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New study by IDF reserve colonel says women don't belong in combat
Israel Matzav ^ | 6/11/14 | Carl In Jerusalem

Posted on 06/11/2014 9:47:38 PM PDT by Nachum

A new book by an IDF reserve colonel that studied women's role in combat units says that the women shouldn't be there.
"The study found that a particularly high percentage of women who served in combat roles suffered physical harm during their service and will suffer for the rest of their lives from ruptured discs, stress fractures in the pelvis, uterine prolapse and more,” Sagi told Maariv/NRG.

While men also suffer injuries during their military service, he said, studies prove that the female rate of injury is much higher and that the seriousness of the average injury is greater, with entire platoons sometimes unable to function because of the physical state of the female soldiers. The injuries referred to are incurred in training and routine deployment – not actual combat.

"The idea that there is no difference between men and women in the army is a ridiculous one that has been disproved in all of the world's militaries,” Sagi insisted. “One cannot defeat evolution. In days in which a meaningful reduction of the defense budget is required – there is no doubt that the matter of placing women in combat roles requires reassessment.”

"People will read the book and discover that they have been misled in everything pertaining to women's service in the military,” he predicted. “The integration of women in the army has not succeeded, but everyone keeps shouting at us, that we must open before women the remaining units that have not yet been opened to them. I do not know what will help understand that this is a serious mistake.”

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The book describes ludicrous measures by which women's lesser suitabilty for combat roles is masked. These include lowering the bar of requirements for women wishing to enter combat units, placing benches next to walls that trainees jump over (only for the women to use), running laps in circles (instead of straight-line runs from point A to point B) to make it less obvious that the women are lagging behind the men, and more.

The IDF told Maariv/NRG that Sagi's claims are “completely baseless” and that women's integration into combat units has been a success. “Female combat soldiers are dealt with in a supervised manner, which takes into account their medical, physiological and social needs,” the army said.

 Waiting to see if the same people come out of the woodwork as did the last time I raised this issue.

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TOPICS: Military/Veterans
KEYWORDS: combat; idf; israel; women

1 posted on 06/11/2014 9:47:38 PM PDT by Nachum
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To: Nachum

Well, if 0bama wasn’t yet ready to ditch Israel, this will surely be the last straw...


2 posted on 06/11/2014 9:55:45 PM PDT by FredZarguna (Das ist nicht nur nicht richtig, es ist nicht einmal falsch!)
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To: Nachum

I could have told them that - no charge.


3 posted on 06/11/2014 9:56:41 PM PDT by JudyinCanada
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To: Nachum

Yet a handful here on FR insist..


4 posted on 06/11/2014 9:59:11 PM PDT by wardaddy (we will not take back our way of life through peaceful means.....i have 5 kids....i fear for them)
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5 posted on 06/11/2014 10:04:22 PM PDT by narses (Matthew 7:6. He appears to have made up his mind let him live with the consequences.)
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To: Nachum

Don’t be paternalistic. If the ladies want to be Sarah Conner, let them.


6 posted on 06/11/2014 10:04:55 PM PDT by Ciexyz
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To: Nachum
“Female combat soldiers are dealt with in a supervised manner, which takes into account their medical, physiological and social needs,”

Yeah, that's what the Army's about, the needs of the soldiers.

7 posted on 06/11/2014 10:06:48 PM PDT by Jeff Chandler (Conservatism is the political disposition of grown-ups.)
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To: Nachum

I didn’t need a study to know that women don’t belong in combat. It’s obvious. But our present administration lives within a bubble where there is a certain agenda and the obvious is ignored.


8 posted on 06/11/2014 10:09:28 PM PDT by Essie
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To: Nachum

I support the IDF but those girl soldiers look like they don’t have a freaking clue. Where the heck are their helmets if they’re doing combat drills?

Got to go google pix of IDF beach babes with their M-16s. Stacked & packed!


9 posted on 06/11/2014 10:27:30 PM PDT by elcid1970 ("In the modern world, Muslims are living fossils.")
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To: Nachum

Yes. But there are exceptions. I once dated a female IDF tank corps commander — and I’d have rather been run over by her tanks.


10 posted on 06/11/2014 10:37:02 PM PDT by faithhopecharity ((Brilliant, Profound Tag Line Goes Here, just as soon as I can think of one..))
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To: Ciexyz

The military isn’t built on fantasy characters.


