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TX: Twelve-year-old Boy Ignites .22 Cartridge with Cigarette Lighter
Gun Watch ^ | 19 June, 2014 | Dean Weingarten

Posted on 06/20/2014 4:39:11 AM PDT by marktwain


In the story out of Texas, the boy's mother drives him to the hospital.  The deputy interviewing the young man found out how he was injured.  From thevindicator.com:

Deputy Hobson stated that upon interviewing the young man as to how he got injured from the bullet, the young boy told Dep. Hobson that he had held a cigarette lighter under a .22 caliber bullet to see what would happen. The bullet exploded sending bullet fragments through his left middle finger and lodging in the left eye lid.
There are a couple of lessons here.   The first is not to try to set off cartridges outside of a firearm in close proximity to your flesh.   A .22 does not have a lot of gunpowder in it, but it is enough to cause minor injuries if it is in contact with flesh when it goes off.  If you are more than five feet away from it when it happens, presuming that it is not contained in the chamber of a firearm, your risk is minimal.   Surprisingly, the tiny .22 rimfire seems to entail a bit more risk than centerfire cartridges.   The case is very thin and light, and is more likely to rupture or develop enough velocity to be dangerous. 

While we do not know exactly what happened, a .22 case and bullet, being made of metal, transmit heat very effectively.  I suspect that the boy was using something to hold the cartridge to avoid being burned.  Even a pair of pliers or a a few wraps of tape might have been enough to provide some support for the case and make the resulting ignition more dangerous.  I have heard of people who put the .22 cartridge in a vice and hit the base with a hammer.  That is a dangerous procedure.

In another article on fires and ammunition, a source on an Internet forum reported that he had experience of a fragment that barely punctured the skin at a range of less than five feet from a .22 rimfire case that was ignited in a fire.  He concluded that any other cases were too sturdy to fragment.  Here is a Link to the SAAMI paper, "Facts About Sporting Ammunition Fires".

40 or more years ago a fellow told me he touched a match to some homemade gunpowder to see if it would go off.   He lost his eyebrows and burned his hand a bit, but suffered no permanent injury.    Young males are adventurous, curious, and willing to take risks.   We can guide them and attempt to channel that energy; but suppressing it can result in more harm than good.  An amusing web site could result from the theme: Silly risks I took as a boy/young man.

As the "fragment" in question (almost certainly from the case and not the bullet) lodged in the boy's eyelid, it seems likely that the eye itself is not at risk.

Eyes are the most vulnerable parts of the body to these sorts of projectiles, which is why wearing safety/shooting glasses of some kind has become a regular part of most shooters' gear.  

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In my experience, the smartest boys usually found ways to mess with explosives of some kind. The really smart and/or lucky ones kept all their fingers and eyes intact.
1 posted on 06/20/2014 4:39:11 AM PDT by marktwain
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To: marktwain

Primers in a vise was one of my childhood favorites.


2 posted on 06/20/2014 4:42:11 AM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin.)
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To: marktwain

Hey, it’s just a brass firecracker, right?


3 posted on 06/20/2014 4:44:14 AM PDT by The_Victor (If all I want is a warm feeling, I should just wet my pants.)
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To: marktwain

Hold muh juice box and watch this?


4 posted on 06/20/2014 4:44:23 AM PDT by Wolfie
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To: marktwain
And the incident wasn't even preceded by the phrase “Hold my beer!”.
5 posted on 06/20/2014 4:44:51 AM PDT by reg45 (Barack 0bama: Implementing class warfare by having no class.)
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To: marktwain

That sounds almost as stupid as a few things I did as a kid.


6 posted on 06/20/2014 4:45:17 AM PDT by Telepathic Intruder (The only thing the Left has learned from the failures of socialism is not to call it that)
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To: marktwain

A pretty dumb thing to do. A smart kid would have found a way to not hold the round in his hand while he torched it.

That said, kids do dumb stuff. I remember when my son was about 5 or 6. We heard him screaming and crying in the kitchen and holding his thumb and forefinger. Imprinted on each digit was the outline of the head of a bobby pin burned into the skin. He had spread the ends and poked it in a kitchen island electrical outlet that just happened to be right at his chest level. As he stood there crying I said, “I bet you won’t do that again, will you.” He stood there sobbing and shaking his head “no”.

Years later I asked him what in the heck possessed him to do that. He said he saw something in a Science Fiction movie that he wanted to recreate. It was a mad scientist’s “Jacob’s Ladder”.........well, he got what he went for, but it was just too fast for him to see it.


