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The Jewish Question
Israpundit ^ | April 17, 2014 | Alex Markovsky

Posted on 05/20/2014 12:44:30 PM PDT by Pharmboy

Winston Churchill called Jews, “..the most formidable and the most remarkable race which has ever appeared in the world.” We are remarkable all right. When you have a smart Jew he predominates with his intellectual prowess over the rest of the human race, but when you have a dumb Jew, he is an insult to human intelligence.

As a Jew, I was perplexed which of those remarkable Jewish-Americans voted for Obama in 2008; to me, it was completely obvious that the alternative choices for president in 2008 were clear and unambiguous. On the Republican side was a war hero, a strong supporter of Israel, an experienced politician with a strong track record and a commitment to public service. On the other side, for the Democrats, was a young man of Muslim background, an inexperienced politician with no track record of accomplishment whose personal files were mysteriously sealed. Moreover, this man had dubious connections with anti-Semites and America-haters.

I was even more baffled in 2012. This time, the choice was between Obama and Romney, a friend of Benjamin Netanyahu, supporter of Israel, and a man with impeccable business and civil service credentials. What could Obama do for Jews that Romney couldn’t or wouldn’t do? What was it in the Democratic Party platform that was so appealing to the Jews? What was I missing? After the shocking outcome of each election, I asked “Why?” many times, of many Jews.

The typical answer I received was “I did not (???) vote for him, but I am not going to vote for him this time.” You ask a Jewish question, you get a Jewish answer. But they lied, and did vote for him again in 2012. As prominent Zionist Zev Jabotinsky once said, “Logic is an art of the Greeks; a Jew has his own logic. Jewish logic is the logic of catastrophe. Jews do not detect danger; they face it when it comes.” A Jew will ignore the weather forecast and forego buying an umbrella. He will get wet and contract pneumonia and then tell you that, as he has already survived pneumonia, the umbrella can wait. The old saw, “There are two types of Jews—those who believe that Judaism is about social justice and those who know Hebrew,” contains more than a kernel of truth. By and large, orthodox Jews voted for McCain in 2008 and for Romney in 2012.

Social justice, in terms of helping the sick and the poor, is deeply embedded in Judaism; for Jews it is a case of irrational obsession, and many of them believe that the only way to achieve a just society is through leftist policies. The problem is that their religion is not Judaism; it is almost every other possible ism (with the exceptions of conservatism and fascism), such as liberalism, socialism, feminism, environmentalism, and Marxism.

Speaking of which, the 1917 Bolshevik revolution in Russia that brought so much suffering to the people of Russia, including Jews, was in fact a Jewish revolution. Based upon socialist theories developed by a Jewish philosopher and economist, Karl Marx, the principal inspiration, organization, and driving power of the revolution came from Jewish leaders. Most of them changed their Jewish names to Russian ones to conceal their Jewishness, such as Trotsky (Bronstein), Zinoviev (Apelbaum), Kamenev (Rosenfeldt), Sverdlov (Rubenstine), Larine, Uritsky, Steclov (Nakhamkes), all of whom later assumed major positions in Lenin’s government. In effect, Jews founded and shaped the Soviet state. Yet these same Jewish Bolsheviks quickly became the first victims of the Soviet state. Over the next twenty years, by 1937, practically all of them had become targets of Stalin’s repressions and were executed or murdered abroad, like Leon Trotsky. Still, they would not abandon their devotion to socialism.

In the late 1920s, German Jews voted for Hitler’s National Socialist Party, only to become victims of the Holocaust a decade later. They chose to ignore Hitler’s anti-Semitic rhetoric, believing that it was merely for domestic consumption. They doubted that Hitler could be bad, much less evil. After all, he was a socialist!

Jews passionately supported and continue to admire FDR, who denied entry for Jews seeking asylum from Nazi extermination just before World War II. The most telling is the tragedy of the German ocean liner MS St. Louis, whose captain, Gustav Schroder, tried to save 937 German Jewish refugees after they were denied entry to Cuba, by bringing his ship to Miami only to learn that the U.S. refused his Jewish passengers a safe harbor. Finally the Jews were accepted by various European countries and eventually ended up in Auschwitz and Sóbibor, where half of them perished. By refusing to allow Jews to enter the United States Roosevelt offered Hitler a propaganda coup: justification of the persecution of Jews. The Nazis could say that they were not alone in their hatred of Jews; the rest of the world, and especially the United States, did not want them either. Nevertheless, Jews voted for FDR and still love him—after all, the New Deal was a giant step toward socialism.

