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"Feeding The Homeless" Is A Crime In Increasingly More US Cities
zero hedge ^ | 5/16/14 | tyler durden

Posted on 05/16/2014 5:41:54 PM PDT by Nachum

Submitted by Michael Snyder of The Economic Collapse blog,

Have you ever given food to a homeless person? Well, if you do it again in the future it might be a criminal act depending on where you live. Right now, there are dozens of major U.S. cities that have already passed laws against feeding the homeless. As you will read about below, in some areas of the country you can actually be fined hundreds of dollars for just trying to give food to a hungry person. I know that sounds absolutely insane, but this is what America is turning into. Communities all over the country are attempting to "clean up the streets" by making it virtually illegal to either be homeless or to help those that are homeless. Instead of spending more money on programs to assist the homeless, local governments are bulldozing tent cities and giving homeless people one way bus tickets out of town. We are treating some of the most vulnerable members of our society like human garbage, and it is a national disgrace.

What does it say about our country when we can't even give a warm sandwich to a desperately hungry person that is sleeping on the streets? A retired couple down in Florida named Debbie and Chico Jimenez wanted to do something positive for their community during their retirement years, so they started feeding the homeless in Daytona Beach. But recently the police decided to crack down on their feeding program and slapped everyone involved with a $373 fine...

For the past year, the Jimenezes have set up shop every Wednesday on Manatee Island in Daytona Beach, Fla., where they feed hot dogs, chicken, pasta salad and other BBQ staples to about 100 homeless people, WFTV reported. Handing out meals is just one

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Drop that sandwich or we'll shoot!
1 posted on 05/16/2014 5:41:54 PM PDT by Nachum
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To: Nachum

It is crazy.


2 posted on 05/16/2014 5:43:01 PM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans!)
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To: GeronL; Nachum

The next time we lecture about humanity to other countries, this can be used against us.


3 posted on 05/16/2014 5:46:17 PM PDT by CorporateStepsister (I am NOT going to force a man to make my dreams come true)
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To: Nachum

My idea was to create reservations for the truly homeless who aren’t insane. Let these reservations have the autonomy to create their own economies, let them govern themselves and just have enough official presence to keep the peace, investigate crimes and stuff.


4 posted on 05/16/2014 5:46:34 PM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans!)
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To: Nachum

I’d rather make the homeless work for their food. I see way too many of them bumming at highway off ramps and other places.


5 posted on 05/16/2014 5:47:40 PM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (Pubbies = national collectivists; Dems = international collectivists; We need a second party!)
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To: Nachum
... laws against feeding the homeless.

Then why are we giving welfare handouts to the poor? They abuse EBT cards meant for buying food. Rather than enforce laws to target the public feeding the poor, target Washington to straighten out welfare laws. Set up food kitchens to feed the poor, don't just hand out cash that gets abused. I'd rather the poor get food on the streets than get insane cash handouts that are abused.

6 posted on 05/16/2014 5:50:38 PM PDT by roadcat
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To: Nachum

I like it when the law accords with my natural inclinations.


7 posted on 05/16/2014 5:51:35 PM PDT by MUDDOG
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To: CorporateStepsister

bump


8 posted on 05/16/2014 5:51:48 PM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans!)
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To: Nachum

You’ve got to understand that this is a job for professionals ... such as government bureaucracies that effectively enslave the client and only require a vote in exchange.


9 posted on 05/16/2014 5:53:10 PM PDT by RetiredTexasVet (Progressives (communists) lie because their expectations and promises never match reality.)
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To: Nachum

Drop that sandwich or we’ll shoot your dog.


10 posted on 05/16/2014 5:57:51 PM PDT by samtheman
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To: Nachum

So this is why all the homeless move to Seattle. We are very generous with our handouts.


11 posted on 05/16/2014 5:58:34 PM PDT by Vinylly (?%)
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To: Nachum

People giving out charity takes the bread out of the mouths of the government dependent drones that are paid to feed the homeless, since they likely get money depending on how many mouths they feed. Same reason they encourage kids to sign up for the free meals at school - it adds to their bottom line. You tax dollars at work....


