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Everything is optics and cover-up to the most corrupt of American regimes
Coach is Right ^ | 6/15/14 | Suzanne Eovaldi

Posted on 06/15/2014 8:40:26 AM PDT by Oldpuppymax

”So we could’ve gone down there and gotten them easily,” retired USAF Major Eric Stahl told FoxNews.com this week. (1) A one and one half hour prep time and a 3 hour and 15 minute flight into the Benghazi hot zone were their real time statistics. Already on stand-by alert for high priority missions at Ramstein Air Base in Germany, THEY WERE NEVER CALLED by the White House! That fact stands out in the Bret Baier interview which the outstanding US airman gave on live air. Just imagine that stunning revelation given by Maj. Stahl who also said he was NEVER INTERVIEWED by the Obama administrations’ Accountability Review Board.

Other details of the ineptness and incompetence of the Obama White House are emerging and include not allowing the FBI to interview CIA security officers when the Stahl C-17 touched down at Ramstein. Philip D. Murphy, senior State Department diplomat to Germany, whisked the Benghazi survivors away to do the de-brief. So was this mess more than mere incompetence? Did Murphy just have to be the first one to handle the survivors in order to reconstruct this horrible tragedy into the pitiful and insulting story line of an anti-Islamic video protest?

Major Stahl’s crew was under such urgent danger as they loaded the corpses of US Ambassador Chris Stevens, Information Officer Sean Smith, and former Navy SEALS Glen Doherty and Tyrone Woods onto the military aircraft that they weren’t allowed...

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TOPICS: Government; Military/Veterans; Politics
KEYWORDS: barackobama; benghazi; islam; muslims
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1 posted on 06/15/2014 8:40:26 AM PDT by Oldpuppymax
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To: Oldpuppymax

Obama/Clinton , Na it’s way too much trouble


2 posted on 06/15/2014 8:43:19 AM PDT by molson209 (Blank)
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To: Oldpuppymax
to quote the chauffeur baggage handler and his baggage....

“Hey Dude..that was yrs ago!”...”So what difference does it make now?”

3 posted on 06/15/2014 8:53:41 AM PDT by M-cubed
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To: Oldpuppymax

As posted by me a while back written by Col “Hands” Handley, a real fighter pilot. Last of the breed.

Betrayal in Benghazi
Phil “Hands” Handley
Colonel, USAF (Ret.)

The combat code of the US Military is that we don’t abandon our dead or wounded on the battlefield. In US Air Force lingo, fighter pilots don’t run off and leave their wingmen. If one of our own is shot down, still alive and not yet in enemy captivity, we will either come to get him or die trying. Among America’s fighting forces, the calm, sure knowledge that such an irrevocable bond exists is priceless. Along with individual faith and personal grit, it is a sacred trust that has often sustained hope in the face of terribly long odds.

The disgraceful abandonment of our Ambassador and those brave ex-SEALs who fought to their deaths to save others in that compound is nothing short of dereliction-of-duty. Additionally, the patently absurd cover-up scenario that was fabricated in the aftermath was an outright lie in attempt to shield the President and the Secretary of State from responsibility.

It has been over eight months since the attack on our compound in Benghazi. The White House strategy, with the aid of a “lap dog press” has been to run out the clock before the truth is forthcoming. The recent testimonies of the three “whistle blowers” have reopened the subject and hopefully will lead to exposure and disgrace of those responsible for this embarrassing debacle.

It would appear that the most recent firewall which the Administration is counting on is the contention that there were simply no military assets that could be brought to bear in time to make a difference… mainly due to the unavailability of tanker support for fighter aircraft. This is simply BS, regardless how many supposed “experts” the Administration trot out to make such an assertion. The bottom line is that even if the closest asset capable of response was half-way around the world, you don’t just sit on your penguin ass and do nothing. The fact is that the closest asset was not half-way around the world, but as near as Aviano Air Base, Italy where two squadrons of F-16Cs are based. Consider the following scenario (all times Benghazi local):

When Hicks in Tripoli receives a call at 9:40 PM from Ambassador Stevens informing him “Greg, we are under attack!” (his last words), he immediately notifies all agencies and prepares for the immediate initiation of an existing “Emergency Response Plan.”

