is being called for. A Convention of States is not a Constitutional Convention.

/johnny

14 posted on 05/13/2014 6:04:12 AM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: JOHN W K

I honestly do not believe GOP leadership/establishment really want a balance budget amendment. They could simply refuse to vote for increasing the debt ceiling and the balance budget amendment would be enforced right there.

They’re only pretending to support balance budget when its a distant impossibility, but when it might actually happen, they will oppose it


15 posted on 05/13/2014 6:04:43 AM PDT by 4rcane
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To: JRandomFreeper; dcwusmc; Jed Eckert; Recovering Ex-hippie; KingOfVagabonds; Berlin_Freeper; ...

A Convention of States is not a Constitutional Convention.

Article 5 is not a constitutional convention. You can’t rewrite the constitution. You can only add amendments. A balanced-budget amendment, for instance. Or an amendment that says that members of Congress cannot exempt themselves from laws they impose upon the peasants.


16 posted on 05/13/2014 6:05:50 AM PDT by narses (Matthew 7:6. He appears to have made up his mind let him live with the consequences.)
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To: Wyrd bið ful aræd

Correct, Pope Calvin. Does anyone think that any such conventions would be conducted according to rules? The left would show up and psychologically push the Rs into “compromises”. And there would be violence to make sure that the left gets at least part of its way and that everything looks chaotic. If the left loses on anything, they would claim that the Rs “suppressed” votes or somehow “cheated when, in fact, it is always the left that lies, cheats, steals, and assaults. The whole scene would look like a football game in which the Seahawks are playing some girls field hockey team. Apart from that, Levin’s proposals ratify the administrative state, thereby making something evil and unconstitutional constitutional. And who would the R or conservative delegates be? The kind of semi-socialists you find in the RINO party and here?


17 posted on 05/13/2014 6:08:11 AM PDT by achilles2000 ("I'll agree to save the whales as long as we can deport the liberals")
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To: JOHN W K
If you want a Constitutional Republic back you better repeal the 17th as well.
18 posted on 05/13/2014 6:08:27 AM PDT by Rashputin (Jesus Christ doesn't evacuate His troops, He leads them to victory.)
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To: Wyrd bið ful aræd
Because it opens up the bill of rights to be re-written by the left’s own fair hand.

Total BS. You are either ignorant of the truth or a bald-faced liar.

19 posted on 05/13/2014 6:10:30 AM PDT by John Valentine (Deep in the Heart of Texas)
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To: achilles2000
What part of 3/4s of all states must still ratify any amendments do you not understand? The left can't just re-write the bill of rights.

/johnny

20 posted on 05/13/2014 6:11:37 AM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: narses

This is amazing. What Levin has proposed is a convention to propose amendments to the constitution and these people are against allowing any debate on proposing amendments?


21 posted on 05/13/2014 6:11:38 AM PDT by crz
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To: Rashputin
If you want a Constitutional Republic back you better repeal the 17th as well.

You haven't read Levin's book have you? If you had, you would know that is one of the key proposals.

22 posted on 05/13/2014 6:11:47 AM PDT by John Valentine (Deep in the Heart of Texas)
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To: crz
They are outright liars, as the posting history shows.

/johnny

23 posted on 05/13/2014 6:12:29 AM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: JOHN W K

ITS NOT A CON CON. STOP LYING LIKE A GODDAMN LEFTIST


24 posted on 05/13/2014 6:13:41 AM PDT by Crazieman (Are you naive enough to think VOTING will fix this entrenched system?)
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To: RginTN

It’s NOT a “Constitutional Convention” as so many here are conflating it with.

An Article 5 convention of the states does not convene without a specific set of amendments agreed upon beforehand and a restriction that no amendments beyond those will be brought up.


25 posted on 05/13/2014 6:15:03 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: Crazieman

I am so sick of all the people saying it’s a con con. GET EDUCATED!! Isn’t it 1000 per cent better to have a convention of the states than have one maroon of a president with a pen and a phone? He and his administration of dudes and dudettes are destroying our country.


26 posted on 05/13/2014 6:17:58 AM PDT by MomwithHope (Please support efforts in your state for an Article 5 convention.)
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To: JRandomFreeper

In effect, Supreme Court has been doing that for decades. Do we have Freedom of Association anymore?


27 posted on 05/13/2014 6:19:32 AM PDT by PghBaldy (12/14 - 930am -rampage begins... 12/15 - 1030am - Obama's advance team scouts photo-op locations.)
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To: JRandomFreeper

These are the problem. This is why I quit the Birch society back in the day. On the surface, they are constitutional, but then one gets into the creature, and it becomes apparent they are as queer as can be.

They are not the whole problem, but are a part of the whole.


28 posted on 05/13/2014 6:20:03 AM PDT by crz
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To: Wyrd bið ful aræd

What difference does that make? Both parties routinely ignore the Constitution and the Supreme Court justices can’t read plain english. The only thing that will restore our rights is the same thing that gave them.


