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News roundup: Judge: Most traditional marriage was polygamy
The Salt Lake City Tribune ^ | June 9, 2014 | Thomas Burr and Courtney Tanner

Posted on 06/14/2014 5:05:51 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

Federal judge: Most traditional marriage has been polygamy. Records: Swallow aide tried to cover up deals with Johnson. Huntsman Sr. interested in buying The Tribune.

Happy Monday. A federal judge struck down Wisconsin's gay marriage ban, saying that state officials need to learn a few things about the history of marriage, i.e. that plural marriage is actually more traditional over time. "As an initial matter, defendants and amici have overstated their argument," wrote Judge Barbara Crabb. "Throughout history, the most 'traditional' form of marriage has not been between one man and one woman, but between one man and multiple women, which presumably is not a tradition that defendants and amici would like to continue."

Topping the news: New records show an aide to John Swallow trying to cover-up the backhand deals with Jeremy Johnson. [Trib]

-> Jon Huntsman Sr. said he might be interested in purchasing The Salt Lake Tribune in the future because he believes the valley needs at least two newspapers but that the Justice Department has put a hold on any negotiations. [Trib] [DNews] [Fox13](continued)

(Excerpt) Read more at sltrib.com ...


TOPICS: Government; Politics; Religion; Society
KEYWORDS: gaymarriage; homosexualagenda; marriage; mormons; polygamy; ssm

1 posted on 06/14/2014 5:05:51 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Wait til Adam tells Eve that one.

They’ll have a good laugh at the judge’s expense.


2 posted on 06/14/2014 5:08:29 PM PDT by xzins ( Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for victory!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Is this the same Jon Huntsman Sr. who has a son (JR.) that ran for president. The same Huntsmans who are distantly related to Mitt, but cannot stand him? That Jon Huntsman Sr.?
If so, I can accept that he, as a Mormon, would believe this to be true. Even though the religion officially disowned polygamy now, it has not been so very long that this was their natural status of righteous living.


3 posted on 06/14/2014 5:11:42 PM PDT by lee martell
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
"Throughout history, the most 'traditional' form of marriage has not been between one man and one woman, but between one man and multiple women, which presumably is not a tradition that defendants and amici would like to continue."

I fail to see how that statement bolsters her 'rationale' for redefining marriage anyway.

4 posted on 06/14/2014 5:17:34 PM PDT by fwdude ( You cannot compromise with that which you must defeat.)
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To: xzins

I was wondering how an airhead like this judge got on the federal bench, then I checked to see the prez that nominated her-—Carter, the second worst prez in history.


5 posted on 06/14/2014 5:18:32 PM PDT by jazusamo (Sometimes I think that this is an era when sanity has become controversial: Thomas Sowell)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

What bosh. When even a few men can afford multiple wives, the ordinary man gets one, and a lot get none.

(See the “modern” Islamic world.)


6 posted on 06/14/2014 5:19:19 PM PDT by Tax-chick (I have a classic sports car.)
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To: jazusamo
When you look at these two families -- one monogamous and one polygamous, it's always important to think about the different societal rules that they will bring about, and what they will lead to individuals thinking about themselves.


7 posted on 06/14/2014 5:31:16 PM PDT by xzins ( Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for victory!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I wonder if it is actually true. I know polygamy was existed in ancient times, but always assumed that like homosexuality it was something limited to the upper class. I cannot imagine that the average subsistence farmer in Europe/Asia feudal society or hunter gatherers in Africa/America’s could afford the luxury of a second wife. Even in the Muslim world, far as I know it was strictly something rich people do. I guess a society where man are routinely butchered in combat could be pressured to adopt this.


8 posted on 06/14/2014 5:32:43 PM PDT by BurningOak (Live Free or Die)
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To: xzins

The judge seems to think that women naturally outnumber men 4 to 1, across history and geography.


9 posted on 06/14/2014 5:32:59 PM PDT by Tax-chick (I have a classic sports car.)
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To: BurningOak

Wow, some atrocious spelling in that one...


10 posted on 06/14/2014 5:33:55 PM PDT by BurningOak (Live Free or Die)
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To: BurningOak

In the absence of massive warfare, which results in a preponderance of women, or sex-selection abortion/infanticide (common these days), which results in more men, nature tends to balance the sexes, numerically.

If one man has two wives (absent warfare), one man has none. If one man has thirty wives, twenty-nine have none. In the bad old pre-sanitation days, women died in childbirth a lot, too. That cut the supply even more.


11 posted on 06/14/2014 5:36:10 PM PDT by Tax-chick (I have a classic sports car.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Judge is going to burn in hell


12 posted on 06/14/2014 5:45:35 PM PDT by Viennacon
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To: Tax-chick

Good point. And something happens to those unpaired young men. They’re going to do something with that sex drive.

Also, in my opinion men don’t share real well. (Nor do women, actually.)

And what’s it mean going through life believing that you’re special to no one.