At AFRICON, General Carter Ham attempts to mount a rescue effort, but is told to “stand down.”

By 10:30 PM an unarmed drone is overhead the compound and streaming live feed to various Command and Control Agencies… and everyone watching that feed knew damn well what was going on.

At 11:30 PM Woods, Doherty and five others leave Tripoli, arriving in Benghazi at 1:30 AM on Wednesday morning, where they hold off the attacking mob from the roof of the compound until they are killed by a mortar direct hit at 4:00 AM.

So nothing could have been done, eh? Nonsense.

If one assumes that tanker support really was not available… what about this:
• When at 10:00 PM AFRICON alerts the 31st TFW Command Post in Aviano Air Base, Italy of the attack, the Wing Commander orders preparation for the launch of two F-16s and advises the Command Post at NAS Sigonella to prepare for hot pit refueling and quick turn of the jets.
• By 11:30 PM, two F-16Cs with drop tanks and each armed with five hundred 20 MM rounds are airborne. Flying at 0.92 mach they will cover the 522 nautical miles directly to NAS Sigonella in 1.08 hours.
• While in-route, the flight lead is informed of the tactical situation, rules of engagement, and radio frequencies to use.
• The jets depart Sigonella at 1:10 AM with full fuel load and cover the 377 nautical miles directly to Benghazi in 0.8 hours, arriving at 1:50 AM… which would be 20 minutes after the arrival of Woods, Doherty and their team.
• Providing that the two F-16s initial pass over the mob, in full afterburner at 200 feet and 550 knots did not stop the attack in its tracks, only a few well placed strafing runs on targets of opportunity would assuredly do the trick.
• Were the F-16s fuel state insufficient to recover at Sigonelli after jettisoning their external drop tanks, they could easily do so at Tripoli International Airport, only one-half hour away.
• As for those hand-wringing naysayers who would worry about IFR clearances, border crossing authority, collateral damage, landing rights, political correctness and dozens of other reasons not to act… screw them. It is high time that our “leadership” get their priorities straight and put America’s interests first.

The end result would be that Woods and Doherty would be alive. Dozens in the attacking rabble would be rendezvousing with “72 virgins”… and a clear message would have been sent to the next worthless POS terrorist contemplating an attack on Americans that it is not really a good idea to “tug on Superman’s cape.”

Of course all this would depend upon a Commander In Chief that was more concerned with saving the lives of those he put in harm’s way than getting his crew rest for a campaign fund raising event in Las Vegas the next day. As well as a Secretary of State that actually understood “What difference did it make?”, or a Secretary of Defense whose immediate response was not to the effect that “One of the military tenants is that you don’t commit assets until you fully understand the tactical situation.” Was he not watching a live feed from the unarmed drone… and he didn’t understand the tactical situation? YGBSM!

Ultimately it comes down to the question of who give that order to “stand down?” Whoever that coward turns out to be should be exposed, removed from office, and face criminal charges for dereliction of duty.

The combat forces of the United States of America deserve leadership that really does “have their back” when the chips are down.


4 posted on 06/15/2014 8:57:58 AM PDT by Hulka
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To: Oldpuppymax

Hillary and Obama were up to no good in Libya. Al Qaeda found out about it, and is blackmailing them. Hillary and Obama, in turn, are using the threat of releasing the information on the missing antiaircraft missiles to blackmail the Republicans and the press to keep quiet. And the people paying the blackmail to Al Qaeda are you and me. Hillary and Obama caused this, and then use our money. They might even be skimming some money off the top for themselves.
The one constant in this is Hillary and Obama.


5 posted on 06/15/2014 9:01:35 AM PDT by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: Oldpuppymax

I was at a Birthday Party last night.

