President Obama Ignores Australian "Mass Shooting" in 2002, Five Years After Gun Confiscation

Gun Watch ^ | 13 June, 2014 | Dean Weingarten

[marktwain]

Australian 1997 Gun Confiscation/Destruction in Progress

In the Monash University Shooting, only two people were killed, so it does not make the list of mass killings, in which four people unrelated to the shooter are required to meet the definition of a mass killing.

It was not for lack of trying.   The shooter had six handguns, which it appears that he obtained legally.   He killed two people and wounded five others before he was stopped by citizens who rushed him as he fumbled for one of the other five handguns on his person.  While the wounded lecturer of the class, was not armed, he exhibited great courage in restraining him as a martial arts trained student tackled him.  All of this occurred in 2002, five years after the huge gun confiscation system was put into place in Australia.

The only academic study that attempts to determine if the Australian gun confiscation scheme had any effect on mass shootings uses the "four dead" definition, so it excludes the Monash University shooting.   It did not find any evidence that the confiscation reduced mass shootings.  This in depth article explores how extremely restrictive gun control was pushed onto Australians.

The Monash case illustrates the problem with documenting those incidents where citizens resist, either armed or unarmed:  often they stop the killing before it reaches the levels required to define the event as a mass killing.  The idea that  that "resistance is futile" is thus reinforced; because when a mass killing is stopped, it is not a "mass killing" and does not receive the media coverage of events where four or more people are killed.  Here is a link of over a dozen cases where mass killings were clearly stopped by armed citizens.

In this study of media reported mass shootings, the reporter found that when a shooting was stopped by a civilian, the number of dead averaged 2.2, where when the police were relied on, the number was 14.3.

This is obvious when you consider it: there are only about 600,00 t0 750,000 police in the United States.   When a non-police person stops a mass attack, it is likely to be much faster than a police response.  



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[marktwain]

Australian Politicians were wooed by George Soros funded Rebecca Peters to conspire for the gun ban. It was all set up, waiting for a trigger. The trigger was the Port Arthur mass shooting. The "conservative" prime minister, Howard, has repeatedly said that he hated guns.

[Gen.Blather]

A friend just returned from a month in Australia. She describes a nanny state unlike any you could imagine. Food is very expensive. They couldn’t finish their hundred dollar dinner so she asked for a to-go box. She was told that taking food from a restaurant was against the law. The government thinks you can’t control the temperature and the food might go bad and hurt you.

[SunkenCiv]

Thanks marktwain.

[Entrepreneur]

You wouldn’t believe how nanny state Australia has become. We’ve got this romanticized image of Australia, reinforced by things like Outback Steakhouse’s “No Rules. Just Right.” ad campaign. Aussies live under millions of rules. They are far more conformist than any German.

Prices are about double the prices here. Minimum wage is $15/hour, but the average Australian can afford less than the average American. Despite lots of space, they live in smaller homes and drive smaller cars. Work rules hammer employers with maximum work weeks and extended vacations.

Here’s an example of the difference in the prices. One of the better beers in Australia is Cooper’s. It cost $22 a six-pack from a bottle shop in Sydney and slightly more in Cairns. I can buy it in the convenience around the corner, here in Dallas for $11 a six pack. Think about the cost to ship it to the states and distribute it so that it shows up in the neighborhood convenience store. Costs are far higher to get it to us, but prices are far higher in Australia. Why? Taxes.

[Gen.Blather]

I was writing a proposal for the Australian navy as a sub to BAE. The Australian solicitation stated that Australian flagged carriers could not be used. The supplier was responsible for all shipping, delivery and installation. (Meaning we’d have to price in sending technicians with the equipment. That’s very expensive.) When I asked why I was told that due to Australian labor problems they wanted the supplier to do all the work as the supplier could be relied on and Australian labor couldn’t.

[Flintlock]

Aren’t we forgetting something??

Aussies AND the UK both put in draconian gunlaws, too. At about the same time. (I think NZ was also in the mix.)

The result: a UNIFORM 44% INCREASE in ‘gun’ crime.

I didn’t know about the Soros link, but it stands to reason.

[gunnyg]

never see the story of the real crocodile dundee being zapped in the gun confiscation mess!!!

[Ruy Dias de Bivar]

***...to conspire for the gun ban. It was all set up, waiting for a trigger.***

Like California did. They drew up an anti-gun bill, set it aside, then released Pat Purdy from a mental institution for the seventh time.
He legally bought a handgun, passed the background checks, waiting period and all that.
Then he went to Oregon and bought an AK-47/s rifle, went down to Stockton and shot up the school yard.
The bill was quickly introduced and passed before anyone could say “What Happened!”

NEVER TRUST A POLITICIAN!

[Ruy Dias de Bivar]

The Ausies sure weren’t worried about public ownership of guns when the Japs were on their doorstep back in 1942!

[Entrepreneur]

I was writing a proposal for the Australian navy as a sub to BAE. The Australian solicitation stated that Australian flagged carriers could not be used. The supplier was responsible for all shipping, delivery and installation. (Meaning we’d have to price in sending technicians with the equipment. That’s very expensive.) When I asked why I was told that due to Australian labor problems they wanted the supplier to do all the work as the supplier could be relied on and Australian labor couldn’t.

We held a conference with our Aussie contractors in Sydney and they all complained about the lack of work ethic among their employees (not that many of these guys had great ones by U.S. standards). There's sort of a "no worries" mentality that pervades. Unfortunately, I see it creeping into the U.S., expecially among Gen Y (aka, Gen why the hell should I?).