7 posted on 06/20/2014 4:46:27 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: marktwain

Will the mother now sue the store stating that their was no signage warning not to put a flame source under a cartridge?


8 posted on 06/20/2014 4:48:53 AM PDT by Truth29
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To: marktwain

The real question here is where did he find enough .22lr to waste any?

Actually it’s sort of a miracle that I have all my body parts in working order. Speaking of my childhood, it’s also sort of astounding what 6” of copper pipe, black powder, lamp cord and pencil lead can do in response to a 9v battery


9 posted on 06/20/2014 4:53:23 AM PDT by muir_redwoods (When I first read it, " Atlas Shrugged" was fiction)
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To: Gaffer

As long as it doesn’t kill or severely injure them experience is a great teacher.


10 posted on 06/20/2014 4:53:45 AM PDT by riverrunner
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To: The_Victor
re: Hey, it’s just a brass firecracker, right?

You would be surprised at how little respect the 22 cartridge gets. It may not have much powder or a heavy bullet, but that lil sucker will kick that little bullet out at super sonic speeds for a mile or more.

11 posted on 06/20/2014 4:56:25 AM PDT by Tupelo (I feel more like Philip Nolan every day)
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To: cripplecreek
The Myth Busters have done some really cool experiments with ammunition and firearms.

In one they put various calibers of ammunition in a barrel and set it on fire, showing that the bullets don't go whizzing off as if they were shot from a gun.

In another one they shot various firearms into a pool showing how far the rounds would typically penetrate into the water.....

12 posted on 06/20/2014 5:04:37 AM PDT by Hot Tabasco (By now, everyone should know that you shoot a zombie in the head. Don't try to reason with them...)
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To: Tupelo

.22LR can certainly be deadly when fired from the barrel of a gun. But outside of a gun barrel there is insufficient pressure to send the projectile at anything close to supersonic speed. Thus, the “brass firecracker” comments.


13 posted on 06/20/2014 5:05:18 AM PDT by Above My Pay Grade (The people have the right to tell government what guns it may possess, not the other way around.)
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To: marktwain

We used to take cases apart and collect a bunch of powder, to light.

Then we tried this with model rocket engines.

WOW!


14 posted on 06/20/2014 5:11:30 AM PDT by lacrew (Mr. Soetoro, we regret to inform you that your race card is over the credit limit.)
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To: marktwain

When I was a kid there was always plenty of 22 ammo around. I used to throw them on the pavement and make them go off, and sometimes I’d put them in the woodstove.

Crazy as could be, but no one ever got hurt.


15 posted on 06/20/2014 5:13:45 AM PDT by weezel
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To: Gaffer
I was just a little older when I made a ring out of very small linked chain.

Somehow, that combined with the following created a desire to bring them both together.

The width of my finger and chain-ring nicely bridged across those two terminals.

I wore the burn marks from that immediately heated chain for a long time. You could clearly see each individual link where it was touching my skin.

Seemed a good idea at the time. I don't know why. Maybe I thought it would be Green Lantern type of ring afterwards.

16 posted on 06/20/2014 5:15:34 AM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: lacrew

we did the model rocket thing. Crushed a few of them up and sparked it off. One kid got too close and lost his eyebrows and threw his hairline back a few inches. Wonder if it ever grew back?


17 posted on 06/20/2014 5:15:54 AM PDT by Yorlik803 ( Church/Caboose in 2016)
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To: lacrew

Then we tried this with model rocket engines.

WOW!

...and?


18 posted on 06/20/2014 5:22:56 AM PDT by wita
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To: marktwain

And don’t smash blanks with rocks!


19 posted on 06/20/2014 5:28:27 AM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (Pubbies = national collectivists; Dems = international collectivists; We need a second party!)
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To: marktwain

I don’t get why was the police involved at all?

A kid was playing with a bullet like he shouldn’t have been doing. It went off. He got some shrapnel.

Whats it the police’s business?


20 posted on 06/20/2014 5:29:56 AM PDT by envisio (Its on like Donkey Kong!)
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To: marktwain

“You know, you put a bullet in the furnace, that reflects on your parents...”


21 posted on 06/20/2014 5:30:43 AM PDT by william clark (Ecclesiastes 10:2)
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To: Gaffer

“Bet you can’t do that again...dumbass!”
22 posted on 06/20/2014 5:32:12 AM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (Pubbies = national collectivists; Dems = international collectivists; We need a second party!)
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To: marktwain

Flash powder, black powder, smokeless powder, match heads, potassium nitrate, all sold at hobby stores or grocery stores back in the day. And thermite components.

