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CIA, FBI agents dying for illegal junta in Ukraine
Voice of Russia ^ | 5/19/14

Posted on 05/19/2014 1:47:32 PM PDT by mgist

The US/CIA/NATO have stepped up their military operations and continue to actively wage their secret war in Ukraine against the Ukrainian people in an extremely dangerous poorly planned operation that is failing and carries with it the real threat of sparking off a full-fledged war, if not World War III, against an unwilling Russian Federation which continues to attempt to deal with the aggressive-in-your-face-threat to its security through diplomacy and peaceful means. The recent capture and killing of 25 CIA officers in Ukraine only shows the desperation of the US effort and the complete disregard for not only international law and the people of Ukraine but also for the lives of their own CIA personnel.

The facts are as follows (backed up by dozens of reports, eyewitness statements and visual evidence): on the 18th of May the People’s Mayor of Slavyansk, Vyacheslav Ponomaryov announced that: "Kiev-controlled troops and 'law enforcers' had sustained heavy losses during a so-called ‘counter-terrorist’ operation in the east of the country." "At least 650 servicemen were killed, wounded or taken prisoner in the past ten 10 days," he said.

"There are 70 foreigners among them and of those 13 agents of the US Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) and Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) were killed and 12 others were wounded", Ponomaryov told reporters.

The Mayor also said that the self-defense forces afflicted heavy losses on Right Sector/Ukrainian army forces and also completely wiped out the junta’s "Alpha" operatives.

According to media and television reports Mayor Ponomaryov stated that with regard to the "… foreign mercenaries in the ranks of Ukrainian executioners, they also suffered losses. According to Ponomarev, a private military company Analizy Systemowe Bartlomiej lost 6 people, Greystone - 14 people, Academi - 50 people. CIA and FBI have lost 25 employees, of which 13 - killed."

"Furthermore, killed or injured 40 soldiers of the 95th airmobile brigade of Ukrainian Armed Forces, as well as 20 members of the MUP . Loss Donetsk militias from May 2-12 8 were killed and 3 wounded."

US Denies The Voice of Russia also reported that the CIA denied the claims on a Twitter post, which of course is to be expected: "The US Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) has denied reports of a number of CIA agents allegedly killed in clashes between forces loyal to the Kiev authorities and self-defense units in eastern Ukraine." "A CIA official claimed on the US embassy in Berlin's official Twitter page of the that no such incidents had taken place and that allegations by pro-Russian activists did not correspond to reality."

Plausible Deniability Plausible Deniability is a phrase coined by the CIA itself "to describe the withholding of information from senior officials in order to protect them from repercussions in the event that illegal or unpopular activities by the CIA became public knowledge."

Due to the fact that the denial comes through a Twitter post and not from an official CIA or FBI statement, or from the White House for that matter, and that the CIA/FBI is heavily involved in illegal operations in Ukraine and has been for decades, I would argue that it is a given that the CIA has lost officers, agents, mercenaries and support staff in Ukraine. That is almost a given, the only question is how many. Illegal Operation.

Due to the huge flow of information and the massive amount of reports, leaks and revelations there is little debate in the media about one simple fact and that fact is what is most troubling about the entire US/CIA/NATO/EU meddling in the sovereign affairs of Ukraine. To make matters worse the US/CIA/NATO/EU undeniably now have blood on their hands, not only that of Ukrainian civilians, Tatars and Russians but also of citizens of other countries.

The fact that is being ignored is that US/CIA/NATO/EU "operations" and meddling in Ukraine are ILLEGAL. From the overthrowing of the democratically elected government, to the shooting and murder of police, to the killing of anyone who is against the junta, to the backing and training of the Right Sector, and finally to the importing of US/CIA/Greystone and other mercenaries to kill Ukrainians, the entire "mission" is illegal.

The United States of America is involved in a dirty illegal war in a country it had no business in being in in the first place. The Ukrainian operation serves no us security interest, it is no "protecting American lives" and it does nothing for the American people, to advance democracy or human rights or anything else. US/NATO want missiles in Ukraine to further threaten Russia which has done nothing but to try to be friends and simply do business. CIA operations in Ukraine are illegal. Period. End of discussion.

I will not go into how many poor innocent Ukrainians have died or suffered in the Nuland coup and since, only to say that those who were burned alive and gassed and murdered in Odessa and other locations in Ukraine will not be forgotten and those responsible, whether they be CIA or nazi trash, will be held accountable.