12 posted on 05/16/2014 6:02:37 PM PDT by Some Fat Guy in L.A. (Still bitterly clinging to rational thought despite it's unfashionability)
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To: GeronL
No, it makes perfect sense.

Feeding bums is a bad idea - it encourages them to keep on doing what they're doing: panhandling, drinking, urinating and defecating in public, and all the wonderful behavior that destroys neughborhoods and fosters crime.

Newsflash: 99.9% of bums are either insane or addicts or both.

The notion that there are sane, sober "homeless" folks just down on their luck is nonsense.

If you had a friend or a relative who lost his home and his job, would you put him up and help him get back on his feet? Of course you would.

Why do bums on the street have no friend or relative willing to do this? Because they have alienated everyone in their lives through their destructive behavior and they have moved on to strangers.

There are much better and smarter ways to help what a more conservative age called "the deserving poor."

13 posted on 05/16/2014 6:07:29 PM PDT by wideawake
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To: Nachum
The concept they want is there is no "Christian Charity" and that all bounty flows from the state.

It will fail, but that's what they want.

14 posted on 05/16/2014 6:09:32 PM PDT by Caipirabob (Communists... Socialists... Democrats...Traitors... Who can tell the difference?)
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To: Nachum

That which is not expressly permitted is otherwise forbidden.

Welcome to a brave new world ‘order’.


15 posted on 05/16/2014 6:10:00 PM PDT by The Working Man
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To: GeronL

Problem: The vast majority of homeless that I’ve seen tend to be mentally ill, or hopelessly addicted to alcohol or drugs.

They need professional help, giving them stuff will usually just keep them alive, and giving them their own Australia to build won’t work either, because they are mostly not in full control of themselves. Unfortunately that kind of help is extremely expensive and lengthy, with no guarantee of success.


16 posted on 05/16/2014 6:10:01 PM PDT by Corporate Democrat
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To: Nachum; Gamecock; F15Eagle
"First we got some person strapping homeless people to a rickshaw, and now you want to sell us a book that's been flagged for being in the bathroom! Not to mention that there's some woman who wants to give the homeless muffin stumps!"


17 posted on 05/16/2014 6:13:03 PM PDT by Larry Lucido
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To: Nachum; Gamecock; F15Eagle

Rebecca De Mornay confronts Elaine and Mr. Lippman regarding the muffin stumps left at the homeless shelter.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e6jGeIwebvk


18 posted on 05/16/2014 6:18:31 PM PDT by Larry Lucido
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To: Nachum; roadcat

“Then why are we giving welfare handouts to the poor? They abuse EBT cards meant for buying food. Rather than enforce laws to target the public feeding the poor, target Washington to straighten out welfare laws. Set up food kitchens to feed the poor, don’t just hand out cash that gets abused. I’d rather the poor get food on the streets than get insane cash handouts that are abused.”

6 posted on May 16, 2014 8:50:38 PM EDT by roadcat

I agree totally. Also, there are some people who just don’t WANT to be forced to live inside. The poor receive free medical care; ETB cards for food; and their rent money. Why do they refuse to take it?


19 posted on 05/16/2014 6:20:47 PM PDT by kitkat (STORM HEAVEN WITH PRAYERS FOR OUR COUNTRY)
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To: GeronL; Nachum
It seems crazy, but wait until you live in a liberal neighborhood where there are lots of homeless. Do-gooders gave food out in a park near where we lived, and it became overrun with filthy degenerate drug addicts. There were literally human crap in the grass, empty alcohol bottles, houses nearby were burglarized, cars broken into. We'd have to drive the kids miles away to a clean park.


^^ lining up for food..

20 posted on 05/16/2014 6:21:04 PM PDT by MrShoop
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To: The Working Man
That which is not expressly permitted is otherwise forbidden.

I believe it is more along the lines of "that which is not prohibited is mandatory."

21 posted on 05/16/2014 6:21:06 PM PDT by Yo-Yo (Is the /sarc tag really necessary?)
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To: Yo-Yo

You do have a point there.


22 posted on 05/16/2014 6:23:09 PM PDT by The Working Man
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To: Nachum
This is part of a larger initiative - the government has been working to shut down independent food pantries, forcing them to tie into the FDA or shut down.
23 posted on 05/16/2014 6:26:50 PM PDT by Fido969 (What's sad is most)
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To: MrShoop

Santa Monica, CA?


