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Mexican cooperation could have spared Marine from ordeal, say border sources
FoxNews.com ^ | May 25, 2014 | William La Jeunesse

Posted on 05/25/2014 10:39:02 AM PDT by moonshinner_09

A U.S. Marine who has been held in a Mexican jail for two months after mistakenly crossing the border with guns could have been spared his continuing ordeal with a simple phone call - and the kind of courtesy American border officials extend to wayward Mexicans, including members of the military.

Andrew Tahmooressi, 25, was trying to visit a friend near the border in San Ysidro March 31 when he missed the last exit on Interstate 5 and inadvertently crossed into Mexico. While his mistake was apparently due in part to a poorly marked - and recently changed - sign marking the last chance to make a U-turn back toward the U.S., some reasonable discretion by border officials could have spared him nearly two months in a Mexican prison, sources told Fox News.

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TOPICS: Government; Military/Veterans
KEYWORDS: donutwatch; marine; mexico; vets
"Within a foreign country, a U.S. citizen is subject to that country's laws and regulations, which sometimes differ significantly from those in the United States," The illegals from Mexico are not subject to a lot of our laws and regulations, which sometimes differ significantly from those in Mexico,"
1 posted on 05/25/2014 10:39:02 AM PDT by moonshinner_09
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To: moonshinner_09

The Mexicans do this crap on purpose so that they can blackmail the families out of several thousand dollars.


2 posted on 05/25/2014 10:54:59 AM PDT by TigersEye ("No man left behind" is more than an Army Ranger credo it's the character of America.)
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To: moonshinner_09
The difference between how we treat illegals who sneak in from Mexico and how the Mexicans treat Americans who blunder into Mexico is stark and uncomplimentary to both countries. By that I don't mean our government abuses those who violate our border; it abuses Americans by its leniency toward illegal entrants.
3 posted on 05/25/2014 10:55:27 AM PDT by luvbach1 (We are finished. It will just take a while before everyone realizes it.)
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To: moonshinner_09

People that know Mexico, know what a disgusting, lazy, corrupt and backwards country it is.

It might seem different for those tourists who fly to Cancun, and resorts, I’ve never seen that artificial atmosphere, but when you are among the real life Mexico, you can instantly see that it is a dark and wicked wicked, and when you look at it’s history, it has always been so.


4 posted on 05/25/2014 10:55:36 AM PDT by ansel12 ((Ted Cruz and Mike Lee-both of whom sit on the Senate Judiciary Comm as Ginsberg's importance fades)
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To: TigersEye

You’re on the mark. Mordida (bribery) is a way of life in among officialdom in Mexico.


5 posted on 05/25/2014 10:56:45 AM PDT by luvbach1 (We are finished. It will just take a while before everyone realizes it.)
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To: luvbach1
You’re on the mark. Mordida (bribery) is a way of life in among officialdom in Mexico.

That said, I do like Mexican food.

6 posted on 05/25/2014 10:59:34 AM PDT by luvbach1 (We are finished. It will just take a while before everyone realizes it.)
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To: moonshinner_09

Regardless of the law, the perception in Mexico is that the United States hates Mexicans. We have a long history of hating Mexicans and trying to take over their country.

But Obama in particular hates Mexico and Mexicans, and has probably been the worst president ever in terms of dealing with Mexico. They have a PRI president now (PRI is the socialist party). So in theory Obama should love him. But he doesn’t, partly because the Mexican president is unexpectedly conservative economically and is privatizing like mad, and partly because Obama hates Latinos in general and Mexicans in particular, outside of the Democrat Party’s electoral needs.

Obama (the product of an African foreign graduate student and a white hippie) politically identifies with ghetto blacks - who appear to be the intellectual arbiters in the “black community” -and hates Latin Americans. And Obama just said today that a weaker foreign policy was the way to go, so why should any country, including Mexico, care what we want?

That said, Obama himself doesn’t respect any laws. And that’s what has gotten Mexico very upset. Also, I have never seen anywhere that Obama went to bat for this Marine. If he had, I’m sure Mexico would have released him.