Obama is in town Fundraising, and one of the Women there was all excited because she saw The King’s entourage driving through Laguna Beach where she lives.

She whips out her iPhone to show everyone the Video. At that point I can’t stand it, get up and say, “that’s nice, he’s here while the Middle East is imploding, people are dying and he is undoing everything my two Nephew’s accomplished when they served over there”.

I also commented under my breathe that of this was Bush, there would outrage in the Press that he was Fundraising when all this crap is going on. I got a few nods from a couple of Guys standing there with that comment.

The rest of the assembled crowd just looked at me as I got up and walked away disgusted. The Hostess later came up to me and said the Gal with the Video doesn’t have a lot of excitement in her Life so it was a big deal to see the President drive by. She knows my attitude towards The Won.

We see Obama for what he is, people like the Woman with the Video see what they want to see. There are no “OPTICS” for Obama to worry about. He gets away with anything he likes.


6 posted on 06/15/2014 9:05:57 AM PDT by Kickass Conservative (THEY LIVE, and we're the only ones wearing the Sunglasses...)
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To: Oldpuppymax

Nancy Pelosi parody...this is funny!

http://safeshare.tv/w/zJMqpUHAel


7 posted on 06/15/2014 9:11:11 AM PDT by entropy12 (Obummer = worst president ever, thanks to voters who abstained on election day!)
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To: Kickass Conservative

Yep. My Mother prides herself on being up to date on world affairs by watching CNN. I was talking to her last week and mentioned the dead Ambassador in Benghazi. She got really quiet and asked, “When did that happen?”


8 posted on 06/15/2014 9:23:33 AM PDT by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: Kickass Conservative

Its not pleasant to be pi$$ed off 24/7 because of what that commie rat ba$tard is doing to our country and the rest of the free world, is it?


9 posted on 06/15/2014 9:30:54 AM PDT by 43north (BHO: 50% black, 50% white, 100% RED.)
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10 posted on 06/15/2014 9:42:48 AM PDT by Patton@Bastogne (.)
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To: Oldpuppymax
Everything is Optics
11 posted on 06/15/2014 9:49:46 AM PDT by Rodamala
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To: Hulka

For later to, pass it on.


12 posted on 06/15/2014 9:52:52 AM PDT by citizen (There is always free government cheese in the mouse trap.....https://twitter.com/kracker0)
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To: Hulka

Save


13 posted on 06/15/2014 9:57:49 AM PDT by Eagles6 (Valley Forge Redux. If not now, when? If not here, where?)
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To: Hulka

“As posted by me a while back written by Col “Hands” Handley, a real fighter pilot. Last of the breed.

Betrayal in Benghazi
Phil “Hands” Handley
Colonel, USAF (Ret.)

The combat code of the US Military is that we don’t abandon our dead or wounded on the battlefield. In US Air Force lingo, fighter pilots don’t run off and leave their wingmen. If one of our own is shot down, still alive and not yet in enemy captivity, we will either come to get him or die trying. Among America’s fighting forces, the calm, sure knowledge that such an irrevocable bond exists is priceless. ...”

Wrong.

This little item has been making the rounds courtesy of internet re-forwardings. Must be the tenth time I’ve seen it re-surface; it’s always the same, right down to the typos.

Fighter pilots give lip service to not running off and leaving wingmen. Groundpounders are not their wingmen. About such, they know little and care less.

Any fighter pilot who fails to rise above the rank of Colonel is no more than the most minor of players, and the forum would be wise to read any alleged utterings with more than a grain of salt.

F-16Cs are not capable of what he implied. They haven’t the legs to make it to Benghazi without inflight refueling, and they never dash about flippantly jettisoning underwing tanks (their range is far too short for anything except limited point defense). Nor do they simply breeze in to a civil airfield unannounced and take on fuel. Both such evolutions require days of advance notification and coordination, sometimes weeks.