It is a wonder there aren’t bunches of one armed, one eyed 60 something men around these days.


23 posted on 06/20/2014 5:33:26 AM PDT by wrench
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To: marktwain

I’ll confess I did some stupid things in my youth. But dude that was like 40 years ago. :)


24 posted on 06/20/2014 5:38:51 AM PDT by McGruff (What if we bombed our own citizens?)
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To: marktwain

When I was 5, I tried to set one off by throwing it on the sidewalk - even at that age I knew enough to try to hide behind a tree in case it went off....Thankfully it didn’t go off after two throws so I tossed it in a sewer.


25 posted on 06/20/2014 5:38:53 AM PDT by trebb (Where in the the hell has my country gone?)
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To: marktwain

The following 10 items come from a coworker of my dad who works in the lab for a major AG CHEM Corporation.

(1) Burning down a snowman with calcium carbide. The carbide granules react with the water in the snow to release acetylene gas. Ignite it – and watch Frosty go up in flames! This one brought tears to the eyes of the children that created him.
(2) React aluminum foil with muriatic acid. Violent reaction that liberates hydrogen gas (which you can collect in a balloon and ignite) along with hydrogen chloride – an extremely irritating gas. Do this in a closed area and people flee!
(3) Generating hydrogen sulfide in a movie theater. Do this by heating iron fillings with sulfur. Collect the resulting iron sulfide granules and simply add dilute acid to them. Rxn produces the putrid smell of rotten eggs. We actually emptied a movie theater doing this one. Make sure that it is a movie that you don’t like.
(4) Of course – homemade pipe bombs based on sodium chlorate (which we could buy as a weed killer) and sugar. Cheap – powerful explosive, but very dangerous mixture. It is a wonder that I made it through that phase. We blew up everything from incinerators to Barbie dolls. With some of the explosions you could even feel the concussion! We actually created craters with some of the larger devices.
(5) Home-made thermite. A mixture of ferric oxide and powdered aluminum. Tough to ignite – but get it going and the reaction actually produces molten iron with sparks! The pentagon use to drop thermite bombs on the VC. It was cool to duplicate one of the governments tools of destruction!
(6) Fun with stench. Butyric acid is a constituent of vomit that provides the smell. In vomit it is present at levels less than .5%. Imagine what happens if you disperse some of the 100% stuff in a place frequented by people! This is the same compound that some of the radical anti-abortionists where throwing into abortion clinics back in the 80’s. Do this in an enclosed area and you make said area uninhabitable for people.
(7) Nitrogen Triiodide. Make this by pouring concentrated ammonia over iodine crystals. The result is an extremely sensitive explosive compound that makes lots of noise – minus the power. Spread the mixture over a floor and watch what happens when people step on the small particles they cannot see. Even more fun is to spread some around (non-explosive when liquid) on a side walk or garage floor. Let it dry – then introduce the family dog or cat. They go berserk when their paws detonate the crystals. Doesn’t physically hurt them – but the noise makes them psychotic!
(8) Aceylene gas explosions. Take calcium carbide and place in a 2 liter soda container. Add water – then stretch one of those giant balloons over the mouth of the bottle. The balloon fills with acetylene gas. Once full – STAND WAY BACK AND TROW A MATCH. The resulting flash (not so much an explosion) will turn night into day. People freak and dogs begin to bark. We did this one night while camping out in a field behind the subdivision. People thought a plane had crashed. They sent the cops – but we vanished into the night
(9) Molotov Cocktails – not the stupid gasoline in the bottle stuff that moronic hippies do – but the original one. A real Molotov cocktail is made by filling a wine bottle with gasoline then slowly adding concentrated sulfuric acid (no reaction) and tightly sealing the bottle. Then – you wrap the bottle in a rag and secure with duct tape. Soak the rag with potassium or sodium chlorate solution. Now you have the real thing! No need to light with a rage like some idiot. Simply throw it at your target. When the bottle breaks – the concentrated sulfuric acid reacts with chlorate creating an instant spark. This in turn ignites the gasoline which spews flames and concentrated acid all over your target. Rock and roll!
(10) Flash powder that is ignited by water. Mix ammonium nitrate, ammonium chloride, and zinc dust. Simply add a few drops of water and you will get a brilliant flash and fire. Even today – chemists have not been able to explain why this reaction occurs. We used it to start campfires. Simply spread the powder over the wood and add water – bingo a fire! IF you really want to freak people out – stand back and pee on it and a fire will start. Those lacking knowledge of what is happening freak out! Some may even start worshiping you. I did this once at Scout camp and from that point forward I enjoyed respect from the many Red necks that I had to mingle with (all much bigger than me).

