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Belmont claims 1 more Triple Crown pretender. Here are the 11 past winners, times and jockeys
Coach is Right ^ | 6/8/14 | Doug Book

Posted on 06/08/2014 9:37:40 AM PDT by Oldpuppymax

From about 1885 until 1915, pacers and trotters were racing royalty in America, the popularity of these standardbred horses greater than that of any baseball star or other spectator sport. When the immortal pacer Dan Patch fell ill in 1904, news of his malady traveled across the nation as racing fans and the public at large anxiously sought out the slightest scrap of information about his condition. Of course, at a time when Ty Cobb, the country’s highest paid baseball player made $12,000 per year, Dan Patch was earning $1 million! And stories of Dan’s successes on the track were regularly printed above those of Cobb on the nation’s sports pages.

Then in 1917, the mare Mahuba had a foal; a large, beautifully conformed, chestnut-colored colt which owner August Belmont’s wife Eleanor Robson Belmont would name Man o’ War. Two years later, racing on the turf had made an astonishing comeback. With even authorities in New York no longer working to drive thoroughbred racing with its “crooked bookies” and...

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TOPICS: History; Pets/Animals; Sports
KEYWORDS: belmontstakes; blogpimp; manowar; thoroughbreds; triplecrown

1 posted on 06/08/2014 9:37:41 AM PDT by Oldpuppymax
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To: Oldpuppymax
Here are the 11 past winners, times and jockeys

Where? I don't see them.

What stopped you from posting them?

2 posted on 06/08/2014 9:38:49 AM PDT by humblegunner
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To: humblegunner

You have to open the article to read the list.

What’s the story on the first colt with 2;17 TIME? Its that an error? Must be since later it gives the time of 2:28 as setting a Belmont record. That was before Secretariat, of course.


3 posted on 06/08/2014 9:55:42 AM PDT by Gumdrop (~)
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To: Gumdrop
You have to open the article to read the list.

Yeah, that's the scam.

Homeboy is pimping for hits.

There's no other reason for him to excerpt this blog.

The hits pay for his hookers and crack.

4 posted on 06/08/2014 9:58:10 AM PDT by humblegunner
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To: Oldpuppymax
From another thread

Triple Crown Winners

1919 - Sir Barton
1930 - Gallant Fox
1935 - Omaha
1937 - War Admiral
1941 - Whirlaway
1943 - Count Fleet
1946 - Assault
1948 - Citation
1973 - Secretariat
1977 - Seattle Slew
1978 - Affirmed


5 posted on 06/08/2014 10:03:33 AM PDT by deport
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To: deport

11 great horses. And the 1973 winner was the best of the 11.


6 posted on 06/08/2014 10:08:47 AM PDT by EQAndyBuzz ("Heck of a reset there, Hillary")
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To: Gumdrop
What’s the story on the first colt with 2;17 TIME? Its that an error? Must be since later it gives the time of 2:28 as setting a Belmont record. That was before Secretariat, of course.

The blog says that that earlier race from 1917 was 1 3/8 miles before they changed the distance to 1 1/2 miles.

7 posted on 06/08/2014 10:13:34 AM PDT by Chesterbelloc
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To: Oldpuppymax

The Triple Crown is a farce! Horses aren’t bred the same today as they were back then.


8 posted on 06/08/2014 10:16:11 AM PDT by fortheDeclaration (Pr 14:34 Righteousness exalteth a nation:but sin is a reproach to any people)
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To: Gumdrop

The Belmont has had varying distances. Some were as high as 1 5/8 miles. That race was 1 3/8 miles.
The standard became 1 1/2 miles in 1925.


9 posted on 06/08/2014 10:25:07 AM PDT by deport
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To: deport
Triple Crowns Racing is global. Click the link, scroll down and see the various TPCs from around the world.
10 posted on 06/08/2014 10:31:32 AM PDT by deport
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To: fortheDeclaration

Can you explain what the difference is?


11 posted on 06/08/2014 10:50:47 AM PDT by CaptainK (...please make it stop. Shake a can of pennies at it.)
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To: CaptainK

General fragility of body and leg bones, in particular.

That’s why so many shatter their cannons and get put down.

Native Dancer gets the hereditary blame.


12 posted on 06/08/2014 10:59:16 AM PDT by Salamander (He ain't heavy, he's my Boa.)
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To: deport
Looking at this record it can be shown mathematically that a 37 year wait between winners is not so unusual.
Year	Gap
1919	
1930	11
1935	5
1937	2
1941	4
1943	2
1946	3
1948	2
1973	25
1977	4
1978	1

The standard deviation is 7.3 years so to wait 37 years is about a 1 in 10,000 event. Seems like we should be asking if there has been a fundamental change in the system.

