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1 posted on 06/24/2014 4:25:02 AM PDT by FredDardick
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To: FredDardick

I believe he was motivated in getting even for the attempted assignation plot on his daddy.


2 posted on 06/24/2014 4:31:15 AM PDT by DownInFlames
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To: FredDardick

I suppose we could have spent another 10 years sending other people’s kids to war and a few more trillion in debt spending on that notion, but in the end the result would have been the same...when we left the savages would have been at each other’s throats again.


3 posted on 06/24/2014 4:32:03 AM PDT by Wolfie
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To: FredDardick

Thank you...great article.


9 posted on 06/24/2014 4:50:30 AM PDT by moovova
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To: FredDardick

The only thing that will transform the muslim world is the return of Jesus.


10 posted on 06/24/2014 4:54:02 AM PDT by ilovesarah2012
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To: FredDardick

During the U.S. occupation of Iraq the rebuilding of the army began utilizing a U.S. model and equipment replacing the old force which used mostly Soviet equipment. Maintaining ties with Iraq would have influenced an army, navy and air force with U.S. weapons and equipment. This would create a dependency on the U.S. for ammunition, spare parts and technical assistance that could have been financed with oil revenues. This, along with a market for U.S. goods and services, could over time begin to repay the U.S. dollar investment in Iraq.

Iraq had a strategic significance for the U.S. because of its close proximity to Iran. A U.S. air base in Iraq would have been a constant threat to Iran and Syria.


11 posted on 06/24/2014 4:58:20 AM PDT by Brad from Tennessee (A politician can't give you anything he hasn't first stolen from you.)
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To: FredDardick
GWB believed he could impose Judeo-Christian values through democracy.

He had it exactly backwards.

Freedom, democracy, & the rule of law thrived in this country & other Western nations precisely because of our Judeo-Christian values. As those values have diminished, tyranny has increased.

The Golden Rule, “do unto others....”, is the basis of our just society. Without it, it is every man for himself.

The muslim religion lacks a universal Golden Rule. It does encourage “fair play”, but only among fellow muslims. All other are fair game for robbery, rape, murder, & enslavement.

Iraq & Afghanistan were & are as likely to embrace democracy as a jackal is likely to become a strict vegetarian. Muslims just don't have the moral fiber to govern in a just & honorable way. Their evil religion makes it so.

I blame GWB for this waste of American lives & treasure.

12 posted on 06/24/2014 5:02:12 AM PDT by Mister Da (The mark of a wise man is not what he knows, but what he knows he doesn't know!)
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There is but one goal - articles like this that speculate and drive conversation away from what is actually occurring are nothing more than time killers.

The Sunni have been gaining momentum over the last several decades and have planned throughly to rise up and claim the necessary area to reestablish the caliphate. They have established banks, sought out legal and illegal monetary enterprises which to grow their war chest, and have move slower than most as not to cuase alarm. Those individuals that attempted to run ahead and claim the prize for themselves where taken out.

ISIS - AL Qaeda - Hamas - Hezzbollah - are nothing more than the workers laying the groundwork. Even those idiots will be removed once the caliphate is established. Who ever rules that Sunni house of Islam will have an energy resource - but also will have access to legitimate funding.

Iraq or any of the other Arab nations will never accept democracy or become a source of indivudal freedom for both man or woman - it’s about control - and who will have that control - and in the end - it will not be Persian or Shia!


14 posted on 06/24/2014 5:04:16 AM PDT by BCW (Amazon: "Babylon's Covert War" - the Iraq conflict explained in detail)
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RE:”George Bush had much bigger plans for Iraq than simply killing Saddam Hussein, securing his WMDs and handing over control of the oil rich nation to whatever remained of the Ba’ath Party once hostilities ended. Some might consider him naive, but Bush believed that a modern Iraq, one that respected minority and woman’s rights, one ruled by the rule of law rather than the rule of the mullahs, could act as a catalyst in the Muslim world bringing Judeo-Christian values and justice to hundreds of millions who lived their lives in Islamist chains.”

Delusional.

17 posted on 06/24/2014 5:28:26 AM PDT by sickoflibs (King Obama : 'The debate is over. The time for talk is over. Just follow my commands you serfs""')
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To: FredDardick

I’m tempted to ask why you didn’t post your whole article here as you have done in the past.

But since it’s been four years since you responded to any posts directed your way I don’t guess there’s much point in that.


18 posted on 06/24/2014 5:32:19 AM PDT by shibumi (Cover it with gas and set it on fire.)
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“George Bush had much bigger plans for Iraq than simply killing Saddam Hussein, securing his WMDs and handing over control of the oil rich nation to whatever remained of the Ba’ath Party once hostilities ended.”

George Bush never told the American people he intended to spend billions of dollars and thousands of American lives for the purpose of nation building. The intervention was sold 100% on the need to remove Sadaam Hussein’s weapons of mass destruction. During the Bush term in office, the President never once came before the American people to tell them the alleged weapons of mass destruction had been discovered and destroyed, or that the weapons had not been found. Instead, once in Iraq he changed the mission to nation building and tied up the US military in a decade long effort to instill democratic institutions in a 7th century culture with no democratic traditions and a religion hostile to western traditions and institutions.

The founding fathers warned future generations of Americans to stay away from “foreign adventures” and interference in the domestic affairs of other nations. Iraq, like Vietnam, is testimony to poor leadership and a mistaken belief that the US has some responsibility to kill its own citizens in order to force an elitist globalist intellectual view of democracy on other nations.

If our nation had not interfered in the Middle East after WWII, there would have been no 9/11. Instead of tending to our own backyard we supported the establishment of the state of Israel, helped overthrow the government of Iran in the 1950’s, armed the Saudi’s who repaid us with two oil embargoes, invaded Iraq twice, funded Osama bin Lauden in Afghanistan, poured arms into the region, and covertly aided untold numbers of insurgent groups.

There is a reason the Muslim world hates the United States and it has nothing to do with our economic prosperity. It has everything to do with our messing in the affairs of sovereign nations in the region for decades.

The founding fathers were wise me. It is time to heed their advice.


19 posted on 06/24/2014 5:34:00 AM PDT by Soul of the South (Yesterday is gone. Today will be what we make of it.)
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Obama claiming more troops would accomplish nothing

Even a stopped clock is right twice a day.

No number of American troops, no matter how long they stay, can change their country. Only they can do that, and few if any of them want it badly enough to stand up and do it.

29 posted on 06/24/2014 10:02:33 AM PDT by koanhead
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