CIA Recklessly Using Staff as Cannon Fodder This is a message most likely of interest to those poor CIA operatives in Ukraine who are blindly fulfilling the orders of the Agency, the Company, the Farm, Langley or whatever else you want to call it and the "Washington Elites" who have abrogated onto themselves the right to send you off to die in some far off land to fulfill their poorly though out geopolitical objectives and continue to propagate and wage the Cold War that they just can not seem to let go of. Also for all you members of the CIA’s Special Operations Group, NAVY Seals, CIA/Greystone/Academi and the like who are operating in Ukraine. I am a humanist I suppose and am speaking to the human in all of you. I understand that when you signed up you were full of misdirected patriotism, perhaps full of prejudice and hate for "rag heads" and "terrorists" and the like and all you wanted to do was to serve your country and even proudly give your life for the Constitution, the security of the American people and for your "government of the people by the people and for the people". Honorable motivations (other than the racial hatred thing and love of killing of course) but what will you do when you find out you have been used? When your comrades and you are asked to kill women and children or provide intelligence and support for the killing of civilians whose only crime is that they speak Russian and do not want to be ruled by nazis? How will your wives and families feel back in America when they find out you died in some field near Slavyansk and your body was left there to rot because the US Government could not even admit on a Twitter post that you died fulfilling your mission?

There is no justification for what your "leaders" are asking you to do in Ukraine. There is no threat against America other than what they themselves are creating. The Russian people and the Russian Government, no matter how much they are demonize wish the American people and even you no harm. Look at Edward Snowden. He was CIA AND NSA and Russia gave him asylum because he saw the lies and understood the truth about the illegality that he was asked to take part in. Even this certified "enemy of the state" was protected by Russia.

I have written for the world audience and my readers about what is really happening in Ukraine for the last 6 months. Trying to get the truth out to the world and little has changed, now I ask you directly: you who are helping the nazi junta for the US Government, the CIA, Greystone, USAID and the like, stop what you are doing, you are killing innocent people, including your own highly trained citizens. I am pleading to you because your leaders, your president, you secretary of state are doing the bidding of someone other than the American people. Remember who you serve. Remember your Constitution. There is no legitimate reason for you to be subverting Ukraine. The central bankers, the military industrial complex and the Washington elite are not what you signed up to give your life for. Russia is not your enemy. Believe me. Neither is Ukraine. Your enemy and the enemy of all of us is sitting in Kiev right now (the nazi junta) and in Washington’s elite clubs and posh watering holes patting each other on the back for the million dollars they made today. Or is it billion? And for the way they have gotten you to unwittingly go along with their little plan. They must be laughing that you are prepared to die for them.

In the end you may die in some field near Slavyansk or some other Ukrainian city as you were involved in a "secret" operation to kill Christian women and children for the crime of being "pro-Russian" and they will deny that you exist and your body will rot somewhere in an unmarked grave. Is that what you signed up for?

Think about it. Look around you. What are you really doing? The views and opinions expressed above are my own. I can be reached at robles@ruvr.ru.


TOPICS: Conspiracy
KEYWORDS: propaganda; putin; tool; ukraine; ukrainecrisis
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Is it wrong that this Russian article is more believable to me than my own beloved nations propaganda, from a President that has used the US military and money, while killing thousands, in support of terrorist drug cartels?
1 posted on 05/19/2014 1:47:32 PM PDT by mgist
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To: mgist
"The US/CIA/NATO have stepped up their military operations and continue to actively wage their secret war in Ukraine against the Ukrainian people in an extremely dangerous poorly planned operation that is failing and carries with it the real threat of sparking off a full-fledged war, if not World War III, against an unwilling Russian Federation which continues to attempt to deal with the aggressive-in-your-face-threat to its security through diplomacy and peaceful means. The recent capture and killing of 25 CIA officers in Ukraine only shows the desperation of the US effort and the complete disregard for not only international law and the people of Ukraine but also for the lives of their own CIA personnel. "

The demon in the oval office cannot get enough blood, even the millions of abortions a year can not sate it.

2 posted on 05/19/2014 1:51:20 PM PDT by The_Republic_Of_Maine (Be kept informed on Maine's secession, sign up at freemaine@hushmail.com)
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To: mgist

I agree:

I would sooner believe this Voice of Russia author than the Regime that currently runs the USA.

I’m not ashamed, either.

I once hated Russia, and I don’t love her now, but most of what this guy is saying is correct.


3 posted on 05/19/2014 1:53:35 PM PDT by gaijin
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To: mgist

Yes, it is wrong. But no need to discuss you personal shortcomings.


