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Right-Wing Christians Take It To a New Low By Handing Out Guns In Churches (Rant Alert)
PoliticusUSA - Real Liberal Politics ^ | June 16, 2014 | Rmuse

Posted on 06/17/2014 4:05:58 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

“A rose by any other name would smell as sweet” is a commonly quoted line from William Shakespeare’s play Romeo and Juliet, in which Juliet appears to argue that the names of things do not matter, only what things really “are.” The line’s meaning is applicable in America in the sense that although the overwhelming majority of religious conservative Americans hate everything Jesus Christ preached and taught, calling themselves Christians and followers of Christ does not change the fact they are anti-Christ in every sense of the name. The notion of so-called Christians exposing themselves as the anti-Christs they really are is being played out in the drive to put more guns in the hands of more Americans, especially conservative Christian Americans; it is no surprise it is being advanced by right-wing Christian churches.

Last month at the Lone Oak First Baptist church in Paducah, Kentucky, a line of people wrapped around the building waiting anxiously to get inside, but not because they sought spiritual guidance from Jesus Christ’s teachings, but to win one of the twenty-five guns being raffled off. One may be inclined to think Lone Oak First Baptist is an aberration among churches purported to be “followers of Christ,” but according to the Kentucky Baptist Convention, handing out human-killing weapons is the best way to get people into church. Last year there were at least 50 “Christian” church gun giveaways in Kentucky alone, and an official at Lone Oak Baptist said handing out free guns is a rallying point to bring people to Christ.

According to Lone Oak Sunday school teacher David Keele, “We’re doing two things here. One, we’re going to talk about the Second Amendment to bear arms. But that isn’t the primary thing. The primary thing is who Jesus is.” The only primary thing is that Keele and Kentucky Baptists lack even a rudimentary understanding of who Jesus was or why calling themselves Christians while crusading for 2nd Amendment rights makes them rank liars and anti-Christs for opposing Christ’s teaching.

The featured speaker at the Baptist gun giveaway was hired by Kentucky Southern Baptists as a traveling full-time evangelist who defended the Baptists giving away guns and said, “if giving away guns allows them to come into the doors of the church to hear that the church has a message that’s relevant to their lives, there’s absolutely nothing wrong with that.” The paid evangelist wasted little time getting to the Christian message that is relevant to people’s lives and told other Christians that, “There’s no government on the face of this earth that has the right to take this gun from me” to thunderous applause. The evangelist even said he believed in Christ’s message of turning the other cheek, but only to a certain point; a certain point that cannot be found in any of Christ’s teachings.

The idea of Christian churches handing out guns, following the teachings of the NRA, and crusading for the 2nd Amendment is not restricted to Kentucky or Baptists. Other Christian denominations in other states regularly offer guns alongside bibles cementing their proud identity as “followers of Christ.” Christian churches handing out guns brings up a larger point regarding so-called Christians in this country; there are very few, if any, Christians in America. It is especially true of the Christian Right that supports any Republican candidate, conservative policies, or agenda founded on greed and inhumanity. It is highly likely the last American to adhere to Christ’s teachings was not a Christian by any stretch of the imagination, but he certainly understood the value in Christ’s moral teachings. Thomas Jefferson created his own rendering of Christ’s teachings after carefully removing every reference to Christ as a deity, miracle worker, or supernatural being in “The Jefferson Bible.

It is impossible for any American to support conservatives or Republicans and be a follower of Christ no matter how devoutly they claim Christianity as their religion. In fact, it is relatively safe to say that if a person calls themselves a Republican, teabagger, libertarian, or an independent and votes for Republican candidates and claim they are also Christians, they are pathological liars of the first order. It is utterly impossible to support any Republican policy and be a Christian, and yet they are the people most likely to claim their religious devotion to Christianity informs their support of conservatives in general and Republicans in particular.

Any Christian that supports the NRA or adheres to the 2nd amendment as the be all, end all defining trait of being an American, they are a liar and not remotely close to being a Christian. In fact, unless a so-called Christian lives in the wilderness and depends on hunting for survival, there is no reason to own a firearm if they subscribe to Christ’s teachings in the bible that all they need is faith that they will be resurrected by Christ after they die; even if they die at the hands of an armed intruder.