The Jewish love affair with socialism that began in Russia continued in Germany and endures in today’s America. An examination of the current socialist Obama administration reveals a similar Jewish pattern. Living in ghettos for two millennia, the Jewish people have been struggling to reconcile their tragic history with the logic of contemporary reality. They have a difficult time coming to terms with the freedom and equal opportunities that America offers. They continue to fight for social justice, refusing to recognize that, as far as Jews are concerned, what they have accomplished in this country goes well beyond their wildest expectations. Sons and daughters of the first immigrants, who dug trenches and washed dishes in New York, became doctors, lawyers, senators, bankers, industrialists, and influential politicians.

Unfortunately, the descendants of the first immigrants inherited the genetic memories of their ghetto ancestors. They appear to have nurtured and maintained a sense of guilt, even in the face of their success; they feel guilty for achieving a standard of living as good as or better than any other ethnic group in this country. They are constantly seeking forgiveness for their survival. They are prisoners of insecurity. The guilt associated with their own success has led them to take on, and support, the cause of every underdog and liberal movement in sight, no matter how undeserving, no matter how irrational or against their own interests or even survival. As Jewish sociologist Milton Himmelfarb observed, “Jews earn like Episcopalians and vote like Puerto Ricans.” Over the last century, no social macrocosm in America has more consistently voted against their own interests.

Socialism, which began with the fanaticism of the grandparents, has been transformed into fear in the parents and subsequently into habits in the children and grandchildren; it is embedded deeply in the Jewish DNA.

The Jewish unequivocal commitment to the Democratic Party makes them irrelevant during the elections. Republicans do not care about Jewish interests because Jews do not vote for them regardless of whether or not Republicans address their concerns. Democrats take the Jewish vote for granted and essentially do not care about Jewish votes because the Jews will vote for them regardless of their position on Jewish issues. Even among the Jews who emigrated from the Soviet Union there are many supporters of Obama and his socialist policies. That confirms the Russian saying, “You can take a Jew out of socialism but you cannot take socialism out of a Jew.”

Despite the obvious, Jews continue to disregard the teachings of Karl Marx, their fellow member of the tribe, that socialism is about redistribution of wealth. Redistribution means taking from one group of citizens and giving it to others. Bolsheviks took from the bourgeoisie; Nazis took from the Jews. The contemporary American Neo-Bolsheviks aim at taking from the rich, even though there are many Jews among them.

Immediately before the 2012 election, I was in a Las Vegas restaurant with some of my Jewish friends, talking politics over dinner. At an adjacent table was another Jewish gathering. One of them turned around and asked one of my friends if he really was going to vote for Romney. My friend replied that he would vote for a cock roach if it ran against Obama. I thought that perhaps this expression, which I personally enjoyed, reflected a glimmer of hope that the Jews might emerge from their intellectual ghetto and commence a wave of voting based on logic, not habit. In the end, however, habit proved to be stronger than logic and, once again, emotional attachments trumped Jewish interests. In retrospect, I was picking up the dinner tab, which may have tilted the table in my philosophical direction. How else can I explain it.


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I thought that this was the best piece I had ever read on the subject of why Jews are so liberal?
1 posted on 05/20/2014 12:44:30 PM PDT by Pharmboy
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To: Pharmboy

Outstanding piece.


2 posted on 05/20/2014 12:52:31 PM PDT by Luke21
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To: Pharmboy

“...Speaking of which, the 1917 Bolshevik revolution in Russia that brought so much suffering to the people of Russia, including Jews, was in fact a Jewish revolution. ...”

Churchill also said that as well.


3 posted on 05/20/2014 12:52:41 PM PDT by NFHale (The Second Amendment - By Any Means Necessary.)
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To: Pharmboy

Indeed, an excellent article.


4 posted on 05/20/2014 12:54:08 PM PDT by Tijeras_Slim
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To: Pharmboy
Bttt.

5.56mm

5 posted on 05/20/2014 12:59:54 PM PDT by M Kehoe
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To: Pharmboy

The financial elites play the Jews like a fiddle.


6 posted on 05/20/2014 1:00:31 PM PDT by PieterCasparzen (We have to fix things ourselves)
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To: Pharmboy
Excellent post. However, the bottom line still is that:
“Jews earn like Episcopalians and vote like Puerto Ricans.”

Their fervent support of Barack Obama is a mystery wrapped in a tragedy for the whole country

7 posted on 05/20/2014 1:02:28 PM PDT by Kenny Bunk (Wrong)
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To: PieterCasparzen

As do the intellectual elites and—most important—the Democrat Party elites. It defies logic, but logic has never been a liberal’s strong point.


8 posted on 05/20/2014 1:05:22 PM PDT by Pharmboy (Democrats lie because they must.)
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To: Pharmboy

This was a good piece but it doesn’t explain why some liberal American Jews equate conservatism with Nazism. I have first-hand experience with this. My theory is that they place both Nazis and conservatives on the right because, although the Nazis were socialists, both were/are implacable foes of the Communists. And as the article pointed out, the leaders of the Communist revolution were Jewish.


