Posted on 06/01/2014 7:45:05 AM PDT by KeyLargo
Catholic Leaders in Massachusetts Come Out in Support of Sweeping Anti-Gun Legislation May 31 2014 by Dan Cannon Share This Post
According to a statement issued by The Roman Catholic Bishops of the Commonwealth, it looks like the leaders of the Catholic church in Massachusetts have come out in support of a sweeping gun control bill that was introduced late last week.
Here is the statement according to iobserve.org,
“The Roman Catholic Bishops of the Commonwealth are in support of adjustments to existing firearm laws. Any law that would address the role that violence, some mental illnesses, and substance abuse play in many tragedies involving firearms would be a welcomed advance in this area of the law and would be a great benefit to our society.
“It appears that the legislation introduced Tuesday is measured and reasonable; it does not infringe upon the rights of sportsmen and others who possess firearms for legal and legitimate purposes. It would help to prevent tragedies such as those in Newtown, Connecticut or more recently in Isla Vista, California. No community is immune to the possibility of a devastating tragedy. Whatever its final form, it is abundantly clear that legislation aimed toward the reduction of preventable deaths is necessary.”
If Massachusetts Speaker of the House Robert DeLeo gets his way, MA will become one of the least gun friendly states in the country.
The lawmaker today unveiled a gun control package that includes sweeping restrictions. According to The Boston Herald,
The bill, called the state’s most comprehensive since 1998 by House leaders, adds the state to a nationwide criminal background database and, for the first time, allows local police chiefs discretion in licensing owners for shotguns and rifles. The legislation also bans the private sale of guns without a licensed gun dealer and requires gun owners to list all the guns they own each time they renew their license.
“I knew that Massachusetts would take a different path than other states,” said DeLeo, who chided other states for legislation that was “hastily proposed” in the aftermath of the massacre at Newtown’s Sandy Hook elementary school in December 2012. “What is in this legislation is very, very reasonable.”
Was prop 6 led by conservatives, or libertarians?
If what Catholics call "sacraments" were actually a gift...
...then the leadership, the people who partake in the sacraments the most...
...would show some indication of additional wisdom, of additional love, of basic "signs" that a gift has been imparted to them.
Instead, what we see is just the opposite: those that partake in it the most, that pursue Catholicism with, well, "religious fervor" - the leadership - are the ones pushing for all this sin, and most insultingly, are trying to do it using the good name of Christ.
Supporting murder (through extensive outright support of abortion-loving politicians) - check.
Supporting theft and covetousness - through outright calls for socialism - BY THE POPE - check.
Support of false idols - through support (here in the Bay Area) of yoga as a "Catholic practice" - check.
(And yes, although Mary is the mother of Christianity, many, with the Church's support - go way overboard with adoring her, rather than just honoring her.)
Support of lying outright, by being two-faced when questioned why they do the above - check.
Support for foreign invasion, and for making fellow Americans unemployed, through support for amnesty and more H1B visas - check.
Support for tyranny through taking away basic rights of self-defense - check.
On and on and on.
There are things about Catholicism I miss, but the fruits of it are poison, absolute poison. What they say about the sacraments CANNOT be true. Love Christ, not Catholicism!
Wait until some disturbed, armed LIB decides to take over a church service because they are “gun-free” zones.
Catholicism is just another name for so-called social justice, progressivism, liberalism and even communism. This pope and so many of the other entrenched hierarchy of bishops and priests are sellouts. This is just more of it.
CL...
Thanks, for the correction, and dusting off the cobwebs :-) it had been a long time since I last thought of that ballot issue...
To quote the late great Archbishop Fulton J. Sheen:
“WHO IS GOING TO SAVE OUR CHURCH? NOT OUR BISHOPS, NOT OUR PRIESTS AND RELIGIOUS. IT IS UP TO THE PEOPLE. YOU HAVE THE MINDS, THE EYES, THE EARS TO SAVE THE CHURCH. YOUR MISSION IS TO SEE THAT YOUR PRIESTS ACT LIKE PRIESTS, YOUR BISHOPS, LIKE BISHOPS, AND YOUR RELIGIOUS ACT LIKE RELIGIOUS.”
Bishops are director level administrators in RC INC., the largest, most profitable, oldest multinational corporation on the planet.
What do you expect from a group of people that looked the other way for years with Cardinal Law at the helm?
I’m sooo tired of your anti-Catholic rants. Day in, day out.
The anti-Catholic loons are out today - must be Sunday!
I’me never made an anti-Catholic rant, so don’t lie about that, democrat voting and politics was the subject of that post.
You don’t connect the subject of this thread with Catholics being democrat voters?
Not anti-RC. Just against what RC inc has become. Do you realize your diocese probably has on retainer high priced lawyers at upwards fo 500$/hr. to defend against molestation charges? A large portion of your collection plate contribution goes to their legal bills.. Have you ever been involved in being a small part in a priest molestation trial (deposition about what happened to someone in the past?)? It is a very sordid affair and the lawyers for RCINC play for keeps.