One often hears so-called Christians claim they adamantly support feeding, housing, and providing healthcare for the poor, and in the same breath claim their undying support for Republicans; they are liars. The same people vehemently claim they believe in, and support, the Constitution’s guarantee of equal rights for all Americans, and then vote for Republicans passing legislation restricting gay, women, and people of colors’ equal rights. Conservative Christians who oppose the federal government, taxation, and Constitutional prohibition on establishing religion are in violation of Christ’s admonition to pay taxes and obey government authority like a good slave. The list goes on and on, but the point is glaringly obvious; it is impossible to be a Christian and support Republicans on any level.

On a larger scale, it is a near-impossibility to find a so-called Christian of the conservative type that follows the bible they claim is the infallible word of god. It is true they have latched on to a couple of verses that fit their culture of hate, but it is a rare day indeed to hear even one conservative Christian cite one verse attributed to their avatar of light Jesus Christ. The so-called Christians are not even good Jews as part of their storied Judeo-Christian heritage. They worship graven idols like the cross their lord and savior was crucified on, swear allegiance to a symbol of objects in the sky and Earth (American flag), and violate the majority of the Ten Commandments they insist should replace the Constitution. However, it is their devotion and dedication to Republicans, guns, and a culture of greed and inhumanity that informs they are not Christians; they are anti-Christs.


TOPICS: Government; Politics; Religion
KEYWORDS: banglist; bible; christians; kentucky; screed
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1 posted on 06/17/2014 4:05:58 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The seeds of the American revolution were planted in colonial churches.


2 posted on 06/17/2014 4:08:40 AM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Awesome! The crazy went up to 11.


3 posted on 06/17/2014 4:09:11 AM PDT by agere_contra (I once saw a movie where only the police and military had guns. It was called 'Schindler's List'.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Guns in the hand of Christians in Egypt, Syria, and Iraq might keep them alive even if they do not use them.


4 posted on 06/17/2014 4:10:07 AM PDT by taterjay
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
This section is particularly choice:
Conservative Christians who oppose the federal government, taxation, and Constitutional prohibition on establishing religion are in violation of Christ’s admonition to pay taxes and obey government authority like a good slave

5 posted on 06/17/2014 4:10:33 AM PDT by agere_contra (I once saw a movie where only the police and military had guns. It was called 'Schindler's List'.)
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To: taterjay

Nigerian and Kenyan Christians would be well served to get guns


6 posted on 06/17/2014 4:12:23 AM PDT by silverleaf (Age takes a toll: Please have exact change)
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To: agere_contra

He said to them, “But now if you have a purse, take it, and also a bag; and if you don’t have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one. ~Luke 22:36


7 posted on 06/17/2014 4:13:54 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (I will raise $2Million USD for Cruz and/or Palin's next run, what will you do?)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

‘xactly.


8 posted on 06/17/2014 4:25:14 AM PDT by agere_contra (I once saw a movie where only the police and military had guns. It was called 'Schindler's List'.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
All I HEARD was "BLARGGGAH WARBBBL BLAGGEL GUNS BLLAARHDGL!!111!!!!!"
9 posted on 06/17/2014 4:26:18 AM PDT by servo1969
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

2000 years later:

“Bring your wallet, and your ruck, and if you don’t have an AR, sell your jacket and buy one.”


10 posted on 06/17/2014 4:35:44 AM PDT by ExGeeEye (The enemy's gate is down...and to the left.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Enjoyable, but too long, a read to start the day.

This article is circumstantial proof that JFKs leadership in ordering crazies back on the street was bad policy.


11 posted on 06/17/2014 4:38:48 AM PDT by Balding_Eagle (Want to keep your doctor? Remove your Democrat Senator.)
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To: ExGeeEye

I still say that the Marlin Model 60 is the perfect all-around, if you could only own one rifle rifle. Think about it.


12 posted on 06/17/2014 4:39:31 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (I will raise $2Million USD for Cruz and/or Palin's next run, what will you do?)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

What a nut job. Perhaps the writer should let Jesus drive his car and let us know how that works for him.


