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Going to Pot? Colorado’s bold marijuana experiment is having some unexpected consequences
Slate ^ | May 21, 2014 | Josh Voorhees

Posted on 05/23/2014 12:15:28 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

Nearly five months into Colorado’s great pot experiment, the early returns are good. In Denver, home to the bulk of the first-in-the-nation retail stores, violent crime fell by 5.6 percent over the first four months of the year, with major property crimes down nearly twice that, according to the city’s police. State coffers, meanwhile, are flush with tax revenues from the nearly $50 million worth of recreational weed that was sold through March, the last month for which official estimates are available. Those sales translate into $7.3 million for the state, a number that jumps to $12.6 million when you factor in medical marijuana and licensing fees. Lawmakers are already trying to figure out how to spend future revenues that are projected to reach $98 million this year alone.

It’s too soon, however, to call Colorado’s measure an unqualified success. Officials had long warned of unforeseen problems once the retail stores opened their doors on Jan. 1, and such fears have proved legitimate thanks largely to how people are choosing to get high. So-called edibles are being blamed for an increase in the number of pot-related emergency room visits, including those from a half-dozen or so children who unknowingly ate pot-laced treats. The baked goods and candies also are believed to have played a role in two deaths in the past two months—providing opponents with front-page anecdotes that run counter to the cannabis-kills-no-one narrative long trumpeted by legalization advocates. A college student visiting from Wyoming jumped to his death from a Denver hotel balcony in March after consuming six times the recommended dose of a pot-infused cookie. The following month, a Denver man is believed to have shot and killed his wife after eating pot-laced candy, although police concede that he may have had other drugs in his system, too....

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Government; Health/Medicine; Society
KEYWORDS: colorado; drugs; legalization; marijuana; potheads

1 posted on 05/23/2014 12:15:28 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Colorado County Considers Recognizing ‘Rights’ Of Birds And Flowers
2 posted on 05/23/2014 12:25:09 AM PDT by Berlin_Freeper (You can't be passive and moral.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I had my days with pot, I found it stimulating and exhilirating to smoke it, early on. But even in those days I never appreciated “pot brownies”. All I got from that was a dull lethargy, so I find it hard to understand these reports, but who knows.

“... I’m high on the real thing: a clean windshield, powerful gasoline, and a shoeshine!”


3 posted on 05/23/2014 12:26:04 AM PDT by dr_lew
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To: Berlin_Freeper

It’s the peoples’ republic of boulder. No surprise there.


4 posted on 05/23/2014 12:37:06 AM PDT by bravo whiskey (We should not fear our government. Our government should fear us.)
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To: dr_lew

I wonder why the sudden big push to legalize pot at this particular time? We have a bunch of young brain damaged, uneducated, game addicts now, why do we want more zombies, or should I say why would the Feds want more young adult zombies?
Could it be the Feds want more stupefied kids of prime fighting age zonked out? Wonder why, what’s coming?


5 posted on 05/23/2014 12:38:22 AM PDT by Foundahardheadedwoman (God don't have a statute of limitations)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Edible marajuana should be locked up or have “trigger guards”. Treat it the same way the gun-hating libtards want to treat handguns. After all any safety feature is “for the children.”


6 posted on 05/23/2014 12:42:52 AM PDT by bravo whiskey (We should not fear our government. Our government should fear us.)
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To: bravo whiskey

“So-called edibles are being blamed for an increase in the number of pot-related emergency room visits, including those from a half-dozen or so children who unknowingly ate pot-laced treats. “

I was wondering how many kids were accidentally hurt with their parents’ guns during the same time period?


7 posted on 05/23/2014 1:00:14 AM PDT by aquila48
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To: Foundahardheadedwoman
I wonder why the sudden big push to legalize pot at this particular time? We have a bunch of young brain damaged, uneducated, game addicts now, why do we want more zombies, or should I say why would the Feds want more young adult zombies?

Could it be the Feds want more stupefied kids of prime fighting age zonked out? Wonder why, what’s coming?

