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Why We Are Never Going To Make It! Even If There Never Was An Obama or A Democrat Ever To Exist!
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Posted on 05/31/2014 9:22:53 AM PDT by lbryce

Finally,'What difference Does It Make? A Glib,Insipid Distinction Without Any Difference.

Noah Diffenbaugh's profile photo Noah Diffenbaugh Shared publicly - 10:34 AM I Say "Global Warming"

Do you say "global warming" or "climate change"?

+Anthony Leiserowitz and the +Yale University Project on Climate Change Communication have released a new poll showing that "_the term "global warming" is associated with greater public understanding, emotional engagement, and support for personal and national action than the term "climate change._"

I often get asked why I say "global warming". The answer is that we have very robust, direct measurements that the mean global temperature near Earth's surface has been increasing. Hence, "global warming".

I do also say "climate change", when referring to changes in the patterns of temperature, precipitation, winds, and other climate variables.

You can read the full report from +Anthony Leiserowitz et al. here: http://environment.yale.edu/climate-communication/article/global-warming-vs-climate-change/

You can see the global temperature record here: https://www2.ucar.edu/climate/faq/how-much-has-global-temperature-risen-last-100-years

You can read an article in +Scientific American about one example of climate change that was recently identified by my +Stanford University graduate student +deepti singh here: http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/indian-monsoons-are-becoming-more-extreme/

#climatechange #globalwarming #science #sciencecommunication

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OMG! Don't we have so many problems, so many issues, matters to deal with, that we are not going to solve and yet there are people out there who actually fabricate a crisis as fake and phoney as Obama's birth certificate with which to use in getting people to waste time, resources, wherewithal, money for absolutely nothing positive to ever come out of it. That's why we're screwed. Even if Obama never happened, even if we're not in the biggest mess in recorded history, we're not going to make it simply because of complete and utter idiots like this guy.
1 posted on 05/31/2014 9:22:53 AM PDT by lbryce
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To: lbryce

#voodoohokum

#progressiveexcrementtation


2 posted on 05/31/2014 9:35:28 AM PDT by MeshugeMikey ( "Never, never, never give up". Winston Churchill)
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To: lbryce

Being infested with idiots is nothing new in this world. I suspect every generation throughout history has had it’s own version of gloomers and doomers. Somehow those generations managed to gradually advance and I suspect we will to.


3 posted on 05/31/2014 9:35:57 AM PDT by smoothsailing
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To: lbryce; NFHale; DuncanWaring; Marcella; Windflier; AllAmericanGirl44; bobby.223; raybbr; ...
So what are you advocating? Folding the tents and surrendering? Or getting off our fat, lazy a**es and fighting back, which we should've been doing 25 years ago?

I, for one, am sick and freakin' tired of the surrender monkey "we can't win" mindset...especially since we haven't yet begun to fight. If you're not willing to get your nose bloodied -- figuratively speaking, of course, but literally if need be -- you're no good to us. Go expat like so many other cowards on FReep, and "may posterity forget that you were our countrymen (Samuel Adams)."

Dawgs, heads up...our "buddy", Alex the Worm, may be showing up on this thread...it's just his speed.

Dawg Soldiers up! Grrrrr....

Scouts Out! Cavalry Ho!

4 posted on 05/31/2014 9:36:30 AM PDT by wku man (We are the 53%! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YUXN0GDuLN4)
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To: wku man

You’re point is well taken. And my comment was merely to make point as well. And no I am not surrendering. But reading this guy’s statement, the determination, conviction of his beliefs made me realize how our very real problems are. and that there are people like him who are only going to get in the way, vying for the same resources we need to resolve our real problems, money, resources with kooky, self-defeating solutions that is only going to make things worse.

That’s a very difficult set of circumstances to have to deal with, deluded people who have an agenda that is as fake, phoney and fraudulent as anything imaginable, looking to try and fix what for all intents and purposes is a sisyphean even if we could manage t accomplish what these hare-brained idiots think they could ever do.


5 posted on 05/31/2014 9:54:45 AM PDT by lbryce (Barack Obama:Misbegotten Bastard OffSpring of Satan and Medusa.)
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To: wku man

I’m an optimist. I’ve seen huge changes in Michigan in the last several years and they didn’t come as a result of despair or anger.


6 posted on 05/31/2014 9:55:37 AM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin.)
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To: lbryce

In the case of the Obama birth certificate issue, I have never believed he was eligible but decided pretty early on that it wasn’t going to be enough to remove him and wasn’t worth wasting time on.

Overall I’d like to see more optimism from conservatives. Less what we won’t do and more what we will do for all of America.


7 posted on 05/31/2014 10:00:23 AM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin.)
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To: lbryce
Do you say "global warming" or "climate change"?

I prefer "phoney crisis for instituting global socialism"

But I don't share the OPs pessimism. The European elections are an early sign that liberal nonsense is unsustainable - and that includes the PCFIGS.

