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The Pope, Israel PR And Christ Killed By Jews
Israel News Agency ^ | May 21, 2014 | Joel Leyden

Posted on 05/21/2014 5:12:03 PM PDT by IsraelBeach

The Pope, Israel PR And Christ Killed By Jews

By Joel Leyden
Israel News Agency

After living in Israel for over 25 years and consulting the government on both public relations and public affairs, I may have truly found the major source of conflict against the Jews and Israel.

It took coming to the US for three years and seeing the United States as an Israeli and as an American. You see, we don't have anti-semitism in Israel. We only have war. Anti-semitism is much more covert. Much like an iceberg, only a very small part is visible to the eye. In fact, the ADL recently revealed that one of four people worldwide hold anti-semitic views. But most are silent about it and keep it to their family and friends.

It was about one year ago that I went to exchange some money at a very well known, commercial money wire company that I heard it. As I was waiting for my change, the clerk said to me: "don't worry, I won't Jew you down." I have heard of this expression being used but never had my own ears receive it. This combat solder from the IDF does not tolerate attacks on Jews. I had to ask her again what she said. "Don't worry, I won't Jew you down." With that I responded: "If you made that comment to a Jew, I think they would find it very offensive."

With that her face turned white. She was visibly embarrassed and explained that it was "just a saying." I believed her. But such a racist attack which has become "just a saying" is about as dangerous as it gets.

When you live in Israel, you read about anti-semitism. You don't experience it. When living in the US or Europe, you might just see it. But where does it come from?

As Pope Francis is about to arrive in Israel, the Israeli government, in particular, Prime Minister Netanyahu have a very special opportunity. Netanyahu should reguest that the Pope denounce any belief that the Jews killed Christ.

Actually, it is not a rumor, but is written in the New Testament.

In the Gospel of John, the phrase "the Jews" is used at least nine times to denote those who encouraged and assisted in Jesus' execution. In the Book of Matthew (27: 25-26) the Jews accept responsibility for the execution. When the Roman Governor Pontius Pilate hesitates over deciding Jesus' fate, the Jews assembled before Pilate demand that Jesus be crucified, proclaiming "His blood be on us, and on our children." It is these words that Catholics and Christians are taught. And our Islamic enemies attempt to divide Christian and Jew with these words.

We have no greater friends in the world than modern day Christians. Just look at the millions who belong to the Facebook group: "Christians United For Israel".

If the Pope can openly denounce this blood libel, and state that these gospels are not accurate, it would bring much more harmony between Jews and Christians and could eliminate much of the source of anti-semetism.

To have Pope Francis denounce Jews killed Christ would follow and reinforce a precedent. Several Christian denominations have denounced the claim that the Jews killed Christ. In 1965, the Second Vatican Council issued the Nostra Autate statement, which declare that "what happened in His [Jesus'] passion cannot be charged against all the Jews, without distinction, then alive, nor against the Jews of today."

If Pope Francis can openly declare to all publishers and teachers of the bible to delete those sentences which condemn the Jewish nation, then we will see a more peaceful world. Less hate, more understanding and support for the democratic State of Israel.

After all, there is no nation in the Middle East which is more democratic and tolerant to Christianity, and openly enforces the basic, human right of freedom of religion.

Joel Leyden is the publisher of the Israel News Agency and operates IsraelPr.com, JewishPr.co


TOPICS: Government; Politics; Religion; Society
KEYWORDS: israel; jewish; popefrancis; pr

1 posted on 05/21/2014 5:12:03 PM PDT by IsraelBeach
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To: IsraelBeach

“You see, we don’t have anti-semitism in Israel.”

False. http://www.theguardian.com/world/2007/sep/10/israel.internationalcrime


2 posted on 05/21/2014 5:15:18 PM PDT by vladimir998
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To: IsraelBeach

“If Pope Francis can openly declare to all publishers and teachers of the bible to delete those sentences which condemn the Jewish nation, then we will see a more peaceful world.”

The author of this article is a moron.