24 posted on 05/16/2014 6:36:36 PM PDT by thecodont
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To: MrShoop

Nobody takes their kids to Palisades Park.


25 posted on 05/16/2014 7:06:54 PM PDT by Misterioso
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To: GeronL

A good chunk of the homeless do not want to be governed or live by the rules etc. That’s why a good portion of them are homeless in the first place.


26 posted on 05/16/2014 7:11:05 PM PDT by corlorde (forWARD of the state)
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To: Jack Hydrazine

I would rather give the homeless food and cut off all those EBT cardholders.


27 posted on 05/16/2014 7:11:53 PM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: Larry Lucido; F15Eagle
Can we at least give them our unwanted puffy shirts?


28 posted on 05/16/2014 7:12:58 PM PDT by Gamecock (#BringTheAdultsBackToDC)
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To: GeronL

I’m sure there are a few homeless who fit the profile protrayed on the “Sad Story of the Week” but very few...the rest do not WANT to be civilized...they like doing what they do and they get by with it....I have no sympathy...


29 posted on 05/16/2014 7:14:17 PM PDT by cherry
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To: Corporate Democrat

The unpleasant fact is that the involuntary commitment laws need to be changed again, not just for this reason, but some others as well. I know that everybody is worried about abuses. I am too, but we have to do our best to put safeguards in place.


30 posted on 05/16/2014 7:15:36 PM PDT by crazycatlady
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To: RetiredTexasVet
what is happening is that the govt workers type push to have free food outreachs shut down...you know the ones run by church groups...

its because they'd rather have a monopoly on being generous, and afterall, think of all those richly paid govt workers needed to do what the church ladies did for free..

31 posted on 05/16/2014 7:16:59 PM PDT by cherry
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To: Nachum

It is about health laws and being able to track food borne illnesses.

This isn’t ‘new’. These laws have been around for a long time.

You want to feed the homeless, then set up a legal feeding place that is inspected and can be tracked.


32 posted on 05/16/2014 7:18:00 PM PDT by Nifster
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To: Vinylly

So is Everett but there is less tolerance for the other things associated with feeding programs, etc. Today in the Everett Tribune(free newspaper) was an article about people dismayed with panhandling in Snohomish. There are also big debates about civility issues in an around the Everett Library. There is a movement afoot to put Alcohol Impact Areas in downtown Everett.


33 posted on 05/16/2014 7:20:02 PM PDT by crazycatlady
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To: cherry

8 more years of this, half the country could be destitute


34 posted on 05/16/2014 7:22:15 PM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans!)
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To: MrShoop

Ok, make them rent an empty store front


35 posted on 05/16/2014 7:24:22 PM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans!)
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To: Corporate Democrat

A small minority is probably right


36 posted on 05/16/2014 7:25:25 PM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans!)
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To: wideawake

I think what you say is accurate. With strong enough will and a little well-placed help, people can pull themselves out of homelessness. I know people who have.

I suspect that a lot of homeless women are that way because they won’t give up a husband or boyfriend that is dragging them down. I can’t prove it, I just suspect it.

There are some who are getting disability checks and choose to spend them on other things rather than rent on a room or tiny apartment.


37 posted on 05/16/2014 7:25:47 PM PDT by crazycatlady
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To: corlorde

I think that’s especially true of street youths who tend to hang only in certain areas. People claim that they are fleeing horrible home situations and some are but some aren’t so bad. Phyllis Wachtel, co-author of the Tough Love books, calls them run-tos, as opposed to runaways, because she sees them running to, as they see it a life of freedom, friends and partying, and away from rules and discipline.I bring it up because there is a movement afoot to extend the age that kids can be dependent in the foster care system, since a lot of foster kids are evidently ending up homeless and dysfunctional in the streets. I think that this is a bad idea. Instead they should be prepared, at 16 or 17 to transition into responsible adult life at 18.


38 posted on 05/16/2014 7:36:07 PM PDT by crazycatlady
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To: All

Somebody named Tyler Durden writes for zerohedge?