It is a wonder me and my fellow vandals and alchemists survived all of this . It pretty much ended by age 16 – the pursuit of Estrogen and fast cars took over by then. I did have some close calls and one trip to the emergency room doing (10). But – I did make it because the Gods needed me to work on Proprietary Products!

JRR


26 posted on 06/20/2014 5:41:20 AM PDT by Married with Children
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To: marktwain

Future Darwin Award recipient?


27 posted on 06/20/2014 5:52:40 AM PDT by Don Corleone ("Oil the gun..eat the cannoli. Take it to the Mattress.")
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To: marktwain
What's so unusual about that?
28 posted on 06/20/2014 5:54:31 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum ("The more numerous the laws, the more corrupt the government." --Tacitus)
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To: marktwain

I actually succeeded in making gun-cotton (smokeless powder or cellulose trinitrate) by soaking tampons in a mixture of concentrated nitric and sulfuric acids. Once the nitration was complete, I neutralized the acids with dilute NaOH, then washed the pulp thoroughly.

The next step would have been to leave the gelatinous mass out to air dry, but I was impatient and decided to dry it using heat ... from a Bunsen burner.

Let’s just say that the drying step was also the proving step, and that all my hard work — and much of my forearm hair — vanished in a flash.


29 posted on 06/20/2014 5:58:40 AM PDT by IronJack
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To: marktwain

Gee, hasn’t everyone done dumb things with .22 cartridges?

For me, fortunately my attempts at making a zip gun for them failed!


30 posted on 06/20/2014 5:59:01 AM PDT by expat1000
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To: marktwain
In my youth I made fire crackers using .22 rounds. You need to exercise the same caution you would with a factory made fire cracker.

Getting close enough to use a lighter on it suggests a mutated absence of a self-preservation gene.

31 posted on 06/20/2014 6:02:58 AM PDT by stevem
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To: marktwain

I did constant homemade gunpowder experiments, none of which resulted in a useable product. Hint: mix by weight, not volume, and use real lump charcoal, not the Kingsford bricketts.


32 posted on 06/20/2014 6:09:34 AM PDT by libstripper
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To: envisio

1) because it was a kid in ER, injured.

2) can we blame/arrest the parent for this?

3) can we involve CPS in this and remove the kid from the home.

4) ammo and/or firearm involved in anyway?

The above are not in a specific order.

There is a LEO of some brand on duty at ALL ER’s 24/7/365


33 posted on 06/20/2014 6:10:37 AM PDT by mabarker1 (Please, Somebody Impeach the kenyan!!!! Once again dingy hairball, STFU!!! You corrupt POS!!!)
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To: Hot Tabasco
In another one they shot various firearms into a pool showing how far the rounds would typically penetrate into the water.....

What was the result? How far will bullets penetrate into water?

34 posted on 06/20/2014 6:12:29 AM PDT by Mark17 (Rudyard Kipling: Liberals be wary, when the SHTF, The Wrath of the Awakened Saxon will clobber you)
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To: muir_redwoods

For me it was match heads stuffed into an empty CO2 cartridge, ignited and then dropped into a 2 foot length of galvanized pipe stuck in the ground. Those projectiles went quite aways. Looking back I’m amazed I lived through it.

But damn it was FUN!


35 posted on 06/20/2014 6:13:13 AM PDT by Comment Not Approved (When bureaucrats outlaw hunting, outlaws will hunt bureaucrats.)
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To: Truth29

‘Keep away from children’ may be on there . .


36 posted on 06/20/2014 6:18:05 AM PDT by ▀udda▀udd (>> F U B O << "What the hell kind of country is this if I can only hate a man if he's white?")
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To: Gaffer

Your appropriate level of sympathy for him reminds me of how I treated my older dog about seven years ago. He’d spent too much time harassing the cat and one day turned up with a 3/4” long and 1/8” deep gash in his nose. I said, “Well, Ulysses, looks like you’ve just learned your kitty manners.” He did and never bothered the cat that way again. Seems your son got the same kind of lesson. Getting burned that way and getting no sympathy, while not being punished beyond the basic nasty experience, is a great way for dogs and kids to learn about the world. That’s why there’s no way I’ll declaw a cat that’s going to be living with big dogs. It’s bad for the dogs and the cat.