9 posted on 05/20/2014 1:06:51 PM PDT by luvbach1 (We are finished. It will just take a while before everyone realizes it.)
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To: Pharmboy
There are some good things in this article, but this paragraph is utter nonsense:

In the late 1920s, German Jews voted for Hitler’s National Socialist Party, only to become victims of the Holocaust a decade later. They chose to ignore Hitler’s anti-Semitic rhetoric, believing that it was merely for domestic consumption. They doubted that Hitler could be bad, much less evil. After all, he was a socialist!

German Jews did not vote for Hitler. Antisemitism was his principle platform, and Jews knew it. They did vote for the Socialist Party (not the Nazi "National Socialist" Party), and the Socialists were, along with the Jews, the first to be sent to the concentration camps.

The author is also wrong to describe Karl Marx as a Jew (although Hitler did like to call him that). Marx's grandparents were Jews, but his parents converted to Lutheranism before Karl's birth. Marx never identified as a Jew, and his writings are full of anti-semitism.

10 posted on 05/20/2014 1:12:36 PM PDT by Lurking Libertarian (Non sub homine, sed sub Deo et lege)
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To: Lurking Libertarian

Thanks for you comments and corrections. Much appreciated.


11 posted on 05/20/2014 1:14:46 PM PDT by Pharmboy (Democrats lie because they must.)
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To: luvbach1
This was a good piece but it doesn’t explain why some liberal American Jews equate conservatism with Nazism. I have first-hand experience with this. My theory is that they place both Nazis and conservatives on the right because, although the Nazis were socialists, both were/are implacable foes of the Communists. And as the article pointed out, the leaders of the Communist revolution were Jewish.

By the standards of the 1930s, the Nazis were indeed regarded as a right-wing party. In Europe of the 1930s, the leftists favored pacifism, internationalism (the League of Nations), socialism and religious toleration, while the right wing parties favored militarism, nationalism, anti-communism and anti-semitism. This was true not just in Germany, but throughout Europe. Europeans at the time clearly saw the Nazis as a far-right party.

12 posted on 05/20/2014 1:17:42 PM PDT by Lurking Libertarian (Non sub homine, sed sub Deo et lege)
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To: NFHale

If you look at the waves of Jewish immigration from Eastern Europe and Russia to the US, it was around the same time that Jews in those countries were embracing Socialism as the simple solution to the great problems facing those troubled lands. They brought that ideology with them to the US, and refused to see the damage it wreaked on their former homelands in the century that followed.


13 posted on 05/20/2014 1:19:28 PM PDT by babble-on
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To: Pharmboy
In my family, I am the only one who turned out libertarian. One sister is a hard leftist (actually emigrated to Canada because she loves socialism), and the other sister voted for Obozo twice.

One cousin is a political conservative but also a Jew for Jesus.

Yes, it bothers me that so many of my fellow Jews are so liberal-lefty, but there doesn't seem to be much I can do about it personally.

14 posted on 05/20/2014 1:33:35 PM PDT by pbmaltzman
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To: Lurking Libertarian
You are correct in your post #12 but the fallacy that some American Jews accept is that because the Nazis were anti-semetic it follows that American conservatives are also anti-semetic. Of course most are not.

And, addressing Freepers in general, yes, I know A-rabs are also semites. But in common usage we know to whom the term ant-semitic applies.

15 posted on 05/20/2014 1:39:05 PM PDT by luvbach1 (We are finished. It will just take a while before everyone realizes it.)
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To: luvbach1

I had a Jewish friend in grad school in Austin. She was from Connecticut and her family was almost literally afraid that when she moved to Texas that she would be sent to a concentration camp. She was sort of surprised that she found less anti-Antisemitism in the South than in the N.E.


16 posted on 05/20/2014 1:55:57 PM PDT by Fai Mao (Genius at Large)
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To: Pharmboy

Wow! Thanks for this one Pharmboy.
Needs to reposted everywhere.


17 posted on 05/20/2014 1:59:20 PM PDT by SonnyBubba
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To: luvbach1
You are correct in your post #12 but the fallacy that some American Jews accept is that because the Nazis were anti-semetic it follows that American conservatives are also anti-semetic. Of course most are not.

It is absolutely true today that there is far more anti-semitism on the American left than on the American right. My parents told me that American Jews of their generation considered Republicans antisemitic because the Democrats in the 1930s tried to lift immigration quotas to allow Jews from Europe to enter America and the Republicans blocked them. (I don't know if that was in fact true; if it was, it may have had more to do with immigration policy in general than with anti-semitism. I haven't studied that aspect of history enough to comment.)