The Obama regime’s failure to defend this man (arrested for the faux crime of having a gun) is what has resulted in his imprisonment.


7 posted on 05/25/2014 11:00:18 AM PDT by livius
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To: luvbach1
Where is Black Jack Pershing when we need him?

FWIW good Mexican food is actually New Mexican food. What they serve in old Mexico is bland and tasteless for the most part.

8 posted on 05/25/2014 11:05:56 AM PDT by TigersEye ("No man left behind" is more than an Army Ranger credo it's the character of America.)
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To: luvbach1

Kinda symetrical. Both countries, each in its own way, manage to abuse American citizens.


9 posted on 05/25/2014 11:07:13 AM PDT by EDINVA
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To: moonshinner_09

And that was one of the most stupid statements (other than it is the video’s fault) our state department has EVER made


10 posted on 05/25/2014 1:00:20 PM PDT by Nifster
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To: moonshinner_09

Maybe we could arrange a trade, as in the Middle East. We give them twelve million Mexican citizens in exchange for our one marine.


11 posted on 05/25/2014 1:18:47 PM PDT by Avid Coug
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To: moonshinner_09

When did the Mexicans start obeying out laws/ this something new?


12 posted on 05/25/2014 1:39:39 PM PDT by JoanneSD
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To: moonshinner_09

Mexicans who enter the US illegally are given money, food, education and a voter registration card.

Americans who enter Mexico illegally are arrested and thrown in prison.


13 posted on 05/25/2014 1:47:05 PM PDT by aomagrat (Gun owners who vote for democrats are too stupid to own guns.)
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To: ansel12

It’s evident even in the resort areas of Puerto Vallarta and Cabo San Lucas. You venture beyond the tourist zones at your own risk.


14 posted on 05/25/2014 1:55:53 PM PDT by TADSLOS (The Event Horizon has come and gone. Buckle up and hang on.)
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To: TigersEye
...good Mexican food is actually New Mexican food.,p> I'm sure that's good (have not tried it) but I say it's what you can find in San Diego.
15 posted on 05/25/2014 1:57:23 PM PDT by luvbach1 (We are finished. It will just take a while before everyone realizes it.)
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To: TigersEye
What they serve in old Mexico is bland and tasteless for the most part.

Probably some truth to that. Most of the people I know who don't like Mexican food say it's because they can't tolerate hot, spicy food. In actuality it's mostly very mild but they don't know that because they avoid it like the plague.

16 posted on 05/25/2014 2:04:27 PM PDT by luvbach1 (We are finished. It will just take a while before everyone realizes it.)
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To: TigersEye

New Mexico has great Mexican food, but so does Texas, they are two different styles, and California Mexican is the least flavorful.


17 posted on 05/25/2014 2:08:07 PM PDT by ansel12 ((Ted Cruz and Mike Lee-both of whom sit on the Senate Judiciary Comm as Ginsberg's importance fades)
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To: ansel12; luvbach1
Yes, what most people here call Mexican food was created in Texas, NM and southern CA. NM has at least five different distinct "Mexican" cuisines. TX probably has more than one.

Perhaps things have changed since I traveled Mexico extensively in the '60s with my family but their typical dishes didn't resemble what we call Mexican food here in the U.S. Sure, they have tacos, enchiladas etc. but they aren't prepared and don't taste the same.

18 posted on 05/25/2014 2:16:36 PM PDT by TigersEye ("No man left behind" is more than an Army Ranger credo it's the character of America.)
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To: TADSLOS

I watched a Bull fight in 1950s Monterrey Mexico as a young lad, between the bull fights and the grotesque looking starving dogs with their ribs showing and terrified of all humans, the broken glass lining the tops of the walls around houses that also had bars on the windows, and the begging street urchins and paying the layabout men to “watch” your car when you parked at the curb, and the bar length urinal that was also the foot rest as you leaned on the bar to drink a beer in full sight of everyone as you could pee without moving or setting down your drink, and my travel through tiny remote 1950s villages, the casual bribing of federal and local law enforcement, and near death experiences and narrow escapes through the 60s and 70s and 80s, from both bad guys and law enforcement, I know Mexico well enough to know how ugly it is, in every way, in regards to it’s people and what they create.