4 posted on 05/19/2014 1:55:15 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: mgist

The “650 Killed” figure is likely fantasy.

There have been several twitter rumors in recent days of mass desertions among the Army, though, as well as the report today that a Ukrainian “spetnaz” unit surrendered to the rebels near Donetsk.

There are also persistent twitter rumors of Ukrainian Army defecting to the locals.


5 posted on 05/19/2014 1:56:43 PM PDT by tcrlaf (Q)
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To: tcrlaf

Are they eating babies yet, according to Twitter?


6 posted on 05/19/2014 2:00:25 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: tcrlaf

The whole thing is likely a fantasy. The idea that the US administration would side against the Muslims in Ukraine is laughable.


7 posted on 05/19/2014 2:01:59 PM PDT by Ingtar (The NSA - "We're the only part of government who actually listens to the people.")
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To: mgist

How come they did not mention the UN? That alone tells you they’re serving up a Jim Jones Kool Aid cocktail. The Russians are consistent about one thing. That is lying. There’s no reason for the CIA or the FBI to operate as soldiers taking on the separatists. The folks doing that are Ukrainians. The majority of Ukrainians don’t want the Russians on their soil nor us. As the operation in Marupol showed, they can take care of business on their own.

Russia is using every means it has to confuse the issue and try to spread dissension.


8 posted on 05/19/2014 2:03:49 PM PDT by meatloaf (Impeach Obama. That's my New Year's resolution.)
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To: mgist

The inability to discern fact from fiction on either side is just ONE MORE reason for the United States to stay out of this conflict. Nothing that can happen in Ukraine has any impact whatsoever upon our national security, so we have no business meddling there.


9 posted on 05/19/2014 2:07:01 PM PDT by Always A Marine
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To: 1rudeboy

Well as far as I’m concerned this is all a turf war for government cartels. Ukraine is a strategically located nation for trafficking into EU. In the same way Mexico, is to the US.

Famed author, Samuel Hersh detailed Obama’s use of the US military to support Muslim Brotherhood and Al Qaeda regimes in,The Red Line and the Rat. They aren’t just terrorist organizations, they are heroin traffickers.

Another strategic point is Syria. Benghazi was about arming Syrian rebels with $millions in cash, and weapons. The rebels are bombing the country, and have pledged allegiance to Al Qaeda a heroin cartel, and 160,000 people have died in that country.

US military is reported to be protecting the Afghan poppy fields, and heroin is flooding world markets. Russian officials have claimed that the heroin coming out of Afghanistan has killed over 500,000 people.

It is also consistent with the FEDS protecting the Sinaloa cartels. Fast and Furious was about Holder’s ATF giving the murderous Sinaloa gangs an arsenal of weapons. Sinaloa members have testified in court they had agreement with US Federal agents to traffic drugs in the US, specifically through Chicago.

Soros is running around dictating policy, and I have a strange fantasy that Putin will just help Soros meet his maker a little sooner. The Father of Lies should be waiting with open arms.


10 posted on 05/19/2014 2:09:09 PM PDT by mgist (.)
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To: tcrlaf; All

Also this:
(National Guard) Ukraine shot soldiers gathered to the side of the militias

National Guard NKVD supposedly killed 10 Ukrainian Soldiers that wanted to “defect”. This is likely the incident outside of Slovyansk that has been tweeted about for several days now.
http://russian.rt.com/article/32428

The coup government admitted to today that a group of soldiers has defected to the Donetsk Republic.

http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=uk&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fvv.gov.ua%2Fnews.php%3Fnid%3D4816%26lang%3Dua&sandbox=1


11 posted on 05/19/2014 2:10:01 PM PDT by tcrlaf (Q)
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To: Always A Marine

That’s an interesting standard: are we to think that the Cold war should not have been fought because either side used propaganda?


12 posted on 05/19/2014 2:10:37 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: mgist

Soros is far too valuable to Putin as a propaganda tool. To Putin, Soros is better alive than dead.


13 posted on 05/19/2014 2:13:28 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: mgist

Patriotic Americans are helping our Ukrainian allies kill our dirty rotten Russian enemies, and will continue to do so. Any American who supports Russia is a traitor and is helping Russia kill brave patriotic Americans.


14 posted on 05/19/2014 2:17:50 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
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To: mgist

All the Obama administration does at this point is lie.