29 posted on 05/13/2014 6:23:15 AM PDT by freedomfiter2 (Brutal acts of commission and yawning acts of omission both strengthen the hand of the devil.)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
Article 5 is not a constitutional convention. You can't rewrite the constitution. You can only add amendments.

An amendment can also repeal an existing amendment, the way the 21st Amendment repealed the 18th Amendment (prohibition).

30 posted on 05/13/2014 6:23:51 AM PDT by Maceman
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To: MomwithHope

It is strictly constitutional to propose amendments to the constitution. What these bastards are saying is..nobody can propose amendments.

Who the hell made them tyrannical dictators no better than the present occupant of the white house?


31 posted on 05/13/2014 6:26:17 AM PDT by crz
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To: JOHN W K

Don’t due it. Our country started when the first convention tossed the Articles of Confederation. Given the imbeciles in charge today you would not believe what would come out of a convention; i.e. repeal of the Second Amendment; Free medical care for the world, no white male may hold public office. You get the picture.


32 posted on 05/13/2014 6:26:18 AM PDT by AEMILIUS PAULUS (It is a shame that when these people give a riot)
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To: 4rcane

They could simply refuse to vote for increasing the debt ceiling and the balance budget amendment

They will never vote against increasing the debt. This has always been voted on from Reagan through today and never voted down. Too many scary nonsense is being said for it ever to happen.


33 posted on 05/13/2014 6:28:16 AM PDT by napscoordinator (Governor Scott Walker 2016 for the future of the country!)
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To: JOHN W K

[to the author] You’re utterly and willfully ignorant as to what Levin is calling for and he has explained it so many times it’s monotonous at this point. And every armchair reactionary idiot who hasn’t read Levin’s book has further not checked for him/herself that what Levin is calling for is explicitly called for in the Constitution.

The level of non-thought embodied in this screed isn’t worth responding to. You haven’t educated yourself as to what is being proposed.


34 posted on 05/13/2014 6:29:00 AM PDT by Attention Surplus Disorder (At no time was the Obama administration aware of what the Obama administration was doing)
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To: JOHN W K

Your insistence on returning to apportioned taxes from the States is correct.

The federal government was created to manage the affairs of the States as a whole, and not to subjugate them or their citizens directly.

Since the States created the club, they can pay the dues. And collect them from their own members in a way that they will have to answer for...to their neighbors.

Lot harder to send thieves with guns to take money when you live with the people you’re trying to extort.

I know, I know...”The States didn’t write the Constitution, the People did!”.

Convenient dodge. Then why have apportionment written into the document?

Levin’s call for a Convention is an attempt to circumvent the logjam known as the Congress and the Courts. But it comes with incredible risk.

Perhaps better to repeal the offensive amendments placed there by the “Progressive” movement of the late 19th Century. But how to put the Court back in its place? How to end Regulatory delegation and strip the Bureaucracy of it’s arrogated power?

I don’t think there are easy answers.


35 posted on 05/13/2014 6:29:51 AM PDT by Regulator
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To: JOHN W K
His schemes are evil? Do you think Levin is, oh I don't know, SATAN???
36 posted on 05/13/2014 6:32:04 AM PDT by DManA
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To: John Valentine
Sure, but it's not in the article to which these comments respond and therefor needs to be reiterated along with the above about taxation.

I guess you assume everyone has read his book or you'd have added that reiteration yourself, right?

37 posted on 05/13/2014 6:32:40 AM PDT by Rashputin (Jesus Christ doesn't evacuate His troops, He leads them to victory.)
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To: JOHN W K

Then, are you for nullification?


38 posted on 05/13/2014 6:33:45 AM PDT by crz
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To: Attention Surplus Disorder

I think our boy committed what is called a hit and run.


39 posted on 05/13/2014 6:36:43 AM PDT by crz
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To: DManA
Is it his week to be Satan again already?

Wow, the list must have gotten shorter of late. It used to be a couple of months between his turns.

Or maybe he's making inroads into the apathy the democrat fascists count on?

I sure hope it's that he's making inroads in the massive apathy in this country. I can't believe the number of people who have given up and accepted that things will be getting worse year after year.

40 posted on 05/13/2014 6:38:14 AM PDT by Rashputin (Jesus Christ doesn't evacuate His troops, He leads them to victory.)
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To: Regulator
But it comes with incredible risk.

How so?

Any amendments coming out of a Convention of States must still be ratified by three quarters of the States.

/johnny

41 posted on 05/13/2014 6:38:45 AM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: Impy; NFHale; GOPsterinMA; BillyBoy; fieldmarshaldj; JOHN W K
RE :”Did you ever hear Mark Levin inform his listening audience that our founders put the emergency apportioned direct taxing power in the Constitution to be used when imposts, duties, and excise taxes were found insufficient to meet Congress expenditures ? I haven’t. But Mark Levin wants a convention so he can promote his socialist flat tax which he now does with one of his “liberty amendments”.

Check out this rant on Levin's ‘socialist flat tax’ .

I don't see a Constitutional Convention coming anytime soon.
But the idea did sell a few of Levin's books. The owners can put them next to their copy of 'Going Rogue: An American Life'

42 posted on 05/13/2014 6:39:04 AM PDT by sickoflibs (Obama : 'I never said that you can keep your doctor . Republicans lie about me ')
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To: JOHN W K

Bind up the government with new rules? Yeah, and do it quick.