Mexico has always been a failure, a place of passivity and sudden mindless violence, twisted and misdirected passions and dishonesty and apathy, a disastrous pit of human failings, all while bordering on the greatest, freest, most independent minded nation ever created.


19 posted on 05/25/2014 2:21:18 PM PDT by ansel12 ((Ted Cruz and Mike Lee-both of whom sit on the Senate Judiciary Comm as Ginsberg's importance fades)
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To: livius

I don’t know where you get your information, but it isn’t accurate. What did you do, visit those American hate museums in Mexico, financed by the Russian government?

The Spanish Viceroyalty of New Spain (Colonial government) used to patrol “their” claims in what is now Georgia and South Carolina during the late 1500s and early 1600s. If they found any settlers who were not Spanish, such as French Huguenots, the entire settlement was offered a chance to convert to Roman Catholicism and when rejected, everyone was murdered. That included women and children.

You don’t believe the Mexicans felt the same? There were problems with Mexican officials in the late 1700s and early 1800s who demanded bribes from American traders, and other irregularities such as seizing American ships and keeping their cargoes (and occasionally murdering crews).

The Mexican government, which had recently freed itself from Spanish control, was viewed by American officials as “dysfunctional”. They had looked upon the situation in the period post 1812, considered going to war against Mexico and rejected the idea. There was no ‘hate’ against Mexico.

Settlers from Mexico could not be enticed into Texas, so the new Mexican government offered land to Americans willing to come to Texas as settlers. Converting to Roman Catholicism was mandatory, and many took the offer.

The reason Texans, both of Mexican and American origin, decided to revolt was due to when Santa Ana suspended the 1824 Republican Constitution in order to establish a highly centralized government. Civil war spread across the country, and three new governments declared independence: the Republic of Texas, the Republic of the Rio Grande and the Republic of Yucatán.

It would be 15+ years before Texas joined the United States, and the arguments in Congress were ferocious by the varied political parties.

Mexico was a political mess, always in revolt and debt. They settled some international charges by foreign governments by offering land in North America. That is how the U.S. came to the realization that Mexico couldn’t manage California and New Mexico. Mexico couldn’t provided enough troops to protect their people from marauding Indians.

In the 1780s Mexico was a large and populous colonial nation that had far greater resources that the puny 13 United States with a population of about three million. Forty years later it would be quite different, which just demonstrates how inefficient a highly centralized government with a stratified society based on the Spanish Viceroyalty was compared with the free-wheeling United States of America.

No, livius, it was the Mexicans who hated the successful United States, not the other way around.


20 posted on 05/25/2014 2:22:11 PM PDT by SatinDoll (A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN IS BORN IN THE US OF US CITIZEN PARENTS.)
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To: TigersEye

I always thought the food was lousy in Mexico, but I thought that opinion may have been partly because I never had much money, and always ate cheap, but even trying to be optimistic, I didn’t believe that I was really just having such an almost unbroken string of bad luck in choosing cafes.


21 posted on 05/25/2014 2:25:01 PM PDT by ansel12 ((Ted Cruz and Mike Lee-both of whom sit on the Senate Judiciary Comm as Ginsberg's importance fades)
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To: ansel12

I didn’t like it much either and we didn’t always eat on the cheap. Stayed in some nice hotels and went to some nice restaurants. The best food was in better restaurants serving American or somewhat French cuisine. On the Pacific coast the seafood was good. Also, your description of Mexico in the ‘50s is exactly what it was like in the late ‘60s. I think it is even worse now.