15 posted on 05/19/2014 2:19:05 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin.)
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To: meatloaf

“The Russians are consistent about one thing. That is lying. “

This man is clearly wrong. FBI agents aren’t being grunts on the eastern front. But its very likely, almost to a near certainty, that they and the CIA both have a mission to Kiev, advising them on how to suppress the uprising in the east.

That said, just a little thought exercise. You say the Russians are consistent about lying. Can you please tell us the last time after around WWII or Korea you believe our own government has been honest with the people, and not a consistent purveyor of lies, coverups, and misdirection at home?


16 posted on 05/19/2014 2:45:50 PM PDT by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office.)
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To: Ingtar
"The whole thing is likely a fantasy. The idea that the US administration would side against the Muslims in Ukraine is laughable."

The way I read the article is the Christians the US is opposing and the muslims they have and maybe are fighting for and with.

Very near the end it says "In the end you may die in some field near Slavyansk or some other Ukrainian city as you were involved in a "secret" operation to kill Christian women and children for the crime of being "pro-Russian" and they will deny that you exist and your body will rot somewhere in an unmarked grave. Is that what you signed up for? "

17 posted on 05/19/2014 2:47:06 PM PDT by The_Republic_Of_Maine (Be kept informed on Maine's secession, sign up at freemaine@hushmail.com)
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To: 1rudeboy
"Soros is far too valuable to Putin as a propaganda tool. To Putin, Soros is better alive than dead."

As is obama.

18 posted on 05/19/2014 2:49:25 PM PDT by The_Republic_Of_Maine (Be kept informed on Maine's secession, sign up at freemaine@hushmail.com)
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To: mgist

I’m sorry but I just can’t believe that Obama would do anything to harm his friend Vladimir with whom he promised to be ‘flexible’.


19 posted on 05/19/2014 2:52:01 PM PDT by MeganC (Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity.)
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To: 1rudeboy

Nobody is expected to discern what of the enemy propaganda is a lie. But if your own government is 100% dishonest, its insane to follow them into a war. Cold or hot.

Unless of course some childlike part of a person simultaneously believes Obama is a Marxist, a revolutionary, a moslem sympathizer, raised abroad till age 18, and is animated by his dislike of everything American......and that he sometimes leads America in a pure and wholesome directions.


20 posted on 05/19/2014 2:56:12 PM PDT by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office.)
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To: DesertRhino

Your problem is that you are trying to convince people that Obama is some kind of scheming mastermind instead of an ignorant imbecile who couldn’t find Ukraine on a map.


21 posted on 05/19/2014 3:33:20 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
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To: DesertRhino

I’m not on record as saying our government hasn’t lied. The Russians have been consistently caught lying about Ukraine as the situation has progressed. The western media has picked it up but has either not understood the discrepancies or is complicit in disregarding the truth when it disproves the earlier lie.

We have posters here promoting false information. The Russians must have a large number of people putting the crap out. The few news releases that are truthful are so few in comparison to the massive Russian disinformation that it’s hard for the average person to find.

It’s especially bad when respected western sources never validates a story. One picks up the bogus info and it gets repeated.


22 posted on 05/19/2014 3:43:30 PM PDT by meatloaf (Impeach Obama. That's my New Year's resolution.)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Sorry sparky, never said O was an evil mastermind. I think he is definitely pursuing a plan. But he isn’t very bright personally.
But the question remains. Whether one believes him to be a mastermind, or a dumb ass, do you think he sometimes is suddenly a classic American, doing what is best for America?

You really believe that sometimes Obama is correct in foreign policy, and that we should support his goals. Don’t you?


23 posted on 05/19/2014 3:50:16 PM PDT by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office.)
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To: DesertRhino

No. I think his policy is to bend over as flexibly as possible for his good comrade KGB Putin.


24 posted on 05/19/2014 3:58:43 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
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To: meatloaf

Ok, then lets just take Ukraine. Do you believe Obama, Nuland, McCain, Kerry, the NSA, and the EU are trustworthy in this one situation?
Do you believe that they have been open and honest with the American people as to their motivations, strategic goals, participation, and back channel deals?

I don’t. Though a blind man can see the Russian distortions here, I cannot understand how someone can think our leadership is suddenly honest, clean, and deeply interested in human freedom.
Throughout the world and at home, they are -always- aligned against it.

Its almost a truism at this point that if our government is doing something, that they are hiding the truth of it from us, and it is something of which we would not approve. At this point, if DC is for it, I find it safest to oppose it. And am not often shown to be wrong.


