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CRC Church: Immigrants are essential to filling the shortage of STEM workers.
CRC Social Justice ^

Posted on 05/22/2014 11:23:15 PM PDT by ObamahatesPACoal

Immigrants are essential to filling the shortage of STEM workers. #VoteonReform #Pray4Reform


TOPICS: Politics
KEYWORDS: aliens; amnesty; church; expert; immigration

1 posted on 05/22/2014 11:23:15 PM PDT by ObamahatesPACoal
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To: ObamahatesPACoal
WHAT "shortfall", newbie?!?

The US has a GLUT of STEM workers! Me and all my U.S. Citizen Electrical Engineers in the Silicon Valley are out of work! Article after article talks about how how the US produces 50% more STEM graduates than there are open positions.

Madness. Madness with a huge graphic, that's what heads up this thread...

2 posted on 05/22/2014 11:34:15 PM PDT by Yossarian
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To: Yossarian

I agree.

It is ironic a church group is not just pushing amnesty for illegals but pushing for cheap labor.

https://twitter.com/MarkSKrikorian/status/469168147790979072
What does Christian Reformed Church know about STEM jobs? MT


3 posted on 05/22/2014 11:43:39 PM PDT by ObamahatesPACoal
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To: ObamahatesPACoal

A question for you:

Do you personally support this church’s position?

If so why?
If not why not?


4 posted on 05/22/2014 11:46:44 PM PDT by shibumi (Cover it with gas and set it on fire.)
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To: shibumi

I oppose more STEM visas.

It is misleading because foreign STEM workers are working across many industries. I agree with Ann Coulter on STEM visas.

“Mark Zuckerberg brings in people to run the copy machine and they’re not ‘the best and the brightest.’


5 posted on 05/22/2014 11:50:28 PM PDT by ObamahatesPACoal
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To: ObamahatesPACoal

I posted the thread to debunk their BS.


6 posted on 05/22/2014 11:53:26 PM PDT by ObamahatesPACoal
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To: ObamahatesPACoal

These people are crazy.


7 posted on 05/22/2014 11:57:30 PM PDT by wastedyears (I'm a pessimist, I say plenty of negative things. Consider it a warning of sorts.)
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To: ObamahatesPACoal

Thanks for clarifying that.

I posed the question for your benefit as there was no comment along with Post #1. Some folks might have misconstrued your position.


8 posted on 05/22/2014 11:59:15 PM PDT by shibumi (Cover it with gas and set it on fire.)
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To: ObamahatesPACoal

My husband has a Ph. D. in engineering. He is working now but he had been laid off in 2009. We know many people with Master’s degrees and less looking, as well as other Ph. d’s looking for work in their field. IEEE, the engineering society has said there is no glut of engineering jobs, just a glut of companies wanting to pay engineers less money by getting cheap H1-b visa types and laying off higher paid US engineers.

Why is this church trying to put US engineers out of work and why are you here promoting turning the US into a third world country?


9 posted on 05/23/2014 12:00:46 AM PDT by Waryone
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To: ObamahatesPACoal
Glad to hear.

(OK everyone, the "Witch Trial" is cancelled! Please return to your homes, and let's see if we can get our money back on the "'dunking test' apparatus" we ordered from Amazon....

10 posted on 05/23/2014 12:02:14 AM PDT by Yossarian
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To: Waryone; ObamahatesPACoal

Sorry, I didn’t see your reply #6 above until after I posted.


11 posted on 05/23/2014 12:03:57 AM PDT by Waryone
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To: ObamahatesPACoal

So why don’t advanced degree graduates have 100% employment?


12 posted on 05/23/2014 12:11:40 AM PDT by ObamahatesPACoal
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To: ObamahatesPACoal
So why don’t advanced degree graduates have 100% employment?

Well, to be honest, just because it is advanced, or hard, doesn't mean that even in a fair economy that there is demand for that skill.

An advanced degree in electric propulsion technology may not be very appealing to employers if the electric car market continues its current stinkfest.

BUT those skills and that worker could be reapplied to something else. That's one of the things that makes a labor glut so depressing: employers can be hyper-picky on both wages AND experience - too little or too much, and you're out!