3 posted on 05/21/2014 5:18:39 PM PDT by vladimir998
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To: vladimir998
The author of this article is a moron.

Kinda figured that out myself when he mentioned the ADL who are a lot like the SPLC for Jews.
4 posted on 05/21/2014 5:22:43 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin.)
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To: IsraelBeach

Romans 11

1 I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin.

2 God hath not cast away his people which he foreknew. Wot ye not what the scripture saith of Elias? how he maketh intercession to God against Israel saying,

3 Lord, they have killed thy prophets, and digged down thine altars; and I am left alone, and they seek my life.

4 But what saith the answer of God unto him? I have reserved to myself seven thousand men, who have not bowed the knee to the image of Baal.

5 Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.

6 And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then it is no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.

7 What then? Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh for; but the election hath obtained it, and the rest were blinded.

8 (According as it is written, God hath given them the spirit of slumber, eyes that they should not see, and ears that they should not hear;) unto this day.

9 And David saith, Let their table be made a snare, and a trap, and a stumblingblock, and a recompence unto them:

10 Let their eyes be darkened, that they may not see, and bow down their back alway.

11 I say then, Have they stumbled that they should fall? God forbid: but rather through their fall salvation is come unto the Gentiles, for to provoke them to jealousy.

12 Now if the fall of them be the riches of the world, and the diminishing of them the riches of the Gentiles; how much more their fulness?

13 For I speak to you Gentiles, inasmuch as I am the apostle of the Gentiles, I magnify mine office:

14 If by any means I may provoke to emulation them which are my flesh, and might save some of them.

15 For if the casting away of them be the reconciling of the world, what shall the receiving of them be, but life from the dead?

16 For if the firstfruit be holy, the lump is also holy: and if the root be holy, so are the branches.

17 And if some of the branches be broken off, and thou, being a wild olive tree, wert grafted in among them, and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree;

18 Boast not against the branches. But if thou boast, thou bearest not the root, but the root thee.

19 Thou wilt say then, The branches were broken off, that I might be grafted in.

20 Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear:

21 For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee.

22 Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.

23 And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be grafted in: for God is able to graft them in again.

24 For if thou wert cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and wert grafted contrary to nature into a good olive tree: how much more shall these, which be the natural branches, be grafted into their own olive tree?

25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.

26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:

27 For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.

28 As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the father’s sakes.

29 For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance.

30 For as ye in times past have not believed God, yet have now obtained mercy through their unbelief:

31 Even so have these also now not believed, that through your mercy they also may obtain mercy.

32 For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that he might have mercy upon all.

33 O the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God! how unsearchable are his judgments, and his ways past finding out!

34 For who hath known the mind of the Lord? or who hath been his counsellor?

35 Or who hath first given to him, and it shall be recompensed unto him again?

36 For of him, and through him, and to him, are all things: to whom be glory for ever. Amen.


5 posted on 05/21/2014 5:25:31 PM PDT by PieterCasparzen (We have to fix things ourselves)
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To: IsraelBeach
If the Pope can openly denounce this blood libel, and state that these gospels are not accurate, it would bring much more harmony between Jews and Christians and could eliminate much of the source of anti-semetism. To have Pope Francis denounce Jews killed Christ would follow and reinforce a precedent. Several Christian denominations have denounced the claim that the Jews killed Christ. In 1965, the Second Vatican Council issued the Nostra Autate statement, which declare that "what happened in His [Jesus'] passion cannot be charged against all the Jews, without distinction, then alive, nor against the Jews of today." If Pope Francis can openly declare to all publishers and teachers of the bible to delete those sentences which condemn the Jewish nation, then we will see a more peaceful world. Less hate, more understanding and support for the democratic State of Israel.

So this fool wants us to declare the Gospels "inaccurate"? And didn't the Gentiles have a pretty strong part in the crucifixion too?