13 posted on 06/17/2014 4:39:42 AM PDT by firebasecody (Orthodoxy, proclaiming the Truth since AD 33)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

yes,
and does Jesus Tell us to pay taxes re; render unto Caesar? That is does Caesar really own anything .... or does ALL belong to G-d?


14 posted on 06/17/2014 4:50:51 AM PDT by aumrl (let's keep it real Conservatives)
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To: aumrl

Where is that church? I could use a few more guns.


15 posted on 06/17/2014 4:56:11 AM PDT by DaveA37
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

This guy/gal writes and reasons like a 14 year old. I am really sick of anyone under 50 right now. Damn!


16 posted on 06/17/2014 4:57:06 AM PDT by defconw (LUTFA!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Hey Rmuse!

What’s your position on ABORTION?


17 posted on 06/17/2014 4:59:43 AM PDT by G Larry (Which of Obama's policies do you think I'd support if he were white?)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
The line’s meaning is applicable in America in the sense that although the overwhelming majority of religious conservative Americans hate everything Jesus Christ preached and taught, calling themselves Christians and followers of Christ does not change the fact they are anti-Christ in every sense of the name.

Whut????

Seriously ... has this critter been visiting Colorado?

18 posted on 06/17/2014 5:03:25 AM PDT by NorthMountain
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To: G Larry

Rmuse - Audio engineer and instructor for SAE. Writes op/ed commentary supporting Secular Humanist causes, and exposing suppression of women, the poor, and minorities. An advocate for freedom of religion and particularly, freedom of NO religion. Born in the South, raised in the Mid-West and California for a well-rounded view of America; it doesn’t look good. Former minister, lifelong musician, Mahayana Zen-Buddhist.


19 posted on 06/17/2014 5:03:50 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (I will raise $2Million USD for Cruz and/or Palin's next run, what will you do?)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

“turning the other cheek” I read an analysis of this admonition by Jesus the other day. It said that a master would slap a slave on the left cheek as an insult. Turning the right cheek would be a sign of the slave the he should be slapped on the cheek of a free man, a child of God. The libs hang on that one phrase as showing that Jesus was advocating that we all lie down before the oppressors. The book is Jesus the one and only by Beth More.


20 posted on 06/17/2014 5:15:14 AM PDT by Mercat
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To: agere_contra

Romans Chap 13... It does say to pay your taxes and respect the leaders because they were put in their place by God. I have always had a hard time with that one.


21 posted on 06/17/2014 5:15:59 AM PDT by Mathews (Ecclesiastes 10:2 (NIV), Luke 22:36 (NIV))
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Hey... that’s MY tag line.


22 posted on 06/17/2014 5:16:31 AM PDT by Mathews (Ecclesiastes 10:2 (NIV), Luke 22:36 (NIV))
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

It is amusing when those who are anti-Christian attempt to explain their version of the doctrine of Christianity to Christians as if that were what Christians should believe.


23 posted on 06/17/2014 5:16:41 AM PDT by Carl Vehse
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
but according to the Kentucky Baptist Convention, handing out human-killing weapons is the best way to get people into church.

Heck, when I was a little kid, our church raffle had a human killing machine as the top prize. It was called a Chevrolet.
24 posted on 06/17/2014 5:17:15 AM PDT by Dr. Sivana ("If you’re litigating against nuns, you’ve probably done something wrong."-Ted Cruz)
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To: aumrl

Nope, but he inpsired word or God does tell us to pay our taxes in Romans 13.


25 posted on 06/17/2014 5:17:43 AM PDT by Mathews (Ecclesiastes 10:2 (NIV), Luke 22:36 (NIV))
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

the overwhelming majority of religious conservative Americans hate everything Jesus Christ preached and taught,

Who are you to judge me?
To judge other Christians?
Do you know me? Do you know what I do and don’t do?
Of course not. You statements are not from a Christian point of view but from a political point of view.
They are there for meaningless.....


26 posted on 06/17/2014 5:18:38 AM PDT by SECURE AMERICA (I am an American Not a Republican or a Democrat.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Rant Alert?
How about Extreme Hatred Alert? How about Mental Breakdown Alert? How about Danger Alert?
Wow. Sick, sick, sick.............