This isn't coming from the feds; it is coming from people tired of the War on Drugs. They're tired of no-knock raids, they are tired of their dogs being shot, they are tired of forfeiture laws, and they're tired of so many people being in prison. They're tired of the losses of freedom, and they're tired of the feds telling the states what to do. And with all of that, the drugs are still on the streets. The feds have fought this at every turn.

I was initially surprised to see that the marijuana thing passed here in Colorado - it flew under the radar as far as the amount of publicity it got before the elections. When it became law, I think it surprised most people. Many politicians came out against it, but the people running the campaign never seemed to say much.

We don't have legal recreational marijuana in our town, but it is coming to a small town in our same county. We've had medical marijuana for years. Either way, it hasn't affected us and doesn't seem to have affected most other people we know. We didn't do drugs before and don't do them now.

There are roughly as many medical pot places as there are liquor stores in our area. The crime rate is the same or down a bit. Talking to friends, people on all sides of the spectrum seem to support it, and it isn't the big deal here that it seems to be from the outside looking in.

8 posted on 05/23/2014 1:06:22 AM PDT by mountainbunny (Faithless is he that says farewell when the road darkens ~ J.R.R. Tolkien)
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To: mountainbunny

Here in Seattle, we may go legal in a couple months, or possibly longer, no one seems to know.

State and local government are DEEPLY involved in regulating growers and sellers.

Also, once the licenses are issued, local landlords, for retail space and grow space, must conform to all kinds of environmental policies that were issued long before marijuana became legal.

I don’t watch a lot of local news, but, so far, it seems pretty uncontroversial.

The state is also trying to limit how much weed can be grown legally.

They are worried if the price of pot in Washington state is too low, residents of surrounding states will rush in, buy up all the pot, and resell it for higher prices in their home states.

Also, reports of contaminated edible marijuana (molds, bacteria, heavy metals) in Colorado have caught the attention of at least one state agency here.

If edible marijuana has to be tested before it’s sold, or if it has to be monitored while growing, that could shut down that segment of the market for a long time.


10 posted on 05/23/2014 1:50:42 AM PDT by zeestephen
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
In Denver, home to the bulk of the first-in-the-nation retail stores, violent crime fell by 5.6 percent over the first four months of the year, with major property crimes down nearly twice that, according to the city’s police.

I'd really like to know where they got those numbers.
When I talked with John Lott, he said that that data wouldn't be available for at least 2 years.
11 posted on 05/23/2014 1:55:33 AM PDT by RandallFlagg (Uninstall Fascist Firefox. Get Pale Moon.)
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To: mountainbunny
>" it isn't the big deal here that it seems to be from the outside looking in. "

The only big deal is the drug nazis screaming about losing power.

Why they believe they have the RIGHT to force someone else to choose only medicine they approve and sell at the point of a gun, is good is beyond me.

We don't want 0m0slem deciding for us! We don't want harry anslinger deciding either!

12 posted on 05/23/2014 1:57:07 AM PDT by rawcatslyentist (Jeremiah 50:32 "The arrogant one will stumble and fall ; / ?)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
edibles are being blamed for an increase in the number of pot-related emergency room visits, including those from a half-dozen or so children who unknowingly ate pot-laced treats. The baked goods and candies also are believed to have played a role in two deaths in the past two months—providing opponents with front-page anecdotes that run counter to the cannabis-kills-no-one narrative long trumpeted by legalization advocates. A college student visiting from Wyoming jumped to his death from a Denver hotel balcony in March after consuming six times the recommended dose of a pot-infused cookie. The following month, a Denver man is believed to have shot and killed his wife after eating pot-laced candy, although police concede that he may have had other drugs in his system...

All consequences that will be ignored, by and large, by the dope stupified masses.

13 posted on 05/23/2014 2:31:29 AM PDT by SoFloFreeper
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To: SoFloFreeper
It'll take a while for the longer term consequences to become apparent. Like motor vehicle accidents.

Also, if a student from a college in Colorado is a candidate for a job, all other things being equal, you have to think the employer will assume the worst.

Anyone know if Colorado has adopted metrics for DUI due to marijuana?