43 posted on 05/13/2014 6:39:48 AM PDT by HMS Surprise (Chris Christie can STILL go straight to hell.)
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To: Impy; NFHale; GOPsterinMA; BillyBoy; fieldmarshaldj

Things are heating up on this thread LOL


44 posted on 05/13/2014 6:43:22 AM PDT by sickoflibs (Obama : 'I never said that you can keep your doctor . Republicans lie about me ')
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To: Mathews
No good could possibly come out of this.

You are going to have to explain that. We are now operating well outside the confines of our Constitution. Term Limits, Balanced Budget, Tax reforms? If the Red States pull together, it is likely our last and best hope. And seeing how many conservative (republican at least) governors and legislatures are in power across the nation, the time is right for it as well.

I just e-mail Governor Mike Pence again about it.

45 posted on 05/13/2014 6:49:01 AM PDT by Tenacious 1 (My whimsical litany of satyric prose and pontification of wisdom demonstrates my concinnity.)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
If the people want to take back their government, then they must rise to the occasion. But to think those who now hold political power at the federal and state level will work in the people's interest if a convention were called is to believe the fox can be trusted to care for the chickens.

If the people want to take back their government the following photos tell the tale: CLICK HERE

The future of America does rest in the hands of the American People and this coming election will play an important part in beginning the process of taking back our government from those who now use its force to enslave the American people!

Regards,

JWK

If we can make 51 percent of America’s population dependent upon an Obama, welfare, food stamp, section 8 housing, college loan check, and now free Obamacare along with FREE BACON, we can blackmail them for their vote, keep ourselves in power and keep the remaining portion of America’s productive population enslaved to pay the bills ____ Obama’s Marxist Free Cheese Democracy, which is designed to establish a federal dictatorship and redistribute the wealth which wage earners, business and investors have worked to create.

46 posted on 05/13/2014 6:49:26 AM PDT by JOHN W K
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To: Biggirl
Did not Mark Levin write a book not long ago about Constitutional articles?

Not so long ago. Publish Date: 8/13/2013

47 posted on 05/13/2014 6:51:01 AM PDT by Tenacious 1 (My whimsical litany of satyric prose and pontification of wisdom demonstrates my concinnity.)
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To: woofer2425
I don’t think what Mr Levin wants is called a constitutional convention. I think it’s called a convention of states. I understand there is a difference.

You are exactly correct. And FReepers NEED to educate themselves on the difference. A convention of the states puts the Federal Reps on the sidelines. The states and their own elected Governors and Legislatures run the show from proposals to ratification. The POTUS, SCOTUS and congress have no say.

48 posted on 05/13/2014 6:52:56 AM PDT by Tenacious 1 (My whimsical litany of satyric prose and pontification of wisdom demonstrates my concinnity.)
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To: Tenacious 1
It defies human logic to believe delegates chosen to attend a convention who are appointed by State Legislatures and Governors who engage in the same types of tyranny our federal government engages in would act in the Taxpayer’s best interests if a convention were called to amend our federal Constitution. And judging from the overwhelming financial dependency upon the federal government that every Governor and State Legislature has submitted themselves to, not to mention how almost every State has an enormous deficit and an underfunded state pension fund which is a ticking time bomb, that they would not be motivated to select delegates to a convention who would act in concert with the federal government to further tighten the iron fist of government around the necks of America’s hard working citizens and business owners, and find new ways to legally confiscate the wealth they create in order to “redistribute” it in a manner which keeps these federal and State tyrants in power.

If you get a chance, I urge you to read: Article V Group Ignores States' Complicity in Federal Power Grab

” Of all the misrepresentations often repeated by the pro-Article V constitutional convention proponents, one of the most important is the “states as victims” mantra … the claim that the federal government is “seizing power from the states” cannot be stipulated to without falsely portraying states as victims rather than as accomplices to these crimes against the Constitution."

If a solution to the tyranny which is carried out at both the federal and state level is to be found, it certainly will not come from those who carry out the tyranny. I know of not one tyrannical government which has willingly released its iron fist from the necks of its citizens!

JWK

49 posted on 05/13/2014 6:54:19 AM PDT by JOHN W K
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To: JOHN W K; E. Pluribus Unum; Impy; NFHale; GOPsterinMA; BillyBoy; fieldmarshaldj
RE :”If the people want to take back their government, then they must rise to the occasion. But to think those who now hold political power at the federal and state level will work in the people's interest if a convention were called is to believe the fox can be trusted to care for the chickens.”

I am sure that my state Maryland will do its part . Martin O Malley...

What could go wrong?

There is absolute safety in proposing ideas that you (Mark) know will never be tried, sells lots of books too.

‘If only....’

If only Trump ran,
If only Sarah ran,

LOL

50 posted on 05/13/2014 6:55:00 AM PDT by sickoflibs (Obama : 'I never said that you can keep your doctor . Republicans lie about me ')
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