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Obama’s Iraq War Crime: A Missed Opportunity to Transform the Muslim World
Political Kryptonite ^ | June 24, 2014 | Fred Dardick

Posted on 06/24/2014 4:25:02 AM PDT by FredDardick

George Bush had much bigger plans for Iraq than simply killing Saddam Hussein, securing his WMDs and handing over control of the oil rich nation to whatever remained of the Ba’ath Party once hostilities ended. Some might consider him naive, but Bush believed that a modern Iraq, one that respected minority and woman’s rights, one ruled by the rule of law rather than the rule of the mullahs, could act as a catalyst in the Muslim world bringing Judeo-Christian values and justice to hundreds of millions who lived their lives in Islamist chains.

It was an audacious goal, one that would be wrought with peril and sacrifice not only for American soldiers, but for the Iraqi people who would ultimately die in their tens of thousands, paying the price for freedom from radical Islam, so that their children might some day live in a world dominated not by Sunni vs. Shia or Christian vs. Muslim divides, but by economic and political opportunity for all.

Bush could’ve cut and run in 2007, but that would’ve meant handing over Iraq to the jihadists. Even though every voice on the left said Iraq was doomed, with Harry Reid saying the war was lost and Obama claiming more troops would accomplish nothing, Bush, not hindered by the defeatism and cowardice of Democrats, forged ahead and ultimately won the peace.

But it was a temporary peace, a battle won in a generational war still to be fought. Bush understood that in order to show the Middle East that lasting freedom could be theirs, America had to remain in Iraq, had to remain engaged in the political process, mediating disputes between Sunnis and Shia, standing up for Christians and ...

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TOPICS: Politics
KEYWORDS: bho44; blogpimp; husseinobama; iraq; iraqmeltdown; missedopportunity; muslimworld; obama

1 posted on 06/24/2014 4:25:02 AM PDT by FredDardick
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To: FredDardick

I believe he was motivated in getting even for the attempted assignation plot on his daddy.


2 posted on 06/24/2014 4:31:15 AM PDT by DownInFlames
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To: FredDardick

I suppose we could have spent another 10 years sending other people’s kids to war and a few more trillion in debt spending on that notion, but in the end the result would have been the same...when we left the savages would have been at each other’s throats again.


3 posted on 06/24/2014 4:32:03 AM PDT by Wolfie
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To: Wolfie

I believe we should have kept an enclave over there and not gone out unless we were going to destroy a target (and we had a target to destroy). No more keeping the peace, roadside bomb fodder, etc. We should not just have cut and run, like Barack Hussein Obama. However, when we left, without a strong dictator, they would have been at each other’s throat.


4 posted on 06/24/2014 4:36:47 AM PDT by The_Media_never_lie (The media must be defeated any way it can be done.)
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To: DownInFlames

hello, DU


5 posted on 06/24/2014 4:38:19 AM PDT by silverleaf (Age takes a toll: Please have exact change)
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To: Wolfie

how many years and how many troops have we kept in Germany, South Korea and Japan and why?


6 posted on 06/24/2014 4:39:25 AM PDT by silverleaf (Age takes a toll: Please have exact change)
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To: The_Media_never_lie

I think Bush’s doctrine would have eventually caught hold with the majority of people once they experienced the good life, esp the young.

Obama squandered it.

Secondly, and NO ONE talks about this, but we have the best trained military in the world. From time to time you need to test it out, and actually use the weapons you’ve developed. We have battle tested soldiers and weaponry. That alone was great by product of the wars there.

Sorry, but it’s true.


7 posted on 06/24/2014 4:43:52 AM PDT by nikos1121
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To: DownInFlames

Yeah. Forget the other 22 whereas in the resolution to use military force


8 posted on 06/24/2014 4:49:35 AM PDT by digger48
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To: FredDardick

Thank you...great article.


9 posted on 06/24/2014 4:50:30 AM PDT by moovova
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To: FredDardick

The only thing that will transform the muslim world is the return of Jesus.