8 posted on 05/31/2014 10:04:51 AM PDT by kidd
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To: cripplecreek

And look at Australia where the new government has done a 180 on the previous socialist government warmist stand. They slashed agw research by 90%!


9 posted on 05/31/2014 10:05:22 AM PDT by aquila48
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To: lbryce

http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/3162162/posts
This is a link to today’s Joe Bastardi Saturday Summary. I have learned so much from these and Joe’s Twitter feed. He has more charts than I know what to do with, but it is fun to learn the meaning of the charts and use them to argue in any forum I can argue in.
The AMO will flip, the polar ice will return, people will realize that they have been lied to, and they will be pissed.


10 posted on 05/31/2014 10:19:37 AM PDT by Excellence (Marine mom since April 11, 2014)
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To: Excellence
people will realize that they have been lied to, and they will be pissed.

No they won't. Human nature teaches that a society that no longer holds to moral absolutes will prefer the lie and will go to extreme measures to protect the lie and demand the lies continue to be told.

Isaiah 30:10: "(a people) who say to the seers, “Do not see,” and to the prophets, “Do not prophesy to us what is right; speak to us smooth things, prophesy illusions,"

11 posted on 05/31/2014 10:30:27 AM PDT by INVAR ("Fart for liberty, fart for freedom and fart proudly!" - Benjamin Franklin)
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To: lbryce

You know, I can’t understand why the widespread delusion that CO2 is a problem is so upsetting to those of us who know better.

There is a clear and obvious solution to their “CO2 crisis” that would be good for everyone on the planet - a safe, inexpensive energy source that produces zero carbon emissions. It doesn’t depend on whether the wind blows or the sun shines, and it can be installed virtually anywhere. There is no rational reason not to make it the primary power source for all mankind.

I am talking about nuclear power, of course. And not the idiotic boiling water reactors that have given nuclear a bad reputation and megatons of radioactive waste. We need thorium molten salt reactors and pebble bed reactors, and these global warming bedwetters would be natural allies, they just need to have their energy directed to something useful.

We should all be engaged in respectful dialogue, but always reminding these numbskulls that if they are truly serious, they should be signing petitions and organizing protests in favor of clean, safe nuclear power. we should also urge them to consider that they can probably win over people like us if they focus their arguments on the economic, social and environmental benefits of nuclear power.

There is common ground, we just have to be willing to strive for it.


12 posted on 05/31/2014 10:34:03 AM PDT by Go_Raiders (Freedom doesn't give you the right to take from others, no matter how innocent your program sounds.)
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To: cripplecreek
Overall I’d like to see more optimism from conservatives.

Overall, I would like to see conservatives be more honest with the American public about problems that threaten our national survival and show more passion.

13 posted on 05/31/2014 10:34:08 AM PDT by kabar
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To: lbryce
Okay, I stand corrected. Please forgive the knee-jerk reaction...there are entirely too many surrender monkeys on FReep these days.

Scouts Out! Cavalry Ho!

14 posted on 05/31/2014 11:07:43 AM PDT by wku man (We are the 53%! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YUXN0GDuLN4)
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To: lbryce

What I see in tat chart is that there was a flat period from 50s to 75 (no hydrocarbons burned tn?), they arbitrarily start in 1880, the last 16 years have been flat. And total change is 1 degree, which even by teir own projections does very little over the next 100 years.

This could just as well be a peak. They better get their grant money quick.


15 posted on 05/31/2014 11:11:43 AM PDT by DaxtonBrown (http://www.futurnamics.com/reid.php)
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To: cripplecreek
Glad to hear that. The best place for the fight to happen is at home, be it against City Hall, the state legislature, or your state's congressional delegation. To start, everyone needs to find their congresscritter's district offices and picket, and not shy away from negative local media coverage. Not everyone who watches local news is an idiot...they'll see your signs and think, "dang, that's George from the plant...he's saying what I've been saying for years." Maybe they'll join you the next day.

Scouts Out! Cavalry Ho!

16 posted on 05/31/2014 11:15:06 AM PDT by wku man (We are the 53%! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YUXN0GDuLN4)
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To: kabar; cripplecreek
Sorry to butt in, but I'd like to see some more fight from conservatives...those we elect, those we nominate, and those of us at home. I'd also like to see conservatives quit squandering momentum, like they/we did after the '94 and 2010 elections.

Scouts Out! Cavalry Ho!

17 posted on 05/31/2014 11:17:34 AM PDT by wku man (We are the 53%! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YUXN0GDuLN4)
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To: DaxtonBrown
Very convenient that they started in 1880, eh? That was around the end of the Little Ice Age, when global temperatures had been colder than "normal" for hundreds of years. So of course temps have risen since then. It's also convenient how the infamous "hockey stick" graph purposefully leaves out the Medieval Warm Period.