If by some miracle they had actually appeared in the air over Benghazi, they do not have the sensors to discriminate between friend and foe. If they had laid down any ordnance, the odds are less than even they’d have killed the hapless Americans stranded there.

I spent 29 years in uniform, working about half the time in support of the very same USAF outfits and systems this guy Handley claims to know so much about. No one among the lesser mortals can recall meeting him, nor even having heard his name, before this text appeared. As if by magic.


14 posted on 06/15/2014 12:30:45 PM PDT by schurmann
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To: annieokie; penelopesire; maggief; Protect the Bill of Rights; thouworm; SE Mom; Nachum; onyx; ...

Benghazi ping.

Let Republicanprofessor know if you want on or off this ping list.


15 posted on 06/15/2014 12:52:31 PM PDT by Republicanprofessor
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A one and one half hour prep time and a 3 hour and 15 minute flight into the Benghazi hot zone ... Already on stand-by alert for high priority missions at Ramstein Air Base in Germany, THEY WERE NEVER CALLED by the White House!

Obama is sooooooooo lucky he owns the press....

16 posted on 06/15/2014 2:03:21 PM PDT by GOPJ (#2 reply spot RESERVED for Tokyo Rose comments: "nothing works - give up - it's all hopeless".)
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To: schurmann; Hulka

I agree, I’ve also seem it here and on Facebook and not being a pilot, yet been skeptical on the “facts” posted there. One could/would wish it was possible!!!


17 posted on 06/15/2014 11:29:29 PM PDT by danamco (-)
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You should make sure you know what you are talking about when you attack. In this case, you are very foolish.

There are internet rumors and such but this missive is most certainly not some internet hype and can be easily verified. Heck, you can find his contact details and ask him yourself.

I posted it because I know Hands and we are good friends. He is a patriot and to attack him from a position of ignorance like you have done speaks to your character.

Hands sent it direct to me and a few other friends. So, you are wrong to imply it is made up by some guy no one ever heard of or someone with no credibility. You are very wrong. As wrong as you can be.

I will be sure to let Col Handley know your emotions. Better, you should contact him direct and call him on his supposed ignorance. (Or at the very least, be noble and let him know someone is using his name).

I shall also let my A-10 buddies know you think their sacrifice is not appreciated, and in fact, dismissed:
http://www.2951clss-gulfwar.com/a10_combat_losses.htm

I would also like to tell Capt Steve Phyllis, a former student of mine, but he was killed flying in Gulf War I (as noted in the link above)

Are you a fighter pilot? No, you are not. You have no idea what you are talking about, neither do your ‘friends.’

If they haven’t heard of him it is because they are truly not in that world.

http://www.richthistle.com/aviation-articles-othermenu-133/61-rhino-charge-f-4-phantom-viet-nam-war-a-pilots-story-viet-nam-war

Because you and your supposed friends don’t know of him, this means the Dogfights TV show made up Hands and make up his record-setting gun kill.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D2y_B_uFTNw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BPLZazga4RM

In Afghanistan high-speed low altitude passes are used, followed by strafe runs if necessary. Of course you already knew that, serving for 29 years as a fighter pilot and with combat experience flying the jet.

Colonels are top 5% of the rank structure in the Air Force. I suppose you being a fighter pilot that hasn’t heard of Hands and after your supposed 29 years service, that would mean you had to have made flag rank.

So, your ignorance is on full display. Your choices are:
a) respond because you have an over-powering juvenile need to have the last word
or
b) let it go and let thinking people decide for themselves if Hands is a made up character of no consequence as you allege.


18 posted on 06/16/2014 8:04:11 AM PDT by Hulka
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To: danamco

See Post 18.

He is real and he is a patriot and he wrote it. Oh, and he does know what he is talking about.


19 posted on 06/16/2014 8:05:07 AM PDT by Hulka
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To: Hulka

It does appear that you’ve flushed out another sleeper goon working for the criminal regime. Good job, and thank you for your service to The Republic.


20 posted on 06/16/2014 8:14:14 AM PDT by MHGinTN
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