And, addressing Freepers in general, yes, I know A-rabs are also semites. But in common usage we know to whom the term ant-semitic applies.

The "we're not anti-semitic because we don't hate Arabs" thing is a modern leftist dodge. The phrase "anti-semitism" was in fact coined by a Nazi in the 1930s to come up with a "scientific" name for what had until then simply been called "Jew hatred."

18 posted on 05/20/2014 2:02:19 PM PDT by Lurking Libertarian (Non sub homine, sed sub Deo et lege)
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To: Fai Mao

Shalom Y’all!


19 posted on 05/20/2014 2:05:46 PM PDT by SonnyBubba
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To: Pharmboy
Most people probably vote in any given election for the same party they voted for in the last election and the one before that. It takes time for people to change their minds.

It's funny that people who would only ever vote for one party are surprised that people on the other side feel the same way.

20 posted on 05/20/2014 2:07:14 PM PDT by x
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To: luvbach1
This was a good piece but it doesn’t explain why some liberal American Jews equate conservatism with Nazism.

Propaganda. Elite finance in America (Rockefeller establishment since the late 19th century), through controlling boards and university endowments and boards, puts out messages of their choosing into society from all directions. School, movies, news, corporate policy, governments, associations, etc., as well as informally from the top down.

Jews, like everyone else, take their cues from those whom they see as leaders in society.

The linking of Nazism and conservatism was one of the political rewards that elite international finance reaped from WWII; it has been and continues to be preached exhaustively in the mainstream everywhere.

And as the article pointed out, the leaders of the Communist revolution were Jewish.

That's not the whole story. Jacob Schiff is known to have donated at least $20 million to the Bolshevik revolution. However, other prominent Wall Street interests, both on the Rockefeller and Morgan side, proceeded to take the Bolshevik cause as their own, investing heavily in it.

Antony Sutton's works are very well-researched and quite enlightening primer on the subject.
21 posted on 05/20/2014 2:07:36 PM PDT by PieterCasparzen (We have to fix things ourselves)
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To: Pharmboy

Agreed. Makes sense. Thanks so much for posting this!

Winston Churchill called Jews, “..the most formidable and the most remarkable race which has ever appeared in the world.”
This too^^^

Anecdotally, a friend of mine married a Jewish girl and made the same observation to me (first time I ever encountered that particular concept)...this was years ago, pre-internets.


22 posted on 05/20/2014 2:07:58 PM PDT by spankalib ("I freed a thousand slaves. I could have freed a thousand more if only they knew they were slaves.")
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To: Pharmboy
That confirms the Russian saying, “You can take a Jew out of socialism but you cannot take socialism out of a Jew.”

I'm wondering how much of it comes from a desire for a strong central government, as a protector of Jews. Somewhat how during the Middle Ages the safest position was to be a Court Jew to the King or a nobleman.

23 posted on 05/20/2014 2:13:12 PM PDT by PapaBear3625 (You don't notice it's a police state until the police come for you.)
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To: Pharmboy
The more I read this article, the less impressed I am.

Speaking of which, the 1917 Bolshevik revolution in Russia that brought so much suffering to the people of Russia, including Jews, was in fact a Jewish revolution. Based upon socialist theories developed by a Jewish philosopher and economist, Karl Marx, the principal inspiration, organization, and driving power of the revolution came from Jewish leaders. Most of them changed their Jewish names to Russian ones to conceal their Jewishness, such as Trotsky (Bronstein), Zinoviev (Apelbaum), Kamenev (Rosenfeldt), Sverdlov (Rubenstine), Larine, Uritsky, Steclov (Nakhamkes), all of whom later assumed major positions in Lenin’s government. In effect, Jews founded and shaped the Soviet state. Yet these same Jewish Bolsheviks quickly became the first victims of the Soviet state. Over the next twenty years, by 1937, practically all of them had become targets of Stalin’s repressions and were executed or murdered abroad, like Leon Trotsky. Still, they would not abandon their devotion to socialism.

Calling the Russian Revolution a "Jewish revolution" is a gross exaggeration (and one that Hitler liked to claim). Many of the Russian Bolsheviks were either Jewish or of Jewish ancestry, but the majority were not. Aside from Trotsky, the others named in this paragraph were minor players. And it is not hard to imagine why many Jews supported the Russian Revolution, because the Tsarist governments of Russia were virulently (and very often violently) antisemitic.

Jews passionately supported and continue to admire FDR, who denied entry for Jews seeking asylum from Nazi extermination just before World War II. The most telling is the tragedy of the German ocean liner MS St. Louis, whose captain, Gustav Schroder, tried to save 937 German Jewish refugees after they were denied entry to Cuba, by bringing his ship to Miami only to learn that the U.S. refused his Jewish passengers a safe harbor.