27 posted on 06/17/2014 5:26:21 AM PDT by SECURE AMERICA (I am an American Not a Republican or a Democrat.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
In the 1600s and 1700s, it was LAW that all citizens of Massachusetts bring their firearms to church each Sunday, and NO ONE was allowed to travel without firearms. A failure to do so brought fines or a scalping by Indians.
28 posted on 06/17/2014 5:39:52 AM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Sometimes you need more than seven rounds, Much more.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
"...Christ’s teachings in the bible that all they need is faith that they will be resurrected by Christ after they die; even if they die at the hands of an armed intruder. "

I must have missed the sermon where He said just let anyone who wants to kill you kill you.
29 posted on 06/17/2014 5:44:28 AM PDT by Telepathic Intruder (The only thing the Left has learned from the failures of socialism is not to call it that)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet; All

The disciples said, “See, Lord, here are two swords.” “That’s enough!” he replied. Luke 22:38

Christ had just given his advice/parable for his followers to sell their cloaks and buy swords because he was ‘going away”. Note that his disciples already had 2 swords. Now what do you suppose ‘Peacenik Jesus’ and his band of swanky ‘peace advocate’ disciples were doing with swords? Hmmmmmmmm.

Maybe a little self defense at work here? A little talked about passage that raises a big obvious question! Is there scriptural justification for Christians to own weapons for their own self defense? It is an important question because it just might make the difference between the salvation of our republic verses being cut down in swaths like what is happening in Iraq!


30 posted on 06/17/2014 5:44:54 AM PDT by mdmathis6
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Boo-yah!


31 posted on 06/17/2014 5:52:11 AM PDT by jimjohn (You don't get the kind of government you want, or the kind you need. You get the kind you deserve.)
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To: Mathews; All

Well then, by that logic, the Hebrew midwives who feared God and would not obey Pharoah’s law to kill the first born Hebrew male children were in violation of God’s law. Look at Christ’s admonition again very carefully and Roman’s 13 will become clear to you. “Render unto Ceasar the things that are Ceasar’s and render unto God the things that are God’s!”

The historical record is full of martyr’s who rendered to God what Ceasar demanded for himself(of those things that did not belong to Ceasar). In your heart of hearts, you know or can know what belongs to God and what belongs to Ceasar. A government can demand taxes but not to the point of open thievery where families can not be fed or loved ones supported. A government can demand that Citizens obey certain laws but not to the point of demanding open tolerance or practice of immorality or to the giving over to one’s children to abusive sexual teaching and abuse(Molech’s modern equivalent).

God’s laws are always higher than government laws and when government breaks those laws, an enlightened people must act to reign in that government lest God come and destroy both that government and the people!

One example: David was tempted and ordered that an illegal census be done of the people. (Now God wanted to punish the people for their inattentiveness toward him). When David did so, David was confronted and given a choice of punishments. The punishment chosen was a plague that was to fall upon the people. Now had the people been spiritually enlightened, they might have confronted David en mass to halt the Census and spare the nation punishment. As it was, David was stricken in his heart with guilt and interceded for the people by buying a property and building an altar and having a sacrifice done in repentance of his sin and for the salvation of his people.

Now I feel I have to issue a warning! We have the evil government we have now because the people have become inattentive to God and his Son. The old testament warns that God takes away the “natural wisdom of the princes” as a first step in punishing a nation if not destroying it. Only a repenting spiritual people have any hope of restoring a faltering nation...and it will have to be done pugnaciously to the point that if we must, we end up divided so that the righteous can live in freedom!

Can American Christians find the stomach for what may need to be done?


32 posted on 06/17/2014 6:21:53 AM PDT by mdmathis6
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To: agere_contra

This guy is certifiably nuts, as in, he should be locked up for public safety.

I think the left as a whole is coming off the hinges, be vigilant.


33 posted on 06/17/2014 6:47:43 AM PDT by Bulwyf
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I just picked up a Marlin SBL in 45-70, I love it. Things go away when you pull the trigger lol.


34 posted on 06/17/2014 6:48:57 AM PDT by Bulwyf
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To: cripplecreek

He said to them, “But now if you have a purse, take it, and also a bag; and if you don’t have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one.


35 posted on 06/17/2014 6:49:29 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: defconw

I’m well under 50 and an extremely strong in your face advocate of freedom. I wouldn’t make such a blanket statement.