However, look at the "track" record through 1948. Standard deviation is only 4.1. A winner every 3-4 years.

But then there's a 25 year gap until 1973. Wow. This equates to a 1 in a million gap given the track record up until 1948.

So the owner was correct.

He (we) may not live to see another TC. However, with the experience in gaps to date, this is normal. Not due to changes in the sport.

13 posted on 06/08/2014 11:21:03 AM PDT by cicero2k
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To: CaptainK

Horsey style isn’t as popular anymore?


14 posted on 06/08/2014 11:28:41 AM PDT by Hegewisch Dupa
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To: Salamander
Native Dancer gets the hereditary blame.

Did you mean Northern Dancer? You mean we can blame Canada once again?

15 posted on 06/08/2014 11:36:41 AM PDT by hecticskeptic
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To: hecticskeptic

No, it’s Native, not Northern.

http://sports.espn.go.com/sports/horse/triplecrown08/columns/story?id=3399004

Ruffian is why I have not watched a horse race since she went down.

Their legs are too light and they’re too “greyhound-y” compared to Man O’ War and the older, heavier horses.


16 posted on 06/08/2014 11:59:14 AM PDT by Salamander (He ain't heavy, he's my Boa.)
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To: Salamander

My mistake... Native Dancer was the damsire of Northern Dancer.


17 posted on 06/08/2014 12:03:50 PM PDT by hecticskeptic
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To: hecticskeptic
Yes, and the prepotent Raise A Native infiltrates nearly every blood horse on the track.

Eight Belles gave her all and her reward was exploded legs and a needleful of death.

Horses are intelligent, sentient animals.

What must she have been thinking?

I hate horse racing.

18 posted on 06/08/2014 12:18:43 PM PDT by Salamander (He ain't heavy, he's my Boa.)
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To: Salamander

The modern thoughbred is an accident waiting to happen.All muscle and about half the bone needed to get all that energy to the ground.The only horses that Beckie and I will own are foundation bred quarterhorses or mustangs.The muscle and bone are in balance with these animals,and their minds and temperment are vastly superior.


19 posted on 06/08/2014 12:33:42 PM PDT by Farmer Dean (stop worrying about what they want to do to you,start thinking about what you want to do to them)
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To: deport

The interesting thing about that list is that only one horse, Seattle Slew, amounted to much at stud.


20 posted on 06/08/2014 12:33:48 PM PDT by Catmom (We're all gonna get the punishment only some of us deserve.)
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To: Farmer Dean

Yes!

I applaud your choice of horses.

I also rather enjoy the new trend of breeding draught horses to warm bloods.

Moderate, solid animals with a bit of ‘gait’, for good measure.

I don’t like scrawny *anything*.

[show breeders did this to my beloved Dobermanns and the breed has suffered for it]


21 posted on 06/08/2014 12:40:43 PM PDT by Salamander (He ain't heavy, he's my Boa.)
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To: humblegunner

These?

Quote from article

‘Triple Crown winners Time Jockey

1919 Sir Barton 2:17 2/5 John Loftus

1930 Gallant Fox 2:31 3/5 Earl Sande

1935 Omaha 2:30 3/5 William Saunders

1937 War Admiral 2:28 1/5 Charley Kurtsinger

1941 Whirlaway 2:31 Eddie Arcaro

1943 Count Fleet 2:28 1/5 John Longden

1946 Assault 2:30 4/5 Warren Mehrtens

1948 Citation 2:28 1/5 Eddie Arcaro

1973 Secretariat 2:24 Ron Turcotte

1977 Seattle Slew 2:29 3/5 Jean Cruguet

1978 Affirmed 2:26 4/5 Steve Cauthen


22 posted on 06/08/2014 12:43:27 PM PDT by Pikachu_Dad (Impeach Sen Quinn)
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To: Catmom

War Admiral was not too shabby in that department.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_Admiral


23 posted on 06/08/2014 12:47:05 PM PDT by Salamander (He ain't heavy, he's my Boa.)
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To: Salamander

There’s one other breed that we reccomend,the Missouri Fox Trotter.We own one,he’s the equine good will ambassador.He’s gaited,calm,and is willing to work with anybody.His attitude is not an anomily,all the Fox Trotters I’ve ever worked with are just like him.


24 posted on 06/08/2014 12:47:27 PM PDT by Farmer Dean (stop worrying about what they want to do to you,start thinking about what you want to do to them)
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To: Farmer Dean

Sensible horses, Fox Trotters.

Walkers are also sensible horses and of course, I do not refer to the altered things you’d find in the ring.

I think they’re now referred to as “Plantation Walkers” or some such thing.

A neighbor had a field full of TWH mares and stallions and any one of them, I could catch and ride even though they’d never been trained or ridden, before.

Gentle and patient horses.