10 posted on 06/24/2014 4:54:02 AM PDT by ilovesarah2012
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To: FredDardick

During the U.S. occupation of Iraq the rebuilding of the army began utilizing a U.S. model and equipment replacing the old force which used mostly Soviet equipment. Maintaining ties with Iraq would have influenced an army, navy and air force with U.S. weapons and equipment. This would create a dependency on the U.S. for ammunition, spare parts and technical assistance that could have been financed with oil revenues. This, along with a market for U.S. goods and services, could over time begin to repay the U.S. dollar investment in Iraq.

Iraq had a strategic significance for the U.S. because of its close proximity to Iran. A U.S. air base in Iraq would have been a constant threat to Iran and Syria.


11 posted on 06/24/2014 4:58:20 AM PDT by Brad from Tennessee (A politician can't give you anything he hasn't first stolen from you.)
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To: FredDardick
GWB believed he could impose Judeo-Christian values through democracy.

He had it exactly backwards.

Freedom, democracy, & the rule of law thrived in this country & other Western nations precisely because of our Judeo-Christian values. As those values have diminished, tyranny has increased.

The Golden Rule, “do unto others....”, is the basis of our just society. Without it, it is every man for himself.

The muslim religion lacks a universal Golden Rule. It does encourage “fair play”, but only among fellow muslims. All other are fair game for robbery, rape, murder, & enslavement.

Iraq & Afghanistan were & are as likely to embrace democracy as a jackal is likely to become a strict vegetarian. Muslims just don't have the moral fiber to govern in a just & honorable way. Their evil religion makes it so.

I blame GWB for this waste of American lives & treasure.

12 posted on 06/24/2014 5:02:12 AM PDT by Mister Da (The mark of a wise man is not what he knows, but what he knows he doesn't know!)
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To: Mister Da

Bush said islam is a religion of peace. He was either lying or incredibly naive.


13 posted on 06/24/2014 5:03:56 AM PDT by ilovesarah2012
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To: FredDardick

There is but one goal - articles like this that speculate and drive conversation away from what is actually occurring are nothing more than time killers.

The Sunni have been gaining momentum over the last several decades and have planned throughly to rise up and claim the necessary area to reestablish the caliphate. They have established banks, sought out legal and illegal monetary enterprises which to grow their war chest, and have move slower than most as not to cuase alarm. Those individuals that attempted to run ahead and claim the prize for themselves where taken out.

ISIS - AL Qaeda - Hamas - Hezzbollah - are nothing more than the workers laying the groundwork. Even those idiots will be removed once the caliphate is established. Who ever rules that Sunni house of Islam will have an energy resource - but also will have access to legitimate funding.

Iraq or any of the other Arab nations will never accept democracy or become a source of indivudal freedom for both man or woman - it’s about control - and who will have that control - and in the end - it will not be Persian or Shia!


14 posted on 06/24/2014 5:04:16 AM PDT by BCW (Amazon: "Babylon's Covert War" - the Iraq conflict explained in detail)
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To: Wolfie
"I suppose we could have spent another 10 years sending other people’s kids to war and a few more trillion in debt spending on that notion."

I think we should nuke them from orbit...it's the only way to be sure...

15 posted on 06/24/2014 5:12:26 AM PDT by unread (Rescind the 17th. Amendment...bring the power BACK to the states...!)
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To: nikos1121

One of Obama’s goals is to diminish the US military. He leaked his intention in a speech when he said, “like it or not, we (US) still have the strongest military in the world”.


16 posted on 06/24/2014 5:24:01 AM PDT by The_Media_never_lie (The media must be defeated any way it can be done.)
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To: FredDardick
RE:”George Bush had much bigger plans for Iraq than simply killing Saddam Hussein, securing his WMDs and handing over control of the oil rich nation to whatever remained of the Ba’ath Party once hostilities ended. Some might consider him naive, but Bush believed that a modern Iraq, one that respected minority and woman’s rights, one ruled by the rule of law rather than the rule of the mullahs, could act as a catalyst in the Muslim world bringing Judeo-Christian values and justice to hundreds of millions who lived their lives in Islamist chains.”