14 posted on 05/23/2014 2:54:20 AM PDT by ken5050 ("One useless man is a shame, two are a law firm, three or more are a Congress".. John Adams)
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To: RandallFlagg

The same place 0bama and the rest of the rats get theirs.
They are all professional liars.


15 posted on 05/23/2014 3:09:35 AM PDT by Post5203 (For the first time in my life, I despise this country.)
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To: Foundahardheadedwoman

It’s because Muslims don’t drink alcohol - watch for the criminalization campaign to begin soon on something that has been part of human civilization for millennia - but they do smoke a lot of pot and hash. I imagine qat will be next.

We can see what wonders staying stoned has done for the Muslim world and it’s decidedly non-thriving countries.

These things don’t taste good, smell good, have any culinary or aesthetic value, and have no non-intoxicating dosage; they just serve to make you stupid, lazy and accepting. What more could a good Muslim Marxist want for “his people?”


16 posted on 05/23/2014 4:07:17 AM PDT by livius
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To: zeestephen
They are worried if the price of pot in Washington state is too low, residents of surrounding states will rush in, buy up all the pot, and resell it for higher prices in their home states

God forbid someone actually practices capitalism. Democrats can't have that going on.

17 posted on 05/23/2014 4:13:21 AM PDT by Go Gordon (Barack McGreevey Obama)
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To: RandallFlagg
In Denver, home to the bulk of the first-in-the-nation retail stores, violent crime fell by 5.6 percent over the first four months of the year, with major property crimes down nearly twice that, according to the city’s police.
Exactly...they are doing with fake numbers what gun advocates have done with real numbers, until there is a credible source, this is just another lib lie.
18 posted on 05/23/2014 4:16:33 AM PDT by ThePatriotsFlag ("There never was a democracy yet that did not commit suicide." - Thomas Jefferson)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Sounds quite similar to alcohol


19 posted on 05/23/2014 4:25:38 AM PDT by redhawk.44mag
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To: mountainbunny
Good post, spot on montainbunny. American is tired of the WAR on drugs.
20 posted on 05/23/2014 4:27:21 AM PDT by 2001convSVT (Going Galt as fast as I can.)
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To: Foundahardheadedwoman

Obviously it was inevitable


21 posted on 05/23/2014 4:27:51 AM PDT by redhawk.44mag
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To: aquila48

Or broke into their parents liquor cabinet and got pregnant or in a drunken auto crash.


22 posted on 05/23/2014 4:30:49 AM PDT by redhawk.44mag
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To: SoFloFreeper

and exploited by others instead of being looked at as the individual cases they are


23 posted on 05/23/2014 4:34:22 AM PDT by redhawk.44mag
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To: dr_lew

Same here. I think we’re all Bozos on this bus.


24 posted on 05/23/2014 4:53:48 AM PDT by CrazyIvan (I lost my phased plasma rifle in a tragic hovercraft accident.)
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To: Foundahardheadedwoman

Good point.

I suspect, though, that it has more to do with financial interests. Corporations who have or are ready to invest in marijuana growth are likely pressuring politicians to legalize. It’s been quite a number of years ago, but I remember reading about how one of the big tobacco companies was poised to invest in pot production.


25 posted on 05/23/2014 5:36:11 AM PDT by Bigg Red (1 Pt 1: As he who called you is holy, be holy yourselves in every aspect of your conduct.)
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To: Bigg Red

who have or are ready to invest =
who have invested or are ready to invest


26 posted on 05/23/2014 5:41:20 AM PDT by Bigg Red (1 Pt 1: As he who called you is holy, be holy yourselves in every aspect of your conduct.)
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To: F15Eagle
tax revenue

And the article says CO officials are figuring out how to SPEND it.

It's ironic that free-thinking, anti-government regulation pot smokers will be the cause of even more government spending.

27 posted on 05/23/2014 5:47:11 AM PDT by grania
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Just wait until “what do you mean I have cancer? Pot can’t give you cancer!?!...”


28 posted on 05/23/2014 5:53:26 AM PDT by Caipirabob (Communists... Socialists... Democrats...Traitors... Who can tell the difference?)
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To: zeestephen

Fascinating... The issue with molds could lead to a whole new level of corporate/cartel warfare.