11 posted on 06/11/2014 10:43:44 PM PDT by ansel12 ((Ted Cruz and Mike Lee-both of whom sit on the Senate Judiciary Comm as Ginsberg's importance fades)
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To: Nachum
Women don't belong in combat.

In WWII, during the Battle of the Bulge, the city off Bastogne was under siege and being held by an American Ranger Battalion. Holding this city was critical to preventing the German advance. The weather was bitterly cold in one of the worst winters Europe had seen in many years and the US Rangers were pushed to the limits of physical endurance to hold the line.

In order to relieve Bastogne, Gen Patton pulled together an Armored task force, disengaged them from existing combat and led them to Bastogne to relieve in another almost miraculous feat of pushing the level of human endurance.

It was a close thing but they pulled it off.

There is a high degree of likelihood that they would not have been able to execute this if women had been in the front line of combat.

Israel,on the other hand, is a special case of a geographically small country with a small population surrounded on all sided by a much larger population that wants to destroy them.

Regardless of combat efficiency , in a major conflict all of Israel is going to be the front lines and women are going to inevitably be involved in the war so combat training is be an important factor. Another lesson we learned from more desperate early days of WWII was that well trained women can do an excellent job of freeing up men for front line combat duties

12 posted on 06/12/2014 1:49:36 AM PDT by rdcbn
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To: Nachum
This push to put women into combat units is stupid and criminal: in the drive to make everybody feel better about themselves, we are wrecking our combat capabilities.

Soldiering is about turning young men into weapons. It's hard to do and not every young man is capable of it. It is physically and psychologically demanding and always will be. When you add the lack of testosterone, the physical differences and the disruptive effects of emotions and hormones to the mix, we will lose any real combat capability.

Our leaders are all really aware of this but all of them are too fixated in keeping their careers on track to say anything.

13 posted on 06/12/2014 2:58:27 AM PDT by Chainmail (A simple rule of life: if you can be blamed, you're responsible.)
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To: All

I can see them as a last line of defense but as a unit in direct combat operations, no way.


14 posted on 06/12/2014 3:07:22 AM PDT by newnhdad (Our new motto: USA, it was fun while it lasted.)
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To: rdcbn
Guess that ranger bn in bastogne will be news to the 101st. The IDF stopped putting women in combat units after the ‘48 war. There is a difference between having combat training and being in a combat unit. Just because you can doesn't mean you should. Woman can pee standing up too but not as well as men
15 posted on 06/12/2014 3:40:53 AM PDT by bravo whiskey (We should not fear our government. Our government should fear us.)
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To: bravo whiskey

Israel does have women serving the the Caracal Battalion and has since 2000.


16 posted on 06/12/2014 3:48:11 AM PDT by rdcbn
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To: Nachum

17 posted on 06/12/2014 4:55:42 AM PDT by wetphoenix
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To: rdcbn; bravo whiskey
As I understand it, in Israel it was a military decision based on military effectiveness to stop using women in combat, and judicial fiat based om "equality" that later put them back in.
18 posted on 06/12/2014 5:02:25 AM PDT by maryz
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To: wetphoenix
That picture is an old school photo manipulation job.


19 posted on 06/12/2014 7:37:24 AM PDT by Malsua
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To: Malsua

Wow. It must have took some time and skill before photoshop!


20 posted on 06/12/2014 8:45:12 AM PDT by wetphoenix
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To: Nachum

Well, no Shiite, Sherlock.


21 posted on 06/12/2014 11:41:02 AM PDT by dsc (Any attempt to move a government to the left is a crime against humanity.)
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To: dsc

I was unclear, sorry.

“No Shiite, Sherlock was a response to the statement, “Women don’t belong in combat.”


22 posted on 06/12/2014 11:46:39 AM PDT by dsc (Any attempt to move a government to the left is a crime against humanity.)
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To: Ciexyz

“Don’t be paternalistic. If the ladies want to be Sarah Conner, let them.”

Then who are young men supposed to marry and have children with?

Men have their duties, and women have theirs.


23 posted on 06/12/2014 11:48:52 AM PDT by dsc (Any attempt to move a government to the left is a crime against humanity.)
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To: elcid1970

I wonder if that’s Este Lauder face paint or Hello Kitty?


24 posted on 06/12/2014 2:23:50 PM PDT by TurboZamboni (Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable.-JFK)
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