Delusional.

17 posted on 06/24/2014 5:28:26 AM PDT by sickoflibs (King Obama : 'The debate is over. The time for talk is over. Just follow my commands you serfs""')
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To: FredDardick

I’m tempted to ask why you didn’t post your whole article here as you have done in the past.

But since it’s been four years since you responded to any posts directed your way I don’t guess there’s much point in that.


18 posted on 06/24/2014 5:32:19 AM PDT by shibumi (Cover it with gas and set it on fire.)
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To: FredDardick

“George Bush had much bigger plans for Iraq than simply killing Saddam Hussein, securing his WMDs and handing over control of the oil rich nation to whatever remained of the Ba’ath Party once hostilities ended.”

George Bush never told the American people he intended to spend billions of dollars and thousands of American lives for the purpose of nation building. The intervention was sold 100% on the need to remove Sadaam Hussein’s weapons of mass destruction. During the Bush term in office, the President never once came before the American people to tell them the alleged weapons of mass destruction had been discovered and destroyed, or that the weapons had not been found. Instead, once in Iraq he changed the mission to nation building and tied up the US military in a decade long effort to instill democratic institutions in a 7th century culture with no democratic traditions and a religion hostile to western traditions and institutions.

The founding fathers warned future generations of Americans to stay away from “foreign adventures” and interference in the domestic affairs of other nations. Iraq, like Vietnam, is testimony to poor leadership and a mistaken belief that the US has some responsibility to kill its own citizens in order to force an elitist globalist intellectual view of democracy on other nations.

If our nation had not interfered in the Middle East after WWII, there would have been no 9/11. Instead of tending to our own backyard we supported the establishment of the state of Israel, helped overthrow the government of Iran in the 1950’s, armed the Saudi’s who repaid us with two oil embargoes, invaded Iraq twice, funded Osama bin Lauden in Afghanistan, poured arms into the region, and covertly aided untold numbers of insurgent groups.

There is a reason the Muslim world hates the United States and it has nothing to do with our economic prosperity. It has everything to do with our messing in the affairs of sovereign nations in the region for decades.

The founding fathers were wise me. It is time to heed their advice.


19 posted on 06/24/2014 5:34:00 AM PDT by Soul of the South (Yesterday is gone. Today will be what we make of it.)
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To: ilovesarah2012
Too many Christians are willing to accept other religions as “good & holy”. Yet, doctrine says that non-Christians will burn in Hell, ie., they are evil & disciples of Satan.

I understand that a President must be diplomatic in his words, but to call islam a religion of peace is just NOT borne out by history & current events.

20 posted on 06/24/2014 5:41:50 AM PDT by Mister Da (The mark of a wise man is not what he knows, but what he knows he doesn't know!)
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To: silverleaf

How many soldiers have the Germans, Japs and South Koreans blown up with a roadside IED? That is the difference.


21 posted on 06/24/2014 5:48:05 AM PDT by SpeakerToAnimals (I hope to earn a name in battle)
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To: Wolfie

...and coming after us.


22 posted on 06/24/2014 5:50:12 AM PDT by onedoug
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To: DownInFlames
I believe he was motivated in getting even for the attempted assignation plot on his daddy.

An assignation plot? What sort of assignment were the plotters going to give his daddy?

23 posted on 06/24/2014 7:13:19 AM PDT by Fiji Hill
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To: SpeakerToAnimals

not many since 1945, that’s for sure

how “civilized” would the Japanese and Germans have been by 1950 if there was no Marshall Plan, we gave up Berlin to the Russians, and we pulled out all our occupying troops?