29 posted on 05/23/2014 5:55:05 AM PDT by Caipirabob (Communists... Socialists... Democrats...Traitors... Who can tell the difference?)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

***So-called edibles are being blamed ***

NOTE TO SELF: When selling 30 round magazines out of the truck of your car, DON’T EAT THE LOCAL PASTRIES! Bring your own from out of state.


30 posted on 05/23/2014 8:18:26 AM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

It makes one wonder why people are rushing to Colorado so determined to get “high”.

I’m 67 years old and have never tried it. Never had a desire to try. I’ve always believed that one should be in control of their bodies at all times, except when in surgery.


31 posted on 05/23/2014 8:24:18 AM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar
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“... I’m high on the real thing: a clean windshield, powerful gasoline, and a shoeshine!”

Stop calling me Fred; my name's Adolph.

32 posted on 05/23/2014 8:29:54 AM PDT by don-o (He will not share His glory and He will NOT be mocked! Blessed be the name of the Lord forever!)
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar

“I’m 67 years old and have never tried it. Never had a desire to try. I’ve always believed that one should be in control of their bodies at all times, except when in surgery.”

Please. One is no more “out of control” than after having a couple of beers. I am 58, I smoked weed in high school and college and I can tell you are the kind of control nazi that would experience a paranoid episode if you tried cannabis. Conversely, although I have not ingested cannabis in any form for roughly thirty years. If I were to travel to Colorado I might do the nostalgia schtick and buy a legal joint since medical considerations no longer allow me to drink alcohol.


33 posted on 05/23/2014 10:31:34 AM PDT by Zippo44 (Liberal: another word for poltroon.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
What we have here is an experiment, one of the reasons that this sort of thing should be left at the state level. If it works out in Colorado it may be adopted by other states. If not, the damage is confined. And, along the way, the citizens of Colorado get to try a policy of their own preference without interference from the nannies in the federal government.

A cautionary note, however. Although I have long been of the opinion that the stuff was made illegal purely through a hyperbolic media campaign based on falsehood, this is not a case of going back to the olden days when it was legal. We're not there, and where we're going isn't there. Even social changes that are broadly beneficial can carry with them a few nasty gotchas; in this case the spread of use to children who are affected differently from adults. We'll see how it all goes.

34 posted on 05/23/2014 10:42:50 AM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: SoFloFreeper
All consequences that will be ignored, by and large, by the dope stupefied masses.

Not ignored, but rather appreciated as one of the many risks that society has to deal with every day. I'm willing to bet, for example, that during the first five months of legalized marijuana, a lot more people in Denver have gone to the emergency room because of alcohol poisoning than the number of people who sought emergency treatment for pot ingestion. I'm even willing to bet that during that five month period the number of deaths or serious injuries attributable to marijuana are significantly less than deaths or serious injuries attributable to alcohol, tobacco, Tylenol, or obesity.

35 posted on 05/23/2014 10:48:20 AM PDT by Labyrinthos
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To: Labyrinthos

yee haw. a reg’lar paradise.


36 posted on 05/23/2014 10:55:50 AM PDT by SoFloFreeper
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To: Foundahardheadedwoman

There’s been a heavy push to legalize since about 5 minutes after it became illegal. It’s just finally gained enough steam to start winning, largely because there’s now three generations worth of former (and even current) pot smokers who know the government lies about pot voting.


37 posted on 05/23/2014 10:56:43 AM PDT by discostu (Seriously, do we no longer do "phrasing"?!)
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To: Zippo44

***... and I can tell you are the kind of control nazi..***

Me? A control nazi? I only control myself! You wanna smoke it go ahead.


38 posted on 05/23/2014 11:18:26 AM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar
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To: Zippo44

***Please. One is no more “out of control” than after having a couple of beers.***

My dad could get falling down drunk on three 3.2 Oklahoma beers. And I was in the military with another man who got violent after two regular beers. He was dangerous!
I drink two regular beers a day and have no problems. I still don’t figure why people want to suck any form of smoke into the lungs.