22 posted on 05/25/2014 2:32:22 PM PDT by TigersEye ("No man left behind" is more than an Army Ranger credo it's the character of America.)
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To: SatinDoll

Actually, Spain had claimed and even settled most of the American Southwest and SE, including Florida. The only Huguenots who ever landed here were sent by the French king in 1565 to prevent the Spanish (who had already explored and claimed the territory of Florida) from settling on the Atlantic coast, since most Spanish settlements had been on the Gulf coast although the Spanish had gone all the way to the Hudson on the East coast and had planned to build a number of settlements there.

When the Spanish learned of the French plans, they sent Pedro Menendez de Aviles, the commander of the Atlantic fleet, to Florida. He was also going to look for his son, who had disappeared in the Caribbean during one of the voyages, and the Spanish Crown funded his voyage with the condition that he would protect Spanish Florida.

When he got here, the French king (who was Catholic, btw) had sent the Norman Huguenots. Normans were excellent sailors but generally considered pirates by Spain and the rest of Europe, because they either had letters of marque or didn’t have letters of marque and simply set out on their own. They harassed the coasts of Spain and Portugal and also the Azores. They would plunder not only ships but coastal villages, destroying and sacking the (Catholic) churches, and on more than one occasion, setting fire to them with the priest and the more important parishioners inside. In their words, they did this “on behalf” of Protestantism and not France, btw.

Pedro Menendez actually spent 5 years in a French prison because they captured him and wouldn’t exchange him.

When he got here, the French had arrived about 2 months earlier and had built a fort. They were Protestants because that was the group that the (Catholic) French king had sent here. Menendez attacked the fort, spared the women and children (and the musicians, because often the pipe band was made up of young people who had been impressed or captured, and had no ideological views) and sent the survivors away on various ships.

One of the ships turned back to St Augustine, and the Huguenots were sneaking up on the town to attack the population in their sleep when Menendez found them and killed them all (except for the Catholics and the musicians, who were impressed or prisoners).

One of the other French ships went off course and ran aground, and the French shipwreck victims unfortunately arrived not long after the French attack. Menendez put them to death too, but he actually later on said that he regretted this because he let his anger at the earlier attack overcome his military procedures. Normally, the second group would have been spared and ransomed for Spanish sailors and military personnel in French captivity, but he couldn’t feed them for the winter and he obviously was not inclined, after the first French attacks, to begin negotiations with a French king who had not even openly declared this war.

You have to look at all of this in the context of European history, something of which most Americans are completely ignorant.

Religion played into it, too, however, and was used by both sides. But the Protestant hatred of Catholics is probably why the Protestants were destroying Spanish churches on the Spanish coast, burning to death villagers and priests, and leaving destruction that can still be seen (they hacked off the hands and faces of the statues). Almost as bad as the Muslims.


23 posted on 05/25/2014 3:07:44 PM PDT by livius
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To: livius

I am fully aware that the political situation in Europe at the time was mirrored in North America. Roman Catholics were burned at the stake in Massachusetts during the same time period, hardly what I would call friendly.

You made the claim that Americans hate Mexicans. That is not true. We have always been opposed to large populations trying to come here en masse, whether they were Chinese, Eastern Europeans, or Italians. It is far easier to assimilate foreigners if they come here in small groups of less than 100,000.

I’m originally from California, and my best friend had been born in Chihuahua. She’s now a U.S. citizen, a military veteran, and married to an Anglo from a Midwestern state. Assimilated? You bet.

What we have on our southern border is an invasion force. This force also includes a violent criminal class along with Muslims from the Middle East passing themselves as Mexican. This is not a friendly situation, and your statement that we hate Mexicans only adds the equivalent of pouring gasoline onto a raging fire.


24 posted on 05/25/2014 4:54:41 PM PDT by SatinDoll (A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN IS BORN IN THE US OF US CITIZEN PARENTS.)
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To: luvbach1
You’re on the mark. Mordida (bribery) is a way of life in among officialdom in Mexico.

We do it even better here in the USA.

25 posted on 05/26/2014 9:57:42 PM PDT by Half Vast Conspiracy (Settled science.)
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