Perhaps something such as, “I’m really sick of leftists and brain dead morons” would be more accurate.

Wait, that’s not accurate, it’s only redundant. Leftists and brain dead? Those two terms are interchangeable.


36 posted on 06/17/2014 6:51:04 AM PDT by Bulwyf
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To: Mathews

Yes it does say that, but it also says unless they go against the word of God. You’re to obey God first.


37 posted on 06/17/2014 6:52:17 AM PDT by Bulwyf
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

On any given Sunday 1/3 of our congregates are armed.


38 posted on 06/17/2014 6:53:44 AM PDT by Resolute Conservative
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar

Traveling without firearms these days invites beheading and any and all other atrocities.

I’m about to drive across Canada to bring my wife and kids home. I’ll be bringing my 45-70. I don’t take chances, especially in Quebec, they hate anglophones.


39 posted on 06/17/2014 6:53:51 AM PDT by Bulwyf
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar

Well that would cull out the dumbasses.


40 posted on 06/17/2014 6:54:14 AM PDT by HANG THE EXPENSE (Life's tough.It's tougher when you're stupid.)
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To: Bulwyf

Well if I had a few more like you and less of the “children” I am supervising, I would be happy.


41 posted on 06/17/2014 7:03:18 AM PDT by defconw (LUTFA!)
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To: defconw

I understand where you’re coming from, I’m actually 38, I’m an electrician in the oilfield in Alberta. It’s hard to find good guys who can even just show up, the work ethic and morals of the younger guys is simply appalling.

I do have hope though, every so often you see some kids that were raised right, and have a good head on their shoulders. They are out there.


42 posted on 06/17/2014 7:05:07 AM PDT by Bulwyf
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To: Bulwyf
I know there are, that's why I have hope. Most of our grand nephews and nieces are coming along nicely.

I blame day care and public schools. Drugging little boys so they act more like girls. I could go on and on. I really feel sorry for these young skulls full of mush. Not really their fault. What do they know? They spend more time on "green" issues and democrat social issues and service projects then they do on teaching them to read and write.

I looked at a "college" text the other day. IMHO, it looked to be at the 8th grade level. Parents/students are being ripped off!

43 posted on 06/17/2014 7:13:17 AM PDT by defconw (LUTFA!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

It’s funny watching liberals try to claim a moral high ground.


44 posted on 06/17/2014 7:25:37 AM PDT by Cymbaline ("Allahu Akbar": Arabic for "Nothing To See Here" - Mark Steyn)
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To: defconw

My kids won’t be doing that stuff, I make sure of that, nor will my boy be fed drugs. There will be a body count before I allow that. I had one teacher say he has a hard time paying attention. I said yes, he’s 5 and he’s a boy, and he’s intelligent, and you’re boring him. She acted shocked when she mentioned a prescription and I said no way in hell.


45 posted on 06/17/2014 7:50:18 AM PDT by Bulwyf
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To: Bulwyf
Good for you! Why should a boy be given drugs so it makes it easier on the teacher? Boys need to have hands on activities. Boys can be very focused when you give them something to do. Hell as an adult I fidget when somone is boring me!
46 posted on 06/17/2014 7:54:58 AM PDT by defconw (LUTFA!)
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To: defconw

I’ve been told many times I need to compromise. I said no I don’t, I have principles and I refuse to bend even the slightest. If I deem that something is against my rights and freedoms, I will energetically oppose it.


47 posted on 06/17/2014 7:57:17 AM PDT by Bulwyf
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To: Bulwyf

Then there is still hope for America! Your parents did a good job, and you are doing a good job!


48 posted on 06/17/2014 8:02:30 AM PDT by defconw (LUTFA!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
The fact this “moron” uses the word teabagger in his screed, goes to highlight the fact of how unhinged he is. NOBODY calls themselves teabaggers, that is a really nasty pejorative term from computer online gamers. No Christian would ever use those terms to denote themselves or any others.
49 posted on 06/17/2014 8:41:40 AM PDT by wbarmy (I chose to be a sheepdog once I saw what happens to the sheep.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Those crazy church folk probably hand out bibles too.


50 posted on 06/17/2014 8:57:45 AM PDT by Organic Panic
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