39 posted on 05/16/2014 7:45:02 PM PDT by crazycatlady
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To: Uncle Chip

If they are capable of working, whatever their capacity, then require them to work (homeless, EBTers, bums, etc.). Just giving them food doesn’t solve the problem.

If they are incapable of work then that is a different story.


40 posted on 05/16/2014 7:50:17 PM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (Pubbies = national collectivists; Dems = international collectivists; We need a second party!)
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To: Vinylly

When I lived near Seattle, it was embarrassing to take out-of-town visitors into that crazy city where no one interferes with “poor homeless” people scamming pedestrians, begging for money, food and drugs, even inside NORDSTROMs fancy schmancy downtown store.

Not kidding. A welldressed Amish woman was often found in Nordie’s cosmetic department trying to scam shoppers out of money. Store did nothing to stop her.


41 posted on 05/16/2014 8:04:12 PM PDT by Veto! (OpInions freely dispensed as advice)
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To: crazycatlady
Somebody named Tyler Durden writes for zerohedge?

A lot of people named Tyler Durden write for zerohedge.

42 posted on 05/16/2014 8:06:12 PM PDT by dr_lew
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To: Nachum


43 posted on 05/16/2014 8:29:52 PM PDT by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -vvv- NO Pity for the LAZY - 86-44)
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To: roadcat

This is not new, there was some western states that stopped on the street feeding, and only those with licenses or non profit status could give out food.

Now, this new ‘stop feeding the homeless’ may be tied to the Food Safety Act of 2010, where only an approved commercial kitchen (govt approved)may give the homeless food...probably Mooch’s healthy approval like school lunches? (sarc)


44 posted on 05/16/2014 8:35:00 PM PDT by Kackikat
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To: GeronL

~My idea was to create reservations for the truly homeless who aren’t insane. Let these reservations have the autonomy to create their own economies, let them govern themselves and just have enough official presence to keep the peace, investigate crimes and stuff.~

I think 9 in 10 homeless are asocial people and insane to some level. Their lives are their choice, they aren’t capable of autonomy and self-govering and don’t really need it.


45 posted on 05/16/2014 8:35:07 PM PDT by wetphoenix
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To: Nachum
Ok, I am not fully sanctioning these laws but if you subsidize something you get more of it. If you want fewer homeless people and beggars pretending to be homeless you need to discourage it.

BTW, we didn't have a huge problem with homeless people until the Dims forced us to release the mental patients to fend for themselves in the 70’s.

46 posted on 05/16/2014 8:51:53 PM PDT by logic101.net (How many more children must die on the altar of gun control?)
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To: crazycatlady

~I suspect that a lot of homeless women are that way because they won’t give up a husband or boyfriend that is dragging them down. I can’t prove it, I just suspect it.~

OMG! Your screen name is telling... Please, don’t start class wars here, especially when ‘you can’t prove’ your point!
BTW, are you as compassionate to poor men, ‘dragged down’ by their wives and girlfriends?

Bottom line is, men or women, the vast majority of homeless are extremely lazy irresponsible people.
You can blame the ‘economy’ as much as you wish, but there are still plenty of entry level jobs with only requirements is to be clean and show on time. It pays enough to have housing.


47 posted on 05/16/2014 8:54:50 PM PDT by wetphoenix
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To: Veto!

“Not kidding. A welldressed Amish woman was often found in Nordie’s cosmetic department trying to scam shoppers out of money. Store did nothing to stop her.”

Nordstrom would not get one nickel from me if that was going on while I was shopping.

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48 posted on 05/16/2014 9:01:34 PM PDT by Mears
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To: MrShoop

“Instead of spending more money on programs to assist the homeless”

Hard to believe Free Republic has members posting liberal propaganda and self-righteously agreeing with it.


49 posted on 05/16/2014 10:07:55 PM PDT by ifinnegan
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To: thecodont; Misterioso
Ya, those pictures are of Palisades Park in Santa Monica, but the one I was really think about was Lincoln Park (now called Reed Park). Here is another picture, it is small and a little hard to see, but that is a line up of about a 100 homeless people picking up food.

Definitely fewer kids than drug addicts, and if there weren;t free handouts there would be more families, and fewer homeless.


50 posted on 05/16/2014 10:23:20 PM PDT by MrShoop
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