Err...I’m a lapsed Catholic who is just sick of the Catholic hatred on FR. I don’t have a diocese. Why don’t you take a deep breath, a la Hillary Clinton, and go bug some Episcopalians.
Little defensive are we when confronted with facts like Dear Leader?
It’s never been the promise of the Church to say her leadership wouldn’t disappoint....
But the doctrine of infallibility assures men will not disappoint under certain conditions. The problem is that this formulaic assured infallibility is neither taught nor required in Scripture. But you believe it, based upon the premise of the assured veracity of Rome.
For Rome has presumed to infallibly declare she is and will be perpetually infallible whenever she speaks in accordance with her infallibly defined (scope and subject-based) formula, which renders her declaration that she is infallible, to be infallible, as well as all else she accordingly declares.
The only promise they keep is that they, as a body (not as individuals) would never teach, corporately and cooperatively, error on faith or morals.
No, Rome does indeed promise individuals would never teach, corporately and cooperatively, error on faith or morals, that being the pope under the said conditions. Yet which is not what Scripture teaches, but which is extrapolated based upon false premises referred to in my last post to you.
Protesters Question Clergyman’s Loyalty
At Archbishop Jose Gomez Residence
Dozens of protesters have shown up at Archbishop of Los Angelus Jose Gomez residence many carrying American flags and bearing signs questioning his loyalty to the US not Mexico along with many signs demanding equal rights for American citizens in Mexico.
The protest was apparently triggered by the clerics decision to push forward with his predecessors decision the disgraced Cardinal Mahoney with offering amnesty thus citizenship to Mexicans crossing the border illegally while thousands of Americans in Mexico suffer under 2nd class citizenship unable to own property and suffer indignitys let alone participate in Mexican elections while living there in Mexico.
A spokeswoman for the group, Harriet Hildegarden insisted her group consists of Catholics loyal to the church. “We will be protesting at other locations where prominent clergy of the church have sided with the Obama regime”Hildy” claims the church is supporting the democrat party which denied God at their convention and declared what she claims is war on the Catholics but would collude with i t on many issues including “amnesty” .
When asked if she may be denied communion for her activities her reply was “Well it’s been known that when that happens quicker when clerics get personally attacked than when some politican challanges the church on the grounds of faith and morals” . You didn’t hear much from them (the bishops) about the Gosnell baby murderer trial. Now that it’s winding up perhaps the bishops might call a “conference” next year but they sure acted swiftly when it comes to allowing this country resigning its sovereign rights new parishioners.
http://www.theusmat.com/natldesksatire.htm
WHILE THIS WAS SATIRE THAT’S WHAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN
Ah, nothing like a content-free attempted insult to prove...
...that you have no content to dispute our points.
Love Christ, not an organization.
“reasonable”
Sure thing dirt-bag!
You can posit all you want, but this isn’t the only time it’s leadership has “disappointed.”
You demand Scriptural proof of an infallible magisterium but when given to you by other Catholics you reject it because you don’t agree with it. You don’t agree with it because you reject the idea of an infallible magisterium to begin with.
I can see no further reason to go around in this circle with you. Either you accept from your own experience that human beings need a final tangible authority to settle matters of dispute, and that Jesus knows this need which is why he established the church the way he did, or you don’t. You don’t agree that God uses humans to teach humans. You don’t agree that Tradition actually generated Scripture, (both new and old testaments) you don’t agree that there is any need for a teaching authority despite your protestations (no pun intended) to the contrary.
What function does a teaching authority serve if, at a certain point in a study of Scripture you come to a point where you disagree with your teachers? Your elders? You may submit to them or you might not, citing the Bible as your reason to disagree. And then you leave that church to find or found another and the process starts all over again.
Your teachers are mere figureheads, at the mercy and whim of their flock. The pastor doesn’t fulfill his role of Shepard in that scenario, he’s a man of popularity. Trying to please as many as possible in his congregation so they don’t all leave or throw him out. After all, it’s their right to do so, if the pastor doesn’t follow the Bible (ie, do what the congregation THINKS the Bible says).
There’s no real submission there. There’s no real authority. There’s no vulnerability on the part of the people who are unwilling to say, “You know what, I might just be wrong and can’t see it. I may never be able to see how I’m wrong but I’m willing to trust in my elders over my own opinion”.
There’s none of that. And there should be. Or else tradition and history and a teacher, all appointed and given by God, have no meaning.
The Bible can’t be the sole rule on matters of faith, all of human history proves all this does is not only allow, but encourage individuals to ignore history and tradition whenever it suits them, eventually citing Scripture as the reason for fragmentation. As I’ve said to another if that kind of disorder and rebelliousness is what you believe God intends for his “invisible church” so be it. It just doesn’t work for me, as a believer who’s also a human being.
I don’t know why the both of you seem to have such a problem believing that God uses fallible men to teach truth.
Were the authors of Scripture sinless? I don’t think they were. But they were used by God in an even greater way than occurs today! The written word of God is closed, but even THAT was written by fallible men.
Somehow though, the notion that, today, God would keep a few of these fallible men from just teaching error (which is LESS than the Word of God itself) is an anathema? Satanic? Cultish?
Do you believe in miracles? Really?
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