37 posted on 06/20/2014 6:18:38 AM PDT by libstripper
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To: Married with Children

You and my son are obviously from the same genetic pool. I still have a blue sink from some combination he came up with. I repaired the smoked ceiling.

Girls, were almost a relief.


38 posted on 06/20/2014 6:25:08 AM PDT by Roses0508
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To: libstripper

It was hard making my son think very hard about what he’d done. After he said “no”, I gave him a close hug and gave him to momma for the big boo-boo kiss cure.


39 posted on 06/20/2014 6:26:01 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: Don Corleone; Married with Children

“Future Darwin Award recipient?”

Or extremely productive member of society!

See Married with Children’s post.


40 posted on 06/20/2014 6:34:59 AM PDT by marktwain (The old media must die for the Republic to live. Long live the new media!)
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To: Gaffer

I gave my boys pocket knives when they were around 4. One of them cut up everything from bed sheets to his Bible. We called him “cutter boy”.


41 posted on 06/20/2014 6:39:40 AM PDT by fulltlt
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To: marktwain

Ever try smashing a whole roll of caps for a cap gun all at once with a hammer on concrete?

If you ever do I suggest wearing hearing protection.


42 posted on 06/20/2014 6:40:50 AM PDT by fulltlt
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To: marktwain

Paul Harvey ran a story that was similar to this.
Two men were driving in a truck at night. The fuse that controls the headlights went out. So they stuck a .22 round in the fuse holder. After about 20 minutes, the round went off and hit the driver in the lower leg. So his truck shot him.

Paul Harvey..................................Good Day.


43 posted on 06/20/2014 6:49:51 AM PDT by Texas resident (The democrat party is the CPUSA)
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To: Married with Children

Dang,,,
or bang!


44 posted on 06/20/2014 6:52:26 AM PDT by Big Red Badger ( - William Diamonds Drum - can You Hear it G man?)
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To: Comment Not Approved

“For me it was match heads stuffed into an empty CO2 cartridge, ignited and then dropped into a 2 foot length of galvanized pipe stuck in the ground. Those projectiles went quite aways. Looking back I’m amazed I lived through it.

But damn it was FUN!”

Funny you mention that. We used to stuff match heads into ping pong balls and wrap them tightly in duct tape. We would go to an empty parking lot at night and throw them into the air as high as we could and run. When they hit the ground they bounced and made a magnificent starburst about 6 ft off the ground. These had to be handled with care though as one exploded in my hands at the breakfast table just as I was stuffing in that last match head. Still have the burn scars on my arms to show for it. Had a hard time explaining to mom & dad what that smell was and why all the burn holes in the linoleum.

Never did it again.


45 posted on 06/20/2014 6:59:29 AM PDT by slouper (LWRC SPR 223)
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To: Gaffer

My four year old daughter did that with a pair of tweezers, no burns fortunately. A year later, her older brother who certainly remembered what his sister had done and knew a good deal about electricity and its dangers, pulled a plug out of an outlet just far enough to drop a penny on its prongs. He didn’t get shocked, just saw a really cool flash as the house went dark.


46 posted on 06/20/2014 7:02:15 AM PDT by heartwood
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To: Married with Children

Better get on home so your wife doesn’t have to open the door to the Homeland Security folks.


47 posted on 06/20/2014 7:03:51 AM PDT by heartwood
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To: marktwain

Just in case anybody is thinking of drilling into a (highly-compressed) liquid-center golf ball to see what’s inside, don’t do it. Or if you do, at least be wearing glasses at the time, like the ten-year-old me was.


48 posted on 06/20/2014 7:05:05 AM PDT by Zeppo ("Happy Pony is on - and I'm NOT missing Happy Pony")
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To: libstripper
I did constant homemade gunpowder experiments, none of which resulted in a useable product. Hint: mix by weight, not volume, and use real lump charcoal, not the Kingsford bricketts.

I did, too. Potassium nitrate, charcoal, sulfur and sugar. Worked well. We destroyed a lot of army men, and ship models.

49 posted on 06/20/2014 7:05:41 AM PDT by TangoLimaSierra (To win the country back, we need to be as mean as the libs say we are.)
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To: fulltlt
One of them cut up everything from bed sheets to his Bible. We called him “cutter boy”.

Is his middle name Lee?

50 posted on 06/20/2014 7:07:26 AM PDT by TangoLimaSierra (To win the country back, we need to be as mean as the libs say we are.)
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