25 posted on 05/19/2014 4:00:20 PM PDT by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office.)
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To: meatloaf

What im saying is that normally, an American should never need to discern whether a foreign source is credible or not. We should be able to look towards our own leaders to know what is happening.

Excepting minor flaws, we could largely do that during the cold war. In WWII and Korea we were fairly well clear on the basic truths or the situation. Mostly what was hidden were military secrets.

Now that is reversed. The military is utterly exposed, but our national strategy is the secret. Its time to face facts. The US government must be held in high suspicion in most matters before us.


26 posted on 05/19/2014 4:09:19 PM PDT by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office.)
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To: DesertRhino

I think what you are missing is the fact that one can discuss whether the Russian government is being truthful without discussing the Obama Administration.


27 posted on 05/19/2014 4:10:39 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: Tailgunner Joe

If his policy was to bend over for Putin, he would have lined up against the Maidan protesters, not supported them.
He would have supported the government or Ukraine when it decided to sign an economic treaty with Russia rather than with the EU.

He is a tool of the EU/NATO,,,not of Putin. Think about it. All his actions support the EU, not Russian interests.

But that’s still giving him too much credit. I think he’s mad at Putin because gay and is bitter about Putin not caving into his pressure to change gay policies. Then Putin stopped Obamas jihad in Syria.
Now Obama is simply after revenge against Putin.


28 posted on 05/19/2014 4:16:55 PM PDT by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office.)
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To: MeganC
". . . I just can’t believe that Obama would do anything to harm his friend Vladimir . . . "

If you think a narcissist like King Barry has friends you're living in a fantasy world. Barry will throw anyone under the bus if that's what it takes to keep his personal bubble intact and the few people he relies on to worship him in his corner.

Vlad has very publicly snubbed and joked about Barry on several occasions, exactly the sort of thing Barry would let fester until he had any opportunity to do something his handlers say would harm Putin.

29 posted on 05/19/2014 4:17:26 PM PDT by Rashputin (Jesus Christ doesn't evacuate His troops, He leads them to victory.)
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To: 1rudeboy

What you are missing is that it only matters if the American government is truthful. And it isn’t.


30 posted on 05/19/2014 4:19:03 PM PDT by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office.)
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To: DesertRhino
Well, I guess propaganda is ok, then. /s
Did you hear that the Russians occupied Crimea to secure a UFO landing site? It was on Twitter.
31 posted on 05/19/2014 4:28:58 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: DesertRhino
What im saying is that normally, an American should never need to discern whether a foreign source is credible or not. We should be able to look towards our own leaders to know what is happening.

Excepting minor flaws, we could largely do that during the cold war. In WWII and Korea we were fairly well clear on the basic truths or the situation. Mostly what was hidden were military secrets.

Now that is reversed. The military is utterly exposed, but our national strategy is the secret. Its time to face facts. The US government must be held in high suspicion in most matters before us.

Concurring bump...very well stated.

32 posted on 05/19/2014 4:40:08 PM PDT by mac_truck ( Aide toi et dieu t aidera)
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To: mac_truck

Da, comrade.


33 posted on 05/19/2014 4:52:13 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: mgist

Dear National Bolshevik Putin Supporters: Please leave Ukraine and go to Russia where you belong. Oh, your leader deserves a bullet to the head.


34 posted on 05/19/2014 4:56:06 PM PDT by Clemenza (Lurking)
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To: DesertRhino

It’s like anything else, a person needs to be able to reason. Otherwise others will have their way with you. Whether it’s selling toothpaste or the viewpoint that Russia is trying to sell the world. We’re constantly being barraged with information.

Ukraine is a country of little interest for this country. Most Americans have no knowledge of its history or the current situation other than the snippets they pick up from the news.

Most in this country only know the official history or what is taught in school. The real history is much more complex and often opposite what is popularly believed.

Our national strategy has been manipulated by countries that don’t have our best interests in mind. The Saudis have been masters at this as have the Russians. It’s not a secret for those willing to spend the time needed to understand how we got to where we are. Unfortunately this country has deteriorated to the point most can only digest spoon fed sound bites. Beyond that, they lose interest.


35 posted on 05/19/2014 5:00:40 PM PDT by meatloaf (Impeach Obama. That's my New Year's resolution.)
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To: Clemenza
But what about the US government? It lies to us.
/spoken with Russian accent
36 posted on 05/19/2014 5:00:46 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: 1rudeboy

Nope, its not ok. More like its irrelevant. It only becomes necessary to discern the honesty of foreign sources AFTER our own becomes known as dishonest. We are there.