6 posted on 05/21/2014 5:26:23 PM PDT by Greetings_Puny_Humans (I mostly come out at night... mostly.)
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To: IsraelBeach

~~~We have no greater friends in the world than modern day Christians~~~

That is certainly true. I would say ‘Bible-believing Christians’.

For there are liberals on the loose.


7 posted on 05/21/2014 5:26:42 PM PDT by F15Eagle (1Jn4:15;5:4-5,11-13;Mt27:50-54;Mk15:33-34;Jn3:17-18,6:69,11:25,14:6,20:31;Ro10:8-11;1Tm2:5-6;Ti3:4-7)
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To: IsraelBeach

I have always supported Israel, but this is just silly.

Of course the Jews participated in killing Jesus.

On the other hand, of course Jesus was also a Jew.

The basic disagreement was whether or not Jesus was the promised Messiah of the Jews, or whether his claims were blasphemous.

Obviously, Pontius Pilate and the Romans played a part. But Pilate wanted to let Jesus off. The Jews insisted that He should be killed for blasphemy. That is NOT, however, an excuse for anti-Semitism. All sinners—before and since— have some responsibility in causing the death of Jesus.

Sorry, just a brief summary. But it’s silly to say that the Bible misspoke.


8 posted on 05/21/2014 5:27:53 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: vladimir998
Why a moron? The Vatican and others have denounced the killing of Christ by Jews in the past.

Several Christian denominations have denounced the claim that the Jews killed Christ. In 1965, the Second Vatican Council issued the Nostra Autate statement, which declare that "what happened in His [Jesus'] passion cannot be charged against all the Jews, without distinction, then alive, nor against the Jews of today."

In 1964, the General Convention of the Episcopal Church declared, "We reject the charge of deicide against the Jews and condemn antisemitism." Other denominations, including the Council of the Evangelical Lutheran Church and the Alliance of Baptists, while not explicitly addressing the charge of deicide, have issued statements regretting "interpreting our sacred writings in such a way that we have created enemies of the Jewish people."

9 posted on 05/21/2014 5:28:31 PM PDT by IsraelBeach
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To: IsraelBeach
Actually it was the ROMANS that did the deed!
10 posted on 05/21/2014 5:29:53 PM PDT by rawcatslyentist (Jeremiah 50:32 "The arrogant one will stumble and fall ; / ?)
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To: vladimir998
We have no greater friends in the world than modern day Christians. Just look at the millions who belong to the Facebook group: "Christians United For Israel".

That's because "modern day Christians" understand that someone that could raise himself from the dead was not able to be held to a cross by a couple of nails. It was his love for all mankind, and all our individual sins. As we say, if you want to blame someone for Jesus's death blame me, it was my sin he was paying for on that cross.

11 posted on 05/21/2014 5:32:58 PM PDT by D Rider (Don't give sharp objects to small children)
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To: IsraelBeach

Well, Jesus was a Jew. John the Evengelist was a Jew as were the Apostles and disciples. Any study Bible will note in the footnotes that when John referred to the Jews, he was referring to the Jewish leaders who felt threatened by the presence of Jesus and wanted him executed. They feared Jesus because they believed that if his popularity among the people continued to advance that the power and livelihood of the Pharisees, Saducees and Sanhedrin would be threatened. Maybe the author should take a New Testament Bible course to learn the true meaning of the written words.

As to there being no antisemitism in Israel, I sure noticed evidence of it when I visited Israel.


12 posted on 05/21/2014 5:36:56 PM PDT by CdMGuy
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To: IsraelBeach

But they have never deleted sections of the bible that Jews find distasteful.


13 posted on 05/21/2014 5:49:34 PM PDT by Wyrd bið ful aræd (Pope Calvin the 1st, defacto Leader of the FR Calvinist Protestant Brigades)
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To: rawcatslyentist

“Actually it was the ROMANS that did the deed!”

It has been decided by the FAA that the crucifixion was Pilate error.


14 posted on 05/21/2014 5:50:58 PM PDT by Holdem Or Foldem (Life isn't fair, so wear a cup.)
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To: IsraelBeach

It wasn’t the Jews who killed Jesus but the “perfidious” Jews. The unfaithful, deceitful bad Jews. Not the good faithful Jews. It was those like Judas whose religion had become politics.

In addition to Jesus most of His followers were Jews, they didn’t kill Jesus.