39 posted on 05/23/2014 11:23:43 AM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I knew an elderly woman who was a school teacher in the 1930s Texas. She said the Mexicans there smoked MJ and when hey did they got mean after smoking it.

Her words, not mine. No mention of what happened to white people.


40 posted on 05/23/2014 11:27:16 AM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar
Re: “I’ve always believed that one should be in control of their bodies at all times, except when in surgery.”

Under ObamaCare, the surgeon will be stoned.

41 posted on 05/23/2014 12:13:19 PM PDT by zeestephen
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Re: “One is no more “out of control” than after having a couple of beers.”

Zippo, track down your old dealers and get your money back.

You've been ripped off.

42 posted on 05/23/2014 12:19:33 PM PDT by zeestephen
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To: mountainbunny
mountainbunny said: "They're tired of no-knock raids, ..."

I'm also tired of the gangsterism that accompanies illegal drug sales. If the price of MJ falls to where it should be, there will be few who could make a living on it. Such people will have to find a real job, flipping burgers or perhaps something that requires that they can read.

Perhaps then it might become safe to explore the Mendocino forest without the threat of being accosted by the guardians of illegal grow operations.

43 posted on 05/23/2014 5:29:12 PM PDT by William Tell
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To: Bigg Red

Here in my area the local state rep introduced a bill to tax the he11 out of e cigs, he’s a big tobacco farmer and of course the state want its graft from their sale. I haven’t heard if it has passed but I am using them to quit smoking while keeping my weight down. Even though it saves lives they will still tax it out of existence, they are all still chasing the once mighty dollar.
Quick question salt for our roads went from 62 bucks/ton to 85.40 this year. What % increase is this, my local rag says 20%, I would like to know for sure since I figure in rough numbers in my head, not sure if I can even put it on paper, any help out there before I call and make an a55 out of myself? Looks slightly over 33% to me.


44 posted on 05/23/2014 5:39:59 PM PDT by Foundahardheadedwoman (God don't have a statute of limitations)
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To: Foundahardheadedwoman

Sounds like 28%


45 posted on 05/23/2014 5:53:15 PM PDT by eyedigress ((zOld storm chaser from the west)/ ?s)
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To: Foundahardheadedwoman

I got almost 38%.

Pretty much a math moron here, but seems to me the calculation is

85.4- 62 = 23.4
23.4/62 = 0.377
So 38% increase.

Does that look right to you?


46 posted on 05/23/2014 6:18:25 PM PDT by Bigg Red (1 Pt 1: As he who called you is holy, be holy yourselves in every aspect of your conduct.)
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To: Bigg Red

Yep. I could not figure out the method, as I said I noticed that 62 from 85.4 is 23.4 x 3 the three being 1/3 so I got 33 plus a few %. That is how I figure odd aint it. I never figure anything to the exact figure just rough it out.


47 posted on 05/23/2014 9:12:21 PM PDT by Foundahardheadedwoman (God don't have a statute of limitations)
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To: Foundahardheadedwoman

I am guessing the genius who wrote the article you mentioned subtracted last year’s rate from this year’s and concluded that $23 must be about 20%.

As I said, I am a math moron, but, if I were publishing an article, I would make darned sure I had researched the math before I made such a statement. But I guess I am just old-fashioned. Today, our so-called journalists don’t even believe in proofreading.


48 posted on 05/24/2014 2:43:05 PM PDT by Bigg Red (1 Pt 1: As he who called you is holy, be holy yourselves in every aspect of your conduct.)
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To: Bigg Red

I aint much of a speller but they spelled toys usage as in toys with the idea of running toyes. Don’t look right to me but as I said if it weren’t for spell check everything I write would be incomprehensible. Spell check that.


49 posted on 05/25/2014 10:36:30 PM PDT by Foundahardheadedwoman (God don't have a statute of limitations)
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To: Foundahardheadedwoman

I am not following your comment. I don’t see “toys” in the piece.


50 posted on 05/26/2014 4:45:30 AM PDT by Bigg Red (1 Pt 1: As he who called you is holy, be holy yourselves in every aspect of your conduct.)
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