True, but only because U.S. immigration laws did not permit any more refugees to enter.

24 posted on 05/20/2014 2:35:03 PM PDT by Lurking Libertarian (Non sub homine, sed sub Deo et lege)
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To: babble-on

Yes indeed. Been researching this issue for a long time.


25 posted on 05/20/2014 2:36:39 PM PDT by NFHale (The Second Amendment - By Any Means Necessary.)
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To: Lurking Libertarian
My parents told me that American Jews of their generation considered Republicans antisemitic because the Democrats in the 1930s tried to lift immigration quotas to allow Jews from Europe to enter America and the Republicans blocked them.

From the article (boldface added):

Jews passionately supported and continue to admire FDR, who denied entry for Jews seeking asylum from Nazi extermination just before World War II. The most telling is the tragedy of the German ocean liner MS St. Louis, whose captain, Gustav Schroder, tried to save 937 German Jewish refugees after they were denied entry to Cuba, by bringing his ship to Miami only to learn that the U.S. refused his Jewish passengers a safe harbor. Finally the Jews were accepted by various European countries and eventually ended up in Auschwitz and Sóbibor, where half of them perished. By refusing to allow Jews to enter the United States Roosevelt offered Hitler a propaganda coup: justification of the persecution of Jews. The Nazis could say that they were not alone in their hatred of Jews; the rest of the world, and especially the United States, did not want them either. Nevertheless, Jews voted for FDR and still love him—after all, the New Deal was a giant step toward socialism.

26 posted on 05/20/2014 2:43:03 PM PDT by cynwoody
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To: cynwoody

Yes, I read that paragraph. But Roosevelt didn’t allow that ship to land because the immigration quotas set by Congress for that year had already been filled.


27 posted on 05/20/2014 2:45:30 PM PDT by Lurking Libertarian (Non sub homine, sed sub Deo et lege)
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To: Pharmboy

Funny how the most bigoted politicians who are Anti-Jew are Democrats & leftists. Even the existence of Israel is a boil on their skin.

Yet, we have nothing but Hellenized Jews voting in massive waves for the Dems. This fact is more puzzling than white guilt.


28 posted on 05/20/2014 2:53:58 PM PDT by Roman_War_Criminal (Bible Summary in a few verses: John 14:6, John 6:29, Romans 10:9-10)
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To: Kenny Bunk

That’s a real question.


29 posted on 05/20/2014 3:01:34 PM PDT by OldNewYork
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To: Lurking Libertarian
The author is also wrong to describe Karl Marx as a Jew (although Hitler did like to call him that). Marx's grandparents were Jews, but his parents converted to Lutheranism before Karl's birth. Marx never identified as a Jew, and his writings are full of anti-semitism.

That is a little overly neat isn't it?

Wikipedia describes it as long line of Rabbis, with Rabbis on both sides of the family, and Karl's mother being Jewish, and his father having converted to avoid persecution, but also choosing a Jewish wife, who did not convert.

30 posted on 05/20/2014 3:11:50 PM PDT by ansel12 ((Ted Cruz and Mike Lee-both of whom sit on the Senate Judiciary Comm as Ginsberg's importance fades)
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To: cynwoody

A quick internet search tells me that that paragraph is another thing the author got wrong. The St. Louis never even attempted to enter the U.S., because the Immigration Act of 1924 barred those refugees; the ship was turned away from Cuba and Canada before being returned to Europe.


31 posted on 05/20/2014 3:14:13 PM PDT by Lurking Libertarian (Non sub homine, sed sub Deo et lege)
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To: Lurking Libertarian
My parents told me that American Jews of their generation considered Republicans antisemitic because the Democrats in the 1930s tried to lift immigration quotas to allow Jews from Europe to enter America and the Republicans blocked them. (I don't know if that was in fact true; if it was, it may have had more to do with immigration policy in general than with anti-semitism.

The Jewish vote has always been anti-republican, since long before that, and in fact, when they could find a party to the left of the big eastern city democrats, then they went with it, for instance in 1920 America, the Socialist party won 38% of the Jewish vote, while only winning 3% of the overall vote.

32 posted on 05/20/2014 3:17:32 PM PDT by ansel12 ((Ted Cruz and Mike Lee-both of whom sit on the Senate Judiciary Comm as Ginsberg's importance fades)
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To: cynwoody; Lurking Libertarian

In regards to the Saint Louis and Jews in Europe and FDR, he just kept doing better among Jewish voters.

“1939 letter found, plea to FDR to save Jewish kids”

That was in 1939, as was the St. Louis, FDR won 82% of the Jewish vote in 1932, 85% in 1936, 90% in 1940, and 90% in 1944.