There are perfidious Jews, Christians, Muslims, Agnostics, Dimocrats, Hindus....walking the earth at any given time. They would kill Jesus again if they could.


15 posted on 05/21/2014 5:51:56 PM PDT by tiki
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To: IsraelBeach

“Why a moron?”

The moron who wrote the article called for this: “If Pope Francis can openly declare to all publishers and teachers of the bible to delete those sentences which condemn the Jewish nation, then we will see a more peaceful world.”

In other words, the moron wants the Pope - THE POPE - to encourage Bible “publishers and teachers” TO DELETE VERSES FROM THE BIBLE. Do you not see why that would make the author a moron? Would a man be anything less than a moron for saying, “Jews should delete Psalm 137:9 from their Bibles because ‘Happy is the one who seizes your infants and dashes them against the rocks’ is too shocking for modern sensibilities.”


16 posted on 05/21/2014 5:54:12 PM PDT by vladimir998
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To: IsraelBeach

Christianity came out of Israel. To say Jews killed Christ is stupid. Yashua was prophesied to be killed. Technically it was Rome who killed Him. From Pontius Pilate who condemned Him to the Roman soldiers who nailed Him to the cross.


17 posted on 05/21/2014 5:54:50 PM PDT by SkyDancer (I Believe In The Law Until It Intereferes With Justice. And Pay Your Liberty Tax Citizen.)
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To: IsraelBeach; dcwusmc; Jed Eckert; Recovering Ex-hippie; KingOfVagabonds; Berlin_Freeper; ...

“If the Pope can openly denounce this blood libel, and state that these gospels are not accurate, it would bring much more harmony between Jews and Christians and could eliminate much of the source of anti-[sic]semetism.”


18 posted on 05/21/2014 5:56:52 PM PDT by narses (Matthew 7:6. He appears to have made up his mind let him live with the consequences.)
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To: Cicero; IsraelBeach

Articles like this are intended to stir things up.

They are written as a rejection of Christ.

I posted Romans 11 above, which explains the Christian doctrine on Jews who do not believe on Jesus Christ.

The reference “the Jews” in the context of Christ’s crucifixion means much of the Jewish leadership at that time, not “the Jews” in general, as in all Jews. It refers to the set of leaders at the time, those individuals who made the decision, as well as others who did not believe at that time.

Of course, Jesus’ early followers were mostly all Jews.

Romans 11 clearly states that it was and is all part of God’s plan, a wonderful gift of grace that:

Rom 11:11 “I say then, Have they stumbled that they should fall? God forbid: but rather through their fall salvation is come unto the Gentiles, for to provoke them to jealousy.”

Then, speaking to gentiles:

“30 For as ye in times past have not believed God, yet have now obtained mercy through their unbelief:

31 Even so have these also now not believed, that through your mercy they also may obtain mercy.”

That about says it all; it will glorify God as Jews come to hear the gospel and believe in Christ Jesus as their Lord and Savior. Gentiles only obtained mercy through the Christ’s perfect atoning sacrifice, without which we would be damned. Christians then ought to remember and be merciful in preaching the gospel and thereby Jews can also obtain mercy. The gospel is to be preached to all the nations, as it is written:

Psalm 22

“1 My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me? why art thou so far from helping me, and from the words of my roaring?

2 O my God, I cry in the day time, but thou hearest not; and in the night season, and am not silent.

3 But thou art holy, O thou that inhabitest the praises of Israel.

4 Our fathers trusted in thee: they trusted, and thou didst deliver them.

5 They cried unto thee, and were delivered: they trusted in thee, and were not confounded.

6 But I am a worm, and no man; a reproach of men, and despised of the people.

7 All they that see me laugh me to scorn: they shoot out the lip, they shake the head, saying,

8 He trusted on the Lord that he would deliver him: let him deliver him, seeing he delighted in him.

9 But thou art he that took me out of the womb: thou didst make me hope when I was upon my mother’s breasts.

10 I was cast upon thee from the womb: thou art my God from my mother’s belly.

11 Be not far from me; for trouble is near; for there is none to help.

12 Many bulls have compassed me: strong bulls of Bashan have beset me round.

13 They gaped upon me with their mouths, as a ravening and a roaring lion.

14 I am poured out like water, and all my bones are out of joint: my heart is like wax; it is melted in the midst of my bowels.