13 posted on 05/23/2014 12:16:15 AM PDT by Yossarian
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To: Yossarian

So what do I do now with the carrot nose and the duck?


14 posted on 05/23/2014 12:30:40 AM PDT by shibumi (Cover it with gas and set it on fire.)
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To: Waryone

My husband and other white males over 50 werelaid off 2 years ago. My husband has a job at a start up makng half what he did with no stock and only healthcare.


15 posted on 05/23/2014 12:35:56 AM PDT by luckystarmom
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To: luckystarmom

Forgot to mention they were all software and hardware engineers and managers.


16 posted on 05/23/2014 12:37:16 AM PDT by luckystarmom
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To: luckystarmom

I praise God that your husband was able to find work, but I’m sorry it was at a drastic pay cut. We’ve known engineers who have lost their houses or who have taken work in areas that have no need of their training.

The Lord has been very gracious to us. My husband was able to find work after he was laid off. First as an adjunct professor (at hardly any pay), then he got a job in another city doing work related to his engineering degree. My husband had just finished his Ph D before he was laid off. That led to his work at the university. The out of town job he took was with a smaller company with fewer benefits, but we were fortunate that he had no reduction in pay.

I honestly believe that if he, being over fifty, had not gotten his advanced degree, he would have ended up working outside his field, or not at all.


17 posted on 05/23/2014 1:00:49 AM PDT by Waryone
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To: ObamahatesPACoal

The best cure for high wages is high wages. That is just another way of saying that when a free market is allowed to operate, demand that exceeds supply will be find that additional supply develops from people who hope to take advantage of the high prices.

Too many people in this country, and too many politicians seem hell-bent on opening the flood gates of immigration without respect first to what the country owes to its own citizens and secondly to the contribution a prospective immigrant could make. If there are any American citizens who lack jobs, it should give us pause about filling any open jobs with H1B viaholders, especially workers who want to return to their home country and become competitors.

Sadly, too many politicians and their “running dog lackies” (a pejorative phrase used in communist cold-war era propaganda) see immigrants as a voter demographic that they can pander to.


20 posted on 05/23/2014 5:07:31 AM PDT by theBuckwheat
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To: luckystarmom

This “shortage” is actually a “shortage” of of over-qualified people willing to work like dogs for depressed wages for their masters.

The “young”, “liberal”, “freedom-loving and charitable” leaders of Silicon Valley are just robber barons and fat cats in trendy shoes, t-shirts and very expensive blue jeans. Google:

“silicon valley wage lawsuit collusion”


21 posted on 05/23/2014 5:34:59 AM PDT by The Antiyuppie ("When small men cast long shadows, then it is very late in the day.")
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To: ObamahatesPACoal

Why on earth would you post this lie?


22 posted on 05/23/2014 5:49:41 AM PDT by amnestynone (Lindsey Graham is a feckless, duplicitous, treacherous, double dealing backstabbing corksucker.)
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To: The Antiyuppie

Really! My husband was laid off 3 months after he had surgery for prostate cancer.

He had nt been able to put in theb 60/70/80 hour work weeks like he ad previously.

We talked to a lawyer. He ad a good case, but the lawyer said that it is very, very stressful to go to court. I was worried about the stress affecting the cancer.

It’s been 2 years now, and I think we may have made the wrong decision.

After my daughters graduate from high school next year, we’ll be moving out of silicon valley.


23 posted on 05/23/2014 8:14:59 AM PDT by luckystarmom
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To: Yossarian
Me and all my U.S. Citizen Electrical Engineers in the Silicon Valley are out of work!

Yup. Hubby's also an EE, 25 years at the same company, laid off last fall. Applying for jobs, but not any interest. And he's got some pretty desireable credentials. Oh, and before the "if people were just willing to move where the jobs are, they'd find work" crowd shows up, he's applying nationally.

24 posted on 05/23/2014 8:23:10 AM PDT by Hoffer Rand (Bear His image. Bring His message. Be the Church.)
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To: amnestynone

It is ironic.

I thought church groups were in the amnesty game for compassion not to join a bandwagon and for donors.


25 posted on 05/23/2014 2:04:05 PM PDT by ObamahatesPACoal
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