Catholics voted for FDR 85% in 1932, 81% in 1936, 73% in 1940, and 73% in 1944.

Protestants barely voted for him in 1932 and 1936 and voted against him in 1940 and 1944.


33 posted on 05/20/2014 3:21:45 PM PDT by ansel12 ((Ted Cruz and Mike Lee-both of whom sit on the Senate Judiciary Comm as Ginsberg's importance fades)
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To: ansel12

Marx was not raised as Jewish; he never considered himself Jewish; and he railed against Jews and Judaism in his writings, especially in his antisemitic essay “On the Jewish Question.” He was certainly of Jewish ancestry, but calling him a “Jew” is something Hitler did.


34 posted on 05/20/2014 3:22:00 PM PDT by Lurking Libertarian (Non sub homine, sed sub Deo et lege)
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To: x
Most people probably vote in any given election for the same party they voted for in the last election and the one before that. It takes time for people to change their minds.

Not really, blacks switched in a single election, until 1932 they voted one way, and then switched to the opposite in 1936.

Conservative democrats switched fairly quickly.

The Jews are not voting liberal because of habit.

35 posted on 05/20/2014 3:25:20 PM PDT by ansel12 ((Ted Cruz and Mike Lee-both of whom sit on the Senate Judiciary Comm as Ginsberg's importance fades)
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To: Lurking Libertarian

If he was a positive historical figure, you would have a difficult time proving that he wasn’t Jewish, in fact, you would be attacked for denying it.


36 posted on 05/20/2014 3:27:32 PM PDT by ansel12 ((Ted Cruz and Mike Lee-both of whom sit on the Senate Judiciary Comm as Ginsberg's importance fades)
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To: PapaBear3625
I'm wondering how much of it comes from a desire for a strong central government, as a protector of Jews. Somewhat how during the Middle Ages the safest position was to be a Court Jew to the King or a nobleman.

Are American Jews genetically programmed and immune to politics, and American life?

Don't you think they are just people who keep up with the news and the issues of the day, and vote accordingly?

37 posted on 05/20/2014 3:31:57 PM PDT by ansel12 ((Ted Cruz and Mike Lee-both of whom sit on the Senate Judiciary Comm as Ginsberg's importance fades)
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To: pbmaltzman

Libertarianism isn’t much of a change, it is a leftwing ideology that supports conservative economics, an oxymoron, because social liberalism is anti-God, anti-American, anti-conservative, and breeds more liberal voters, it dooms conservative economics, and only leads to larger government and social programs.


38 posted on 05/20/2014 3:36:32 PM PDT by ansel12 ((Ted Cruz and Mike Lee-both of whom sit on the Senate Judiciary Comm as Ginsberg's importance fades)
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To: Pharmboy
Jews are brilliant at every form of human endeavor - law, medicine, business, the arts, engineering, science, etc - except politics.
39 posted on 05/20/2014 3:44:50 PM PDT by quadrant (1o)
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To: Lurking Libertarian; Pharmboy; Yaelle; ml/nj; firebrand; juliej; rmlew; montag813; Kaslin; ...
The author is also wrong to describe Karl Marx as a Jew (although Hitler did like to call him that). Marx's grandparents were Jews, but his parents converted to Lutheranism before Karl's birth. Marx never identified as a Jew, and his writings are full of anti-semitism.

Exactly! I was going to make the same very important point. (There's more than enough anti-Semitism out there without having Marx falsely thrown around as a purported "Jew".)

Although I'm in general agreement with the posted Alex Markovsky piece, there are some other errors of fact and history in it that could stand correction:

(1)"Social justice," a term devised by Marx himself, does NOT square with the traditional Jewish concept of charity (to be given by the Jew privately to those (mainly Jewish) less fortunate. The traditional Jewish concept of charity is NOT a governmental function. Nor does the Jewish concept of "justice" mesh with the Marxist "social justice" concept. The traditional Jewish concept is of "righteous" justice, not of a centralized coercive government robbing one person to give to another to make for (false) "equality."

(2) Contrary to the posted piece, the large majority of Jews in Nazi Germany did NOT vote for the Nazi Party.

(3) Though the percentage of Jews in the original Soviet government exceeded the percentage in the general population, it's quite an exaggeration to call the Russian Revolution of 1917 a "Jewish Revolution." In fact, the regime was marked by anti-Semitism from its onset.

(4)To state that "Republicans do not care about Jewish interests because Jews do not vote for them regardless..." is bordering on insanity. Even in 2012, about a third of all Jewish voters voted Republican, even according to 'Rat-run polls. Maybe the writer never saw the GOP presidential primary debates, the GOP national convention, or the GOP platform, but there were obviously appeals there to pro-Israel voters, Jewish and Christian. The Democrats, by contrast, couldn't even agree that Jerusalem was Israel's capital.