13 posted on 06/14/2014 5:49:05 PM PDT by xzins ( Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for victory!)
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To: xzins

Exactly...My Dad came from a large family, 4 brothers and 6 sisters.

When I was growing up we’d have family get-togethers a couple times a year. With all the uncles, aunts, cousins, second cousins there were a LOT of people but there was only one granddad and grandmom.

I couldn’t even begin to imagine it any other way.


14 posted on 06/14/2014 5:56:16 PM PDT by jazusamo (Sometimes I think that this is an era when sanity has become controversial: Thomas Sowell)
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To: xzins

Anthropology - yes, take it with a grain of salt - shows that women in polygamous societies form their key relationships with their husbands and their sons ... the males they can be sure are connected and have an investment in them.

Men, on the other hand, are isolated. Even brothers and sons are competitors, not part of a cohesive family unit. The Old Testament is so instructive here, if one looks at the people in detail and charts their relationships. Polygamy simply does not work at a societal level, no matter how “good it is to be the King.”


15 posted on 06/14/2014 6:08:03 PM PDT by Tax-chick (I have a classic sports car.)
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To: xzins

Sorry, Frank was pawing at me and Sally wants to get online with her friends.

I meant, women’s key relationships are with their full BROTHERS, same mother, and their sons. Track the sons of Jacob through Genesis into Judges sometime, if you haven’t.


16 posted on 06/14/2014 6:09:58 PM PDT by Tax-chick (I have a classic sports car.)
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To: xzins

The world is full of unmarried women looking for a mate, especially in developing countries:

http://www.loveme.com/women/search.htm

http://www.asiankisses.de/a_search_all.php?l=en&randm=2&randw=3


17 posted on 06/14/2014 6:18:27 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (I will raise $2Million USD for Cruz and/or Palin's next run, what will you do?)
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To: fwdude

Odd that she should choose polygamy as the definition of “marriage” when it was the Supreme Court decision in Reynolds v U.S. that said the government could define and regulate marriage and they then defined marriage as between one man and one woman. So NOW they’re going to say that definition doesn’t apply anymore? Guess that means polygamy will be back in.


18 posted on 06/14/2014 6:32:36 PM PDT by Auntie Dem (Hey! Hey! Ho! Ho! Terrorist lovers gotta go!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

“that plural marriage is actually more traditional over time.”

Ah-huh. Assuming that is the case, how many of those traditional-over-time societies allowed for plural -same sex- marriages?

*crickets chirp*


19 posted on 06/14/2014 7:19:03 PM PDT by DemforBush (A repo man is always intense.)
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To: BurningOak

think more of the biggest strongest warrior taking any woman he wants, and you will see how polygamy was probably the norm for most of history.


20 posted on 06/14/2014 7:30:07 PM PDT by TexasFreeper2009 (Obama lied .. the economy died.)
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To: DemforBush

Dear Judge,

There is a LAW against polygamy.
You are sworn to uphold the LAW.


21 posted on 06/14/2014 7:35:20 PM PDT by alpo (What would Selco do?)
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To: BurningOak
In the Bible, many had two wives, like Jacob, who worked 7 years for Rachel, but had to take Leah first and work 7 more for Rachel. He had 12 children by these two and two concubines who were his wives' handmaidens. Jacob was very rich. I doubt the common herder had more than one, but might have. Most had a wife and concubines.

As for homosexuality, I believe it has always been practiced by anyone strong enough to overcome or entice (bribe) someone smaller and weaker.The wealthy indulged it more because, as ever, they could afford excess in whims, pleasures, etc.

That was and still is a tribal way of life in many cultures. There is one (or more) Asian cultures where women take more than one husband. Perhaps it is economic and it takes more than one to provide for a family.

The Biblical order for us is that a man take a woman and the "two become one flesh". The modern version is the "two become one flesh" until someone decides that 3 or more become one flesh, which pretty much dilutes the equation; decides to split, or just goes off "to find himself or herself."

vaudine

22 posted on 06/14/2014 10:10:29 PM PDT by vaudine
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To: xzins
There's that horrible TV show on TLC or something like that called Sister Wives, about several woman “married’ to one man. And all I can say is those women are so stupid, so foolish. And how this lifestyle must be distorting and confusing the kids born to these women. That women subjugate themselves to such lives, and for what reason, does anyone know? What drives a woman in the 21st century to choose polygamy? Not enough decent men available these days? Then to that I say stay single until you find a true partner who loves you and wants to marry.
23 posted on 06/14/2014 11:27:03 PM PDT by itssme
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To: itssme

There’s that horrible TV show on TLC or something like that called Sister Wives, about several woman “married’ to one man

...yeah, Sister wives is pretty bad, but compared to the rest of TLC’s lineup, it’s relatively high class...’Say Yes to the Dress’ ranks at the top of my loathe list...


24 posted on 06/15/2014 10:24:37 AM PDT by IrishBrigade (')
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