24 posted on 06/24/2014 7:21:51 AM PDT by silverleaf (Age takes a toll: Please have exact change)
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To: Soul of the South

“It has everything to do with our messing in the affairs of sovereign nations in the region for decades.”

LOL! “Sovereign nations”? Like “Iraq”, “Saudi Arabia”, and “Jordan”?

“Sovereign nations” created by European diplomats and the British army?

Tribes with flags is more like it.

Time to admit Americans, with good intentions, screwed up, overestimated the stage of enlightenment of arab societies, and are no longer willing to send our children die to defend invisible lines the British drew through the deserts to partition the oilfields and water sources.

However we should be prepared and willing to preemptively destroy the armies who are massing against Western civilization.


25 posted on 06/24/2014 7:35:55 AM PDT by silverleaf (Age takes a toll: Please have exact change)
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To: silverleaf
Comparing the rebuilding of Europe and Japan to the nation building in the Iraq and Afghanistan makes my point. Europeans wanted to return to normal. The Japanese wanted to return to normal.

Islamic countries want to burn the world to bring the 12th Imam. They used democracy to vote in sharia rule.

26 posted on 06/24/2014 7:38:25 AM PDT by SpeakerToAnimals (I hope to earn a name in battle)
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To: SpeakerToAnimals
remember that after Versailles Hitler promised the Germans not just a return to prosperity, but a chance to achieve destiny. They bought it. One of the lessons learned and reason the occupation of Germany was expected to last at least for a generation if not longer.

After Bush gave Iraq a political fresh start, a power sharing western-style constitution, elections, a functioning economic infrastructure, a $19 billion purged and rebuilt military and police force, and gave Petraeus the troops and mission to gain the cooperation of the provincial and traditional authorities in driving out the foreigners and neutralizing radicals..

obama gave the country 3 years.

the Germans were willing to vote in the Nazis to restore social order, many Russians still prefer the rule of an iron fist, and the muslims are willing to vote in sharia for many of the same compulsions for social order

No saying I have a solution but sharia is just a horse of a different color when it comes to people freely choosing totalitarianism. We are sliding into soft totalitarianism in our own country

27 posted on 06/24/2014 7:53:27 AM PDT by silverleaf (Age takes a toll: Please have exact change)
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To: The_Media_never_lie

“like it or not,”

Yes, very odd. Everything. Every single thing about him is suspect.

I think O’Reilly realizes that he’s carrying the mantle. There are no Dan Rather’s out there, no Sam Donaldson’s, no anybody covering the WH with any energy.

O’REilly too, smell blodd in the water. He knows that this administration is:

1. Inept
2. Corrupt
3. Partisan to the detriment of our country
4. Not capable of protecting us in war
5. On and on and on

I think he realizes that it’s going to get worse, and there is nothing anyone can do about it, therefore he is the guy crying in the wilderness, along with the other FOX journalists.

This IRS thing is the worst. I mean I grew up respecting my govt and the people who ran it. Now I don’t trust any of them.


28 posted on 06/24/2014 8:56:28 AM PDT by nikos1121
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To: FredDardick
Obama claiming more troops would accomplish nothing

Even a stopped clock is right twice a day.

No number of American troops, no matter how long they stay, can change their country. Only they can do that, and few if any of them want it badly enough to stand up and do it.

29 posted on 06/24/2014 10:02:33 AM PDT by koanhead
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To: Fiji Hill

No, against GWa daddy.


30 posted on 06/24/2014 10:09:53 AM PDT by DownInFlames
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To: Fiji Hill

No, against GWa daddy.


31 posted on 06/24/2014 10:10:15 AM PDT by DownInFlames
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To: DownInFlames
I believe he was motivated in getting even for the attempted assignation plot on his daddy.

Assignation plot? Were they going to give him 72 virgins without waiting for the afterlife?

I think you mean "assassination plot". ;-)

32 posted on 06/24/2014 10:16:44 AM PDT by koanhead
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