40 posted on 05/20/2014 3:46:39 PM PDT by justiceseeker93
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To: justiceseeker93

Re Marx’s “Jewishness,” being Jewish is more than professing a religion. It is also an ethnicity. And denying one’s Jewishness, or being self-loathing does not turn one into a gentile.


41 posted on 05/20/2014 3:54:19 PM PDT by luvbach1 (We are finished. It will just take a while before everyone realizes it.)
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To: justiceseeker93

Ethnic Jews are still descendants of Judah, the fourth son of Jacob (Israel), no matter what religion they may profess. AFAICS, Adolf targeted Jews by both ethnicity and religion.


42 posted on 05/20/2014 3:56:01 PM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: Lurking Libertarian
A quick internet search tells me that that paragraph is another thing the author got wrong. The St. Louis never even attempted to enter the U.S., because the Immigration Act of 1924 barred those refugees; the ship was turned away from Cuba and Canada before being returned to Europe.

According to this page from the Holocaust Museum,

Sailing so close to Florida that they could see the lights of Miami, some passengers on the St. Louis cabled President Franklin D. Roosevelt asking for refuge. Roosevelt never responded. The State Department and the White House had decided not to take extraordinary measures to permit the refugees to enter the United States. A State Department telegram sent to a passenger stated that the passengers must "await their turns on the waiting list and qualify for and obtain immigration visas before they may be admissible into the United States." US diplomats in Havana intervened once more with the Cuban government to admit the passengers on a "humanitarian" basis, but without success.

FDR's action was supposedly based on the 1924 law.

But did he have the power to override the law on humanitarian grounds, and did he choose to forgo its exercise? It appears he did. In August 1940, the Portugese freighter Quanza, a ship filled with over 300 passengers, including 83 Jewish refugees fleeing from France, was allowed to dock in Norfolk, Virginia. Asylum was granted to all passengers — many of whom at the time believed they had to return to Europe, and the Nazis. Eleanor probably deserves some credit for the policy change.

43 posted on 05/20/2014 3:57:34 PM PDT by cynwoody
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To: justiceseeker93

Sadly, I believe his mother was Jewish.

Not that it matters under Jewish law, but his mother converted 7 years after Karl was born.

Karl was, indeed, baptized Lutheran at a young age, was reasonably active in church, and had zero Jewish education.

(I have read to the contrary, that his mother was not Jewish and his father converted in order to marry her, which would make Marx not Jewish.)


44 posted on 05/20/2014 4:10:35 PM PDT by Jewbacca (The residents of Iroquois territory may not determine whether Jews may live in Jerusalem)
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To: Pharmboy

Many claim social justice as religion

If only it were that simple but its just an excuse nowadays to do what comes natural to humans


45 posted on 05/20/2014 4:19:51 PM PDT by wardaddy (we will not take back our way of life through peaceful means.....i have 5 kids....i fear for them)
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To: ansel12
Not really, blacks switched in a single election, until 1932 they voted one way, and then switched to the opposite in 1936.

1) Most of the country -- White or Black -- was behind FDR in 1936.

2) Most Blacks in large parts of the country couldn't vote then. If African-Americans had the vote across the country and had held office in states where they couldn't, those numbers might have been different.

3) FDR was personally popular with Blacks and won their votes, but it took time for African-Americans to fully embrace the Democratic Party. In FDR's time, African-Americans went from identifying strongly with Republicans to identifying 50% with the Republicans and 50% with the Democrats. It would be another 20 years before African-Americans registered overwhelmingly with the Democrats. Eisenhower and Nixon won over a third of the Black vote when they ran.

Conservative democrats switched fairly quickly.

It depends on what you mean by "fairly quickly." From when to when? Southerners who had complaints about FDR still voted for Stevenson, Kennedy, maybe Johnson, definitely Carter. That's not "fairly quickly" in my book. Things are even more unclear with the less liberal Northern Democrats, who might have swung to Nixon or Reagan, but who swung back in later elections (or died).

My point, though, was that people can come up with all kinds of theories why Jews vote Democrat, but it's very unlikely that they'd swing to McCain (in a very Democrat) year or Romney because of Obama's Muslim heritage or because he was liberal or progressive. If you've been a convinced liberal for decades, you aren't going to run away because of one candidate.

True, Jimmy Carter did do a lot to drive Jews away from the Democrats, but even though Obama may be as bad as Carter there are reasons why he has better control of his base -- White or Black.

46 posted on 05/20/2014 4:20:31 PM PDT by x
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To: Lurking Libertarian

LL: I don’t have any books here at the office on the Russian Revolution, but there were two, the Kerensky Revolution and the Lenin Revolution, basically occurring at the same time.