Scouts Out! Cavalry Ho!

18 posted on 05/31/2014 11:22:49 AM PDT by wku man (We are the 53%! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YUXN0GDuLN4)
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To: Go_Raiders

Screw you, burn oil!!


19 posted on 05/31/2014 11:28:03 AM PDT by dalereed
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To: lbryce

IBTZ!


20 posted on 05/31/2014 11:36:24 AM PDT by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: lbryce
Given the way that these people play with numbers, I'd question whether there really is that much more traction to the phrase "global warming" than "global climate change."

"Global warming" plays directly on people's fears, but it's also easier to ridicule. "Climate change" packs less of an emotional punch, but it's harder for people to shake off, since "climate change" can be going on even if people don't feel a warming trend.

Your guy wants to put his best foot forward and use the slogan or label that helps him more. People do that. It doesn't mean that they're fated to win.

Movements, parties, and the two sides of political debate go through their ups and downs. Sometimes it seems like they're bound to win and can do anything. Sometimes they look like hapless fools who can't do anything right. A few labels don't affect the cycle much.

21 posted on 05/31/2014 12:17:12 PM PDT by x
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To: lbryce
...we're screwed. Even if Obama never happened...

Step away from the computer and go take a walk. You're hyperventilating.

22 posted on 05/31/2014 1:55:35 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Windflier

As I said in post #5, I was simply being histrionic to make a point. But the fact remains, having people using this
in the way this guy takes nothing for granted, is involved in nothing but trying to find a solution where none is needed
is cause for concern.


23 posted on 05/31/2014 2:18:21 PM PDT by lbryce (Barack Obama:Misbegotten Bastard OffSpring of Satan and Medusa.)
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To: dalereed

Wouldn’t you like to have cheaper oil to burn? If we get the pinheads on board with nuclear power, that reduces demand for other fuels, lowering prices.

On the other hand the dirty little secret is that even going nuclear will not reduce the world’s carbon footprint, because it would create economic development; some of which will be spent burning more carbon.

The only truly real way to reduce carbon emission is to kill billions of people and drive billions more into poverty and starvation.


24 posted on 05/31/2014 5:05:42 PM PDT by Go_Raiders (Freedom doesn't give you the right to take from others, no matter how innocent your program sounds.)
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To: Go_Raiders

I don’t give a rats ass about reducing carbon or C02!!

It’s a total nonssue.


25 posted on 05/31/2014 5:08:34 PM PDT by dalereed
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To: lbryce

Its kinda cloudy outside....what caused THAT?


26 posted on 05/31/2014 5:09:36 PM PDT by woofie
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To: Go_Raiders

“There is common ground, we just have to be willing to strive for it.”

I only wish it were so.

Safe affordable alternative energy is not the goal of the clean green team. It is the elimination of industry on the way to the elimination of most humans.


27 posted on 06/01/2014 3:31:27 PM PDT by Blue Collar Christian (Vote Democrat. Once you're OK with killing babies the rest is easy. <BCC><)
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To: Blue Collar Christian

Exactly. This needs to be politely and repeatedly pointed out to them and eventually it may start to sink in.

If you call them out as morons, they won’t listen because they know there is no common ground. If you tell them, “Wow, I agree that this is important, and the only realistic and humane way to solve it is to promote nuclear power, so let’s push for that” then it might start to sink in if they hear it from multiple people.

Deep down they want to feel like they made the world a better place. Their energy just needs to be redirected away from destroying civilization and toward something useful.

In a way, you are wasting your time and energy by pointing out how stupid they are, because they just can’t conceive of what you’re saying. Did you know that this is exactly how Margaret Thatcher and others (successfully) built a support coalition for nuclear power in Great Britain 40 years ago?


28 posted on 06/01/2014 8:30:42 PM PDT by Go_Raiders (Freedom doesn't give you the right to take from others, no matter how innocent your program sounds.)
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To: Go_Raiders

Well, I like your optimism.

I don’t think they are stupid, so I don’t point out their stupidity, I’m wasting my time and energy pointing out their evil intentions.


29 posted on 06/01/2014 9:42:49 PM PDT by Blue Collar Christian (Vote Democrat. Once you're OK with killing babies the rest is easy. <BCC><)
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To: woofie

I don’t know, but yer likely to be taxed for it.

;-)


30 posted on 06/01/2014 9:47:39 PM PDT by RandallFlagg (Uninstall Fascist Firefox. Get Pale Moon.)
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To: wku man; lbryce

“...That’s why we’re screwed....”

Screwed, yes. For now.

“...we’re not going to make it simply because of complete and utter idiots like this guy. ...”

We’ve been through worse. We’ll weather this as well.

One way or another, the hard way or the soft way.

We’re Americans - nothing is impossible to us.


31 posted on 06/02/2014 7:01:35 AM PDT by NFHale (The Second Amendment - By Any Means Necessary.)
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