[but truth be told, I’ve always loved riding the wild-eyed horses nobody else enjoyed]

;D


25 posted on 06/08/2014 12:52:42 PM PDT by Salamander (He ain't heavy, he's my Boa.)
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To: Pikachu_Dad

Yeah, after clicking his link.

Could have been posted in full, but wasn’t.

To get that click.


26 posted on 06/08/2014 12:58:28 PM PDT by humblegunner
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To: Salamander

I think you would love riding our mustang mare.She not wild eyed,but is she ever fast.She’s the result of hundereds of years of careful breeding(the Spanish knew what they wanted in a horse and worked to get the right animal)and it shows.When I ride her it’s a partnership,and she does everything right.


27 posted on 06/08/2014 1:01:51 PM PDT by Farmer Dean (stop worrying about what they want to do to you,start thinking about what you want to do to them)
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To: Farmer Dean

I’m very aware of the mustang heritage.

[Spanish Barb, Arabian, Lustiano and Andalusian...what a glorious mix!]

Yes, I would no doubt love her.

The horses of my youth were an American Saddlebred/Arab mix mare and a QH/App gelding.

Both were fast and hot and we all mutually adored one another.

I did not ride them like my dad did and they would always perform much better and more willingly for me, much to his annoyance.

We were always of one mind and one heart.
He just got on and forced them to his will.

I always ‘took them into account’, as it were.

I miss them every day.


28 posted on 06/08/2014 1:14:49 PM PDT by Salamander (He ain't heavy, he's my Boa.)
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To: humblegunner

“You have to open the article to read the list.

Yeah, that’s the scam.

Homeboy is pimping for hits.

There’s no other reason for him to excerpt this blog.

The hits pay for his hookers and crack.”

Looks like you should frequent Media Matters rather than FR. The entire piece is about 600 words, more than is necessary to post here. And there is some pretty fair racing history in the piece which many readers might like to read. It isn’t just about the winners list.


29 posted on 06/08/2014 1:36:29 PM PDT by Oldpuppymax
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To: Oldpuppymax; shibumi
The entire piece is about 600 words, more than is necessary to post here.

How is it more or less "necessary" dependent upon where it is posted?

Looks like you should frequent Media Matters rather than FR.

Why? Do they require blogpimps to post the full content?

And there is some pretty fair racing history in the piece which many readers might like to read

So why not post that here?

We all know the answer, don't we?

30 posted on 06/08/2014 1:41:35 PM PDT by humblegunner
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To: hecticskeptic

Native Dancer was Vanderbilt’s great colt who lost his bid for the Triple Crown in the Kentucky Derby when he finished 2nd to Dark Star. Native Dancer had been badly bumped just after the start.
Northern Dancer was the foal of Natalma who was by Native Dancer.


31 posted on 06/08/2014 1:42:12 PM PDT by Oldpuppymax
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To: Oldpuppymax
I still remember watching Secretariat coming down the stretch at Belmont. It was a sight never seen before. /:)

Ed

32 posted on 06/08/2014 2:12:20 PM PDT by husky ed (FOX NEWS ALERT "Generalissimo Francisco Franco is still dead" THIS HAS BEEN A FOX NEWS ALERT)
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To: humblegunner; Oldpuppymax
One trick pony scavenges threads, wags the finger, and contributes nothing of substance to discussions. Just like Annie Wilkes in Misery, a wretched shrew determined to suppress thoughtful dialogue.
33 posted on 06/08/2014 5:02:16 PM PDT by NautiNurse (Obama sends U.S. Marines to pick up his dog & basketballs. Benghazi? Nope.)
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To: husky ed
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V18ui3Rtjz4
34 posted on 06/08/2014 6:01:31 PM PDT by Donald Rumsfeld Fan
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To: Donald Rumsfeld Fan
secretariat
35 posted on 06/08/2014 6:10:30 PM PDT by Donald Rumsfeld Fan
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To: NautiNurse
One trick pony scavenges threads, wags the finger, and contributes nothing of substance to discussions.

That's because he's a blogpimp.

36 posted on 06/08/2014 6:13:55 PM PDT by humblegunner
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To: Gumdrop

Shorter distance. Should be asterisked !


37 posted on 06/09/2014 5:50:22 AM PDT by Pikachu_Dad (Impeach Sen Quinn)
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To: fortheDeclaration

The horses aren’t bred the same?

What’s the difference? Do they now come out of the mares ass?


38 posted on 06/09/2014 5:51:15 AM PDT by Pikachu_Dad (Impeach Sen Quinn)
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To: CaptainK

From what I heard the recent breeding of horses stresses speed and not endurance.


39 posted on 06/09/2014 10:42:48 PM PDT by fortheDeclaration (Pr 14:34 Righteousness exalteth a nation:but sin is a reproach to any people)
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