37 posted on 05/19/2014 5:06:12 PM PDT by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office.)
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To: DesertRhino
He is a tool of the EU/NATO,,,not of Putin. Think about it. All his actions support the EU, not Russian interests.

Nuland said "F**K the EU" in a tape conversation. Obama's actions against Putin concerning Ukraine have been pretty mild. He doesn't seem to care as much about Ukraine as the EU does.

Times change. The Obama tool is the MBs and not some much the EU's. Clinton was the EU tool. But that was back when the EU seemed like the biggest menace.

38 posted on 05/19/2014 5:19:48 PM PDT by FreeReign
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To: mgist

When you used the words illegal junta, that is were you revealed yourself. The criminal Yanukovych who fled Ukraine was a thief as were his ministers. You only have to look at the pictures of their estates to understand how much they stole. Putin who heads up a similar criminal group does want the Russian people to know the truth. He does not want the Ukrainian infection of “freedom” spreading to Russia.

If that happened Mr. Putin would be in real danger of receiving a much deserved necktie party.


39 posted on 05/19/2014 5:25:44 PM PDT by meatloaf (Impeach Obama. That's my New Year's resolution.)
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To: DesertRhino
Nope, its not ok. More like its irrelevant.

Yet we have some who post it (Russian propaganda) all day long.

40 posted on 05/19/2014 5:26:33 PM PDT by FreeReign
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To: 1rudeboy
Da, comrade.

Guess what...you're just as dull and boring without the accent.

41 posted on 05/19/2014 5:27:46 PM PDT by mac_truck ( Aide toi et dieu t aidera)
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To: mac_truck

I just found it amusing that you complimented what essentially is a red (ha!) herring argument.


42 posted on 05/19/2014 6:06:00 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: DesertRhino

There is so much wrong with what you wrote, it’s hard to know where to begin.

The EU brokered an agreement whereby Yanukovich stayed in office and the Maidan protesters would disperse. Moscow, the EU and Yanukovich were all for this agreement, but the Maidan protesters refused it. Don’t you remember that?

So was Obama on the EU’s side that time? Because if he was, then he was also on Russia and Yanukovich’s side and against the Ukrainians. Ukraine says no to Putin, no to Yanukovich, no to the EU, and No to Obama.

None of this has anything to do with gayness or Syria at all. That’s just stupid.


43 posted on 05/19/2014 6:14:31 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
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To: FreeReign

The conservative European People’s Party is grooming Vladimir Klitschko to represent EU interests in Ukraine. When Nuland said F the EU she was saying F Klitschko.


44 posted on 05/19/2014 6:17:43 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
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To: Tailgunner Joe
The conservative European People’s Party is grooming Vladimir Klitschko to represent EU interests in Ukraine. When Nuland said F the EU she was saying F Klitschko.

Nuland was voicing a lot more than this administration's displeasure with one individual...it was more like the entire EU approach toward engineering events and outcomes in the Ukraine.

The other thing that stood out from that Russian "propaganda" leak was just how firmly the US State Dept.'s hand was inserted up the backs of the Ukrainian opposition puppets.

45 posted on 05/19/2014 6:57:58 PM PDT by mac_truck ( Aide toi et dieu t aidera)
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To: mgist

See my tagline.


46 posted on 05/19/2014 7:03:04 PM PDT by McGruff (What if I told you your leaders were lying to you?)
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To: mac_truck

Yes, the EU has not stood up against Putin enough, they have not stood up for US/NATO interests. That is what’s wrong with their approach. The USA must act in our own interests in Ukraine, we can’t count on the EU to stand up to Putin. They won’t. So she was right, and furthermore, she got her way, Klitsch was sidelined and Yats became PM. Good.


47 posted on 05/19/2014 7:12:37 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
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To: 1rudeboy
That’s an interesting standard: are we to think that the Cold war should not have been fought because either side used propaganda?

The Cold War contained a real threat of Soviet invasion of Western Europe. This is no Cold War, there is no threat to the United States, and there is no reason for us to fight anyone on either side of this conflict.

48 posted on 05/19/2014 7:22:05 PM PDT by Always A Marine
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To: Always A Marine

Ok, so when China takes Taiwan, no problem. Glad you cleared that up.


49 posted on 05/19/2014 7:25:29 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: 1rudeboy

How did you jump from Russia and Ukraine to China and Taiwan? What about Jupiter and Mars?


50 posted on 05/19/2014 7:57:01 PM PDT by Always A Marine
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