What someone needs to do is to see how many Russian Jews supported Kerensky, who I believe was more of a democratic socialist, but definitely not a marxist.

Interestingly, two people I knew summed up personal experiences with Russian Communism. The first man was the Pulitzer Prise winning writer Isaac Don Levine, who covered the Russian Revolution as a journalist, and who later brought admitted Soviet spy Whittaker Chambers to AA Berle in the White House.

He warned the world of the threat of communism.

Meanwhile, in the US, a man named Marx Lewis (he was named after Karl Marx), took at stand. I once asked him when he first became an anti-communist, and he said, Nov. 4, 1917. He was one of the Jewish anti-communist labor leaders (Hatters Union) in the US, along with his friend Arthur McDowell, and others.

Both spent a lifetime fighting tyranny from the Communists to the Nazis, and the Japanese thrown in too. Both were Jewish and proud of it and both loved America. They were later joined by Morrie Ryskind and other Jews/non-Jews in the Screen Writers Guild who fought the Reds in Hollywood (along with Ronald Reagan, John Wayne, Ward Bond, Adolph Manjeou (sp.?, a man named Barron?, and others.

The old AFL-CIO of George Meaney had many Jewish labor leaders/staffers who successfully fought and crippled the Reds in the labor movement (including Jay Lovestone and his fellow ex-reds, among others).

By the way, the largest contingent in the founding, leadership and membership of the Communist Party USA were from Scandinavia, esp. Finland, according to research provided to Congress by the late Herb Romerstein (and published in House Internal Security Committee hearings, esp. The Theory and Practice of Communism in US Labor, about 1971.

Herb was once the youngest member of the CPUSA, left it because he saw through its lies and bullshit, served in the Korean War, and later devoted his professional career as a govt internal security investigator to exposing communism in the US. He was also the author/co-author of several of the top books on Communism - Venona (with Eric Breindel); Soviet spies (with Stan Evans; the Made-in-Moscow “International Brigades” of the Spanish Civil War, and most of the “Theory and Practice” hearings of HISC, among many other works.

Not all Jews were leftists and many of us who started out as family Democrats learned real fast that the Dems were often the enemies of America, not it supporters (McGovern, Abzug, Dellums, Conyers, all the way to Obama, Axelrod (and his red mentors), Pelois and Reid).

Today, American Jews are among the leadership of the conservative movement across America and in the conservative media. Names like Horowitz, Klein (many), Goldberg, Kesler, King, Chesler, Byren, Rozeman, Kristol, Krouthammer, Mark Levin, etc.

We know who the enemy is and we will not be silent about exposing them.

We also are working hard on getting our misled and undereducated religious brethern to wake up before it is the 1930’s all over again (a time of blindness and pisspoor Jewish leadership).


47 posted on 05/20/2014 4:37:13 PM PDT by MadMax, the Grinning Reaper
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To: x

The fact is that Jews have never voted republican, and it isn’t because of your bizarre claim about them being in La La land politically and just voting the same for a 150 years out of habit.

Actually you claimed that everyone takes forever to “change”, which just isn’t true at all.

You can’t ignore the facts about blacks for instance, until 1932, they always voted republican, in 1936 they made an instant, and permanent switch.

In 1932 the black vote being republican, gave the democrats the unsurprising 23%, and in 1936, they made the instant and permanent switch, suddenly going 71% democrat, and staying there.


48 posted on 05/20/2014 4:38:36 PM PDT by ansel12 ((Ted Cruz and Mike Lee-both of whom sit on the Senate Judiciary Comm as Ginsberg's importance fades)
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To: cynwoody
But did he have the power to override the law on humanitarian grounds, and did he choose to forgo its exercise? It appears he did.

The man who became president for life, was hardly known as timid with his presidential power. If he rejected them, then he rejected them on purpose.

49 posted on 05/20/2014 4:43:49 PM PDT by ansel12 ((Ted Cruz and Mike Lee-both of whom sit on the Senate Judiciary Comm as Ginsberg's importance fades)
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; cardinal4; ColdOne; ...
Thanks Pharmboy.
We are remarkable all right. When you have a smart Jew he predominates with his intellectual prowess over the rest of the human race, but when you have a dumb Jew, he is an insult to human intelligence. As a Jew, I was perplexed which of those remarkable Jewish-Americans voted for Obama in 2008; to me, it was completely obvious that the alternative choices for president in 2008 were clear and unambiguous... The old saw, “There are two types of Jews—those who believe that Judaism is about social justice and those who know Hebrew,” contains more than a kernel of truth. By and large, orthodox Jews voted for McCain in 2008 and for Romney in 2012.

50 posted on 05/20/2014 4:54:13 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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