15 My strength is dried up like a potsherd; and my tongue cleaveth to my jaws; and thou hast brought me into the dust of death.

16 For dogs have compassed me: the assembly of the wicked have inclosed me: they pierced my hands and my feet.

17 I may tell all my bones: they look and stare upon me.

18 They part my garments among them, and cast lots upon my vesture.

19 But be not thou far from me, O Lord: O my strength, haste thee to help me.

20 Deliver my soul from the sword; my darling from the power of the dog.

21 Save me from the lion’s mouth: for thou hast heard me from the horns of the unicorns.

22 I will declare thy name unto my brethren: in the midst of the congregation will I praise thee.

23 Ye that fear the Lord, praise him; all ye the seed of Jacob, glorify him; and fear him, all ye the seed of Israel.

24 For he hath not despised nor abhorred the affliction of the afflicted; neither hath he hid his face from him; but when he cried unto him, he heard.

25 My praise shall be of thee in the great congregation: I will pay my vows before them that fear him.

26 The meek shall eat and be satisfied: they shall praise the Lord that seek him: your heart shall live for ever.

27 All the ends of the world shall remember and turn unto the Lord: and all the kindreds of the nations shall worship before thee.

28 For the kingdom is the Lord’s: and he is the governor among the nations.

29 All they that be fat upon earth shall eat and worship: all they that go down to the dust shall bow before him: and none can keep alive his own soul.

30 A seed shall serve him; it shall be accounted to the Lord for a generation.

31 They shall come, and shall declare his righteousness unto a people that shall be born, that he hath done this.”

Of course, our Lord called our attention to this Psalm on the cross when he cried out:

Matthew 27:46 “And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani? that is to say, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me ?”


19 posted on 05/21/2014 6:00:33 PM PDT by PieterCasparzen (We have to fix things ourselves)
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To: D Rider
That's because "modern day Christians" understand that someone that could raise himself from the dead was not able to be held to a cross by a couple of nails. It was his love for all mankind, and all our individual sins. As we say, if you want to blame someone for Jesus's death blame me, it was my sin he was paying for on that cross.

Bingo.

20 posted on 05/21/2014 6:00:41 PM PDT by Riley (The Fourth Estate is the Fifth Column.)
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To: IsraelBeach
Could it simply be translation error ?
shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach

21 posted on 05/21/2014 6:01:19 PM PDT by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your teaching is my delight.)
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To: IsraelBeach

Why do you call Jesus “Christ”?


22 posted on 05/21/2014 6:19:04 PM PDT by Romulus
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To: Romulus

Does the author not know that it means God’s annointed ?


23 posted on 05/21/2014 6:22:48 PM PDT by PieterCasparzen (We have to fix things ourselves)
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To: D Rider

“That’s because “modern day Christians” understand that someone that could raise himself from the dead was not able to be held to a cross by a couple of nails. It was his love for all mankind, and all our individual sins. As we say, if you want to blame someone for Jesus’s death blame me, it was my sin he was paying for on that cross. “

Excellent! Exactly what I was taught as a child.


24 posted on 05/21/2014 6:24:13 PM PDT by kitkat (STORM HEAVEN WITH PRAYERS FOR OUR COUNTRY)
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To: vladimir998

No kidding!


25 posted on 05/21/2014 6:32:38 PM PDT by Mrs. Frogjerk
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To: IsraelBeach
As I was waiting for my change, the clerk said to me: "don't worry, I won't Jew you down." I have heard of this expression being used but never had my own ears receive it. This combat solder from the IDF does not tolerate attacks on Jews. I had to ask her again what she said. "Don't worry, I won't Jew you down." With that I responded: "If you made that comment to a Jew, I think they would find it very offensive."

This man is an over-sensitive idiot.

My father used this expression occasionally, not because of any intent to be offensive, or for that matter because of any anti-semitic animus, but because it was a common expression when he was growing up. He told me he was actually an adult before he realized that there was a connection between the verb "to jew" and the Jewish people.

Turning my dad into some kind of anti-semite because of a simple turn of phrase that is used with no ill intent at all is ludicrous.

I also doubt the author's story. I haven't heard this expression used, at least in public and unironically, for at least a decade.

The notion that something that is just a saying, and one that is archaic, somehow tells us something significant about America is truly idiotic.

26 posted on 05/21/2014 6:34:22 PM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: Cicero

Very well said!


27 posted on 05/21/2014 6:35:10 PM PDT by Mrs. Frogjerk
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To: IsraelBeach

The author is an idiot. He is attempting to foment anti-Semitism, not combat it.


28 posted on 05/21/2014 6:46:55 PM PDT by wideawake
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To: IsraelBeach
If the Pope can openly denounce this blood libel, and state that these gospels are not accurate, it would bring much more harmony between Jews and Christians and could eliminate much of the source of anti-semetism.

It isn't libel, if it's true. Not ALL of the Jews were complicit in Jesus's death, but some of the most important Jewish leaders of the day certainly were, and conspired with Rome to crucify Him. Just because some Jewish leaders were threatened by Jesus, and conspired to have him killed to make sure He didn't threaten them anymore, doesn't make me hate Jews of today. I frankly don't know any Christians who DO hate Jewish people, so it seems there hasn't been some sort of attempt by the Church to make me hate them.

29 posted on 05/21/2014 6:50:01 PM PDT by SuziQ
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To: Sherman Logan
For some strange reason, people thrive on being offended.

Except the Irish. They're too drunk to care.

30 posted on 05/21/2014 7:16:23 PM PDT by Wyrd bið ful aræd (Pope Calvin the 1st, defacto Leader of the FR Calvinist Protestant Brigades)
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To: IsraelBeach
The only people responsible for the substitutionary
death of the Lamb of G-d are those who have accepted
Yah'shua as their savior.
shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach

31 posted on 05/21/2014 7:21:48 PM PDT by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your teaching is my delight.)
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To: IsraelBeach

Antisemitic incidents have been a problem in Israel and have come from Russian, German and other cultures at various times. Promoting idolatry in any way is wrong.


32 posted on 05/21/2014 7:33:56 PM PDT by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of corruption smelled around the planet.)
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To: IsraelBeach

By the way, sentiments against the people of Israel will be stopped in time. Hopefully, that time will come soon. For those who are comfortable and afraid of toughening change, the coming of that time cannot be slowed. It can only be hastened by those who erroneously wish to put it off.


33 posted on 05/21/2014 7:48:59 PM PDT by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of corruption smelled around the planet.)
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To: Sherman Logan

Very true. It was common while I was growing up in the 1950s and ‘60s to hear some say “He jew’d me out of it!” No one I knew of had any idea it had anything thing to do with the Jewish people. We thought it was slang for gypped. We didn’t even know any Jewish people outside of the Bible.


34 posted on 05/21/2014 8:10:00 PM PDT by Inyo-Mono (NRA)
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To: Inyo-Mono
We thought it was slang for gypped.

Now that there is funny.

"Gypped" is of course equally an ethnic slur, on the Gypsies.

For some reason it's a good deal more common than "jew down" and widely considered less offensive.

My boss once, in a training session, casually used the term "Jewish lightning" to refer to arson.

Unfortunately for him, there were a couple of Jewish guys in the group we were training, and they went straight to the CEO of the company with their complaints. LOL

35 posted on 05/21/2014 8:17:36 PM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: Inyo-Mono
We thought it was slang for gypped.

Now that there is funny.

"Gypped" is of course equally an ethnic slur, on the Gypsies.

For some reason it's a good deal more common than "jew down" and widely considered less offensive.

My boss once, in a training session, casually used the term "Jewish lightning" to refer to arson.

Unfortunately for him, there were a couple of Jewish guys in the group we were training, and they went straight to the CEO of the company with their complaints. LOL

36 posted on 05/21/2014 8:19:35 PM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: PieterCasparzen
Articles like this are intended to stir things up.

100% correct. The writer surely knows that the Pope cannot simply strike out sentences from the Gospels. He is trolling for reactions.

37 posted on 05/21/2014 8:40:43 PM PDT by BlackVeil ('The past is never dead. It's not even past.' William Faulkner)
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To: IsraelBeach
well, firstly Jesus was Jewish, as were the Apostles and nearly all the first Christians. Christianity arises from Judaism

Secondly, blaming only Jews for the death of Jesus is a nice way to whitewash the blame -- truly speaking ALL of us: Jews, Christians, non-Christians etc. are the ones who killed Him with our sin

Looking at the purely temporal, then a Jewish crowd led by the Priestly council wanted this trouble-maker, possible heretic dead. They petitioned the Roman authority who actually carried out the Crucification.

Netanyahu should reguest that the Pope denounce any belief that the Jews killed Christ. -- earlier Popes have denounced the idea of blaming only Jews as "Christ killers" -- and that is correct.

38 posted on 05/22/2014 12:01:13 AM PDT by Cronos (ObamaÂ’s dislike of Assad is not based on AssadÂ’s brutality but that he isn't a jihadi Moslem)
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To: Sherman Logan
This man is an over-sensitive idiot. My father used this expression occasionally, not because of any intent to be offensive, or for that matter because of any anti-semitic animus, but because it was a common expression when he was growing up. He told me he was actually an adult before he realized that there was a connection between the verb "to jew" and the Jewish people.

The only thing worse than being a racist, is denying that one is a racist. You do not define someone by race. That it was a "common expression" is no excuse for using it. Are we to allow racist comments to become "common"?

The Nazis would also say that I was a "over-sensitive idiot". Try using this racist expression to someone wearing an Israel Defense Forces uniform.
Watch the words you use in everyday conversation and delete those words which offend or discriminate.

Educate people not to use hate speech!

39 posted on 05/22/2014 6:16:49 AM PDT by IsraelBeach
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To: IsraelBeach
The only thing worse than being a racist, is denying that one is a racist.

Being a racist, defined by you as occasionally using a racially-originating term without malicious intent, is the absolute worse thing a person can do, except of course for denying that one is a racist.

Really?

My Dad, occasionally using such a term without ill intent, was "worse than" a child molester, a mass murderer or a rapist? Do you really care to stick to your guns that being "a racist," especially by the very mild definition you insist on, is the very worst thing a person can be?

If so, perhaps you'd care to explain this remarkable assertion?

40 posted on 05/22/2014 6:33:53 AM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: Cicero

Cicero is correct.


41 posted on 05/22/2014 6:36:38 AM PDT by BonRad (The world is full of educated derelicts-Calvin Coolidge)
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To: Sherman Logan
The person who said to me that they would "not Jew me down" did not say this with ill intent either. I'm not saying that your father was a racist. But he could have used better terminology to articulate what he wanted to say.

We need to watch our words. They can cut deeper than a knife.

42 posted on 05/22/2014 6:39:24 AM PDT by IsraelBeach
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To: IsraelBeach
We need to watch our words. They can cut deeper than a knife.

Really?

Come back to me after you've actually been cut with a knife by someone with ill intent, then explain to me again how this young lady's poor choice of words cut deeper.

Are we to assign the same level of censorship to the terms gyp, go dutch, welsh on a bet, etc.? Is it horrible and racist and "cuts deeper than a knife" to recognize the general accuracy of the common sterotypes that Finns and Swedes are stolid and humorless, Scots are cheap, and Irishmen are often drunk? BTW, I carry the blood of all the groups I've mentioned here except the Finns and the Gypsies.

I have read some remarkably evil things said over the years by Jews about non-Jews. Should I extrapolate from these idiots to all Jews, as you seem to extrapolate from one non-malicious remark by an American to America in general?

Have you ever used the term "shiksa" to refer to a non-Jewish female? Are you familiar with the origin of this term? Do you consider someone using the term to be racist? Why or why not?

The Talmud has some highly unpleasant things to say about Christ and Christians. Should those passages be edited out because I'm offended? (I'm not, actually, just amused by some who can see only "offenses" committed against their group, not those their own group commits.)

To get back to "words cut deeper than a knife," what happened to "Sticks and stone can break my bones, but words will never hurt me?"

To my mind the words used by others have power to really hurt me only if I grant them that power. The only reason I can think of for doing so is to find a reason to continue to be racially or ethnically offended in a world, or at least a country, that is the most hospitable to Jews in probably their entire long history.

You seem to have a remarkably odd understanding of the relationship between the Pope and the text of the Bible. The Pope has no authority or power to "edit" the text of the Bible. The Pope, according to Catholics, derives his authority from the Bible, not the other way around.

Let us assume your demand for editing of the New Testament were to be acted on. Do you seriously think it would reduce anti-semitism? Don't you think it would tie in remarkably well with the theories of those who think Jews secretly control the world? Would a secret trade in black-market "real" Bibles develop? What would you propose as punishment for those who traffic in or possess such evil literature?

There is a good bit of anti-semitism in the world today. Remarkably little of it has roots in antagonism based on Christian belief. The vast majority is either Muslim or leftist in origin. Do you really think it makes sense to go after a minor and diminishing "cause" of anti-semitism when these other causes are major and growing?

43 posted on 05/22/2014 7:10:56 AM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: IsraelBeach
The only problem with that is that the Pope would have to admit that the "divinely inspired 'new testament'" is wrong. Despite the Catholic Church's gutting of Genesis, I don't see this happening.

It is most unbecoming for one religion to ask another to alter its internal teachings . . . outside of an attempt at conversion. But for some crazy reason, proselytization is considered A Bad Thing while dictating internal changes in other people's religions is "social justice."

Instead of asking non-Jews to make a few changes to their religions, Jews should be teaching them the Noachide Laws--period.

PS--Classifying the statement "Jew you down" with mass murder seems a bit of a stretch.

44 posted on 05/22/2014 7:38:04 AM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (The Left: speaking power to truth since Shevirat HaKelim.)
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To: IsraelBeach
Why a moron? The Vatican and others have denounced the killing of Christ by Jews in the past.

Several Christian denominations have denounced the claim that the Jews killed Christ. In 1965, the Second Vatican Council issued the Nostra Autate statement, which declare that "what happened in His [Jesus'] passion cannot be charged against all the Jews, without distinction, then alive, nor against the Jews of today."

In 1964, the General Convention of the Episcopal Church declared, "We reject the charge of deicide against the Jews and condemn antisemitism." Other denominations, including the Council of the Evangelical Lutheran Church and the Alliance of Baptists, while not explicitly addressing the charge of deicide, have issued statements regretting "interpreting our sacred writings in such a way that we have created enemies of the Jewish people."

Please see my initial reply to you.

You don't seem to understand what all is involved in renouncing what has always been regarded as "holy writ." Even though it's not objectively, chrstians have always believed that it is.

One does not simply change millenia-old doctrine in this way (though, as I said, many chrstians do this with Genesis, because "we now know" so much more).

One need not be a chrstian or even sympathize with chrstians in order to see the problem with making such changes. To be fair, chrstians are equally unreasonable in making such demands of the moslems.

A religion is either true or it isn't. One doesn't make a false religion any truer by making a few internal changes. Why not promote the Noachide Laws among non-Jews? Wouldn't a world where non-Jews were Noachides be the safest possible world for Jews to live in?

Your argument is very utilitarian and very secular. You don't seem to understand the importance of religious claims, though please forgive me if I am wrong.

45 posted on 05/22/2014 7:46:11 AM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (The Left: speaking power to